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Who agreed with MM starting line up tonight?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Sharples, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. Sharples

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    I have to say I was throwing a few words of abuse at the tele tonight.

    I remember having a discussion with a few other posters about how we woujld cope if we got all three of our midfielders suspended at once, they said to move Foley in there. I hope tonight has proved that reshuffling a team to replace one player is not the way forward.

    Our back four tonight was a mess and the goals we let in showed that. Why oh why if one player is out on the right wing do you not just replace him with a midfielder?! Why move our most consistent defender to right wing and then a lad who has settled at CH back to RB and bring in a fresh left back. Does not make sense in the slightest.

    I hope we get in a spare winger because tonight was a joke. As soon as I saw the team I was happy to take a point. Risk taken. Didn't work. Chance missed. Please dont do it again Mick. Lets beat Blues on Saturday.
     
  2. Taffywolf

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    It was a gamble changing a succesful back 4 so much by putting Foley in midfield. It didn't really work but as I have been saying all season, When Kights or Jarvs is out we do not have quality cover to slot in.
     
  3. dolmanrj

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    Sometimes you have to take a gamble as a manager. We dont have the cover on the wings
     
  4. SaleWolf

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    Edwards should never have started for me. Jones should have replaced him from the start.

    Don't really think Mccarthy had a choice with the rest of the line-up to be fair. We need to sign some cover for the wings.
     
  5. You win some, you lose some.

    Who on here can say they 100% agreed with playing Ward at left back when we lost Elokobi? He's been a revelation ever since, and one of the first names on the team sheet.

    It could have worked with Foley. Against Barnsley, he was bombing forward and overlapping with Kightly so often that it was hard to tell who was the attacking midfielder and who was the full back.

    Last night it didn't, Mick saw that and brought on Ward to give the team some balance.

    It nearly worked. It should have if it wasn't for individual errors that weren't caused by any of MM's tinkerings (unless you count Stearman at RB is tinkering even though he's played most of his career as a RB).
     
  6. ProudWolf

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    I agreed with it, we didnt really have much choice with who to play wide. Ward wasnt fit enough to play much more than half an hour.
     
  7. Pengwern

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    If Ward had been fully recovered he would have been wide left from the start and when he did it brought shape and momentum to our game, which is when we started to dominate; he was awesome. Having said that, Jarvis moving to the right in the first half to take on their slowest defender (who was eventually subbed) produced our two clear-cut chances in the first 45 + several more after the break, including our 2nd goal. Jarvis showed he can play just as well on the right.
     
  8. glasgowwolf

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    I did not agree with it at all.

    I am one of MM's biggest fans, but I thought it was crazy to make 4 changes because of two injuries.

    Gray should have played on the left, Hill, at Left Full Back. That is all that was needed.
     
  9. When changes are forced upon the team, the manager should make as little disruption to the settled formation as possible.

    Yesterday's back four should have been:

    Foley - Stearman - Mancienne - Hill

    Part of me feels that MM was trying to find a way of playing Stearman, Collins and Mancienne at the same time.
     
  10. FLEET WOLF

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    What should happen for the next game is Hennessey dropped. Having watched last night on TV and attended the QPR game, it seems to me that his hesitancy at crosses is unsettling the team. If a Premier League team comes in with silly money, I would be inclined to accept, provided we had another good keeper lined up.
     
  11. Wolves in Limerick

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    I would have started with Collins last evening. If he is playing well, keep him on. Mick took a gamble with the changes, I understand what Glasgow is saying, but we occasionally need to take a gamble. We should be back to full strength for the next game and the players chosen to play will be back in their favoured positions.
     
  12. DJW

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    Last nights team selection was hideous, as if McCarthy was experimenting with how many players he could play out of position in one evening.
    It scarREes me to death what he would do in the Prem, how could Foley remain on left side of midfield for the whole game. BIZARE!
    The manager lost us two points last night, make no mistake about that, and if we are honest the standard of football we are capable of playing would suggest play offs. We are NOT as good as Brum and Reading, i have no idea how we have maintained our lead.
     
  13. Wolv3nsam

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    Have you watched Birmingham this season? The football they play on a week-by-week basis is atrocious. If you thought what we played last night was disgraceful, then you'd be in for a shock if you went to one of their games.

    As for the team selection I advocated Foley at RW as he has been venturing a lot in recent matches so I can see the thinking behind that (and when I did suggest it on the 'Team for Blackpool' thread, not a lot of people were against the idea to be honest). Stearman was at RB because he played over 100 games for Leicester in that position.
     
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  14. The Weasel

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    Very, very, very funny. Cheers for that mate. :D
     
  15. DJW

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    The team selection last night was more to do with keeping Stearman and Collins in the team rather than replacing Kightley. and in doing so he played numerous players out of position. Stearman may have been played out of position at his previous club, i dont care, HE IS AN EXCELLENT CH! Not a right back. The man who is staking a claim for Player of the Season at right back was LEFT side of midfield. You do the maths :)
     
  16. Wolv3nsam

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    Erm no. Would Foley have been played at RW if Kightly was playing? God no. The team last night was to do with replacing Kightly not keeping Stearman and Collins in the team. When Kightly is playing v PNE someone will be sacrificed out of Mancienne, Collins and Stearman. You say 'numerous players' like we had 5 or 6 out there playing in foreign positions, when in fact we only had 1 which was Foley on the left/right hand side of midfield - Stearman had played over 100 games at right back at his previous club, that position was hardly foreign to him.

    Foley was shifted over to the left for Jarvis to capitalise on Ian Harte's lack of pace. This is simple tactics that our fans seem unable to process (either that or they just don't want to take any notice and have a good whinge instead).
     
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    I think you are probably right. IMV the defence always looks best when Mancienne and Stearman play in the middle, both have pace and are quick to cover or recover. With Foley a no-brainer at RB all that is left is for McCarthy to decide ho should play left back.
     
  18. Wolv3nsam

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    As said in my previous post, Stearman was only playing RB because we shifted Foley forward to accomodate Kightly's absence from the team - a maneuver that I advocated myself on the 'Team for Blackpool' thread and a maneuver that not many had disagreed with it had to be said. Who else could we play RW? Keogh would have got hounded as he always does, and Gray offers very very little in that position. Edwards on the wing didn't work away at QPR so I don't see why it would be any different this time round. Last night showed that we have a horrible lack of cover in two positions - the wing and right back.

    Against Preston we will return to a balanced back four. My personal preference would be Foley, Stearman, Mancienne, Ward as we were just starting to keep clean sheets with those as a settled back four. Hill is crap.
     
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  19. DJW

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    i agree that Jarvis may have stayed on the right due to lack of pace in thier team, but he can outpace just about any player in this division and would of been just as effective on the left. Its moving Foley over to the left that has to be the single worst decision by a Wolves manager that i can remember, and thier have been a few.
    Can you remember Foley doing anything of note in the game, because i cant but i do remember Stearman at fault for thier first. Maybe thats harsh, but our normal left back who was on course for PoY was miles away thanks to the managers tinkering.
     
  20. ProudWolf

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    If you actually opened your eyes and watched the first half you'll find Jarvis didnt touch the ball once on the left side and only when he was switched to the right did he get into the game.
     
  21. Wolv3nsam

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    It's no worse than playing Carl Cort and Kenny Miller on the wings with Tomasz Frankowski upfront, or Mark Kennedy at left back. In fact Hoddle playing 3-5-2 goes down as the single worst decision by any Wolves manager in our entire history.
     
  22. DJW

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    i am not to worried about Jarvis playing on the right, but Foley being moved to the left to accomodate this is beyond ridiculous.
    Collins should of been subbed, Stearman moved to CH, Foley to RB and then decide who best to play on the left Ward, Keough etc,
    Not that dificult really, and be honest do you think that would of been better than Micks Brainwave?
     
  23. I have never been a great fan of Collins but he was by far our best defender last night and fully deserves to keep his position for the time being in the centre of defence. I would have minimised the changes by keeping Foley at RB, Stearman/Collins in the middle and Mancienne at LB on the basis that he has enough composure to play anywhere across the back line. If Ward is fit again then problem solved for the next match, but I think that Foley was wasted where he was asked to play last night.
     
  24. Wolv3nsam

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    Ward was still ill, Keogh gets hounded every time he plays on the wing.
     
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    Hope McCarthy's thirst for experimentation has been quenched and is behind him. The mantra should be as few positional changes as possible.
     
  26. PeteWolf

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    I think McGhee's 4-5-1 against Arsenal in the cup semi beats that hands down.
     
  27. Spot on. Biggest game for ages and he left our the three top scorers on the sidelines.
     
  28. Deutsch Wolf

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    I could name at least 30 worse errors by Wolves managers in the last 15 years than last night's team.

    It was a one off selection based on a relatively successful experiment against Derby (Foley played RM for the last 20 minutes or so, to good effect), which lasted for a whole 30 minutes last night (Foley played RM for the first 30 mins, LM for the next 30 mins as Jarvis clearly had the beating of Harte, and LB for the final 30 when Ward came on).

    Get a grip.
     
  29. DJW

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    30 mins is probably stretchin it. My point is that it scares me that he thinks Foley will be of any use at LM (you clearly do) and that that was the only solution to getting Jarvis on the right.
    How many managers bottle the decision when they have two decent players who play in the same position. He must choose between Stearman and Collins (i think Collins is garbage but thats by the by) and use the other as good cover.
    With players played in thier best positions we have a sqaud capable of promotion. Played in positions that are not thier best we do not have that chance. They simply are not good enough when not in thier best positions.
     
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    Foley played at LM (temporarily) because a) Ward wasn't fit to play more than half an hour, b) we'd already made one early sub, making another would have been reckless, and c) it would have been negligent NOT to move Jarvis to the right.

    He won't play there for us again. It really isn't an issue.
     
  31. Black Suit

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    Usually, when a manager has a player that is not fully fit, he starts the player. When he tires, or realises that he hasn't got the fitness/energy, he is subbed.

    If he comes on as a sub, and realises that he hasn't got the fitness/energy, you have wasted a sub. Hell of a risk, really. He looked fine, and played reaaly well too.
     
  32. sussexwolf

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    I often think 'oh ****' when I see MM's team sheet. That said, he does seem to get it right.
     
  33. Kenny-11

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    The way he played when he came on and the energy levels he showed I think he would have been fine to start and play 60-70 mins but its clear Mick decided to give him a rest. Its a decision that nearly paid off as Ward injected some life on the left hand side and linked up well with Foley
     

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