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  1. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Read earlier Gully's Musings from Molineux and he said, and I agree with him, that there was not 1 Everton player yesterday he would pick over 1 of ours. This got me thinking that this really is a complete Wolves side, from 1 to 11. Imv the only position that could be improved is RCB; harsh on Bennett who has been brilliant but I'm sure there are better players out there? This season we have 7 of last season's starting X1 but unless we spend very serious money, which I'm not sure is the Fosun way, I can see 9 or 10 of yesterday's side kicking off in August? I wonder if the money will be spent on strengthening the squad to perhaps give more competition for the first team which picks itself. This is undoubtedly the best 11 I've seen since Hibbitt and co and if they can finish 7th this season this side will probably eclipse the great 70s side?
     
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    Hard to disagree with that from the starting 11 point of view. The bench, I generally do think could be upgraded to give us some depth in case of injury.
     
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    There are 5 teams that have conceded less goals than us. And 4 of those are top 4.

    Yet we need to replace bennett
     
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    Difficult.
    The main thing with Bennett is his playing out of defence. I don't see it as bad just not as crisp and as accurate as the others.
    I guess in time we'll end up with upgrades for most if not all positions, but I hope that takes time, I'd hate for it to happen too quickly and ruin our spirit.
     
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    Sums it up.
     
  6. Canadian Wolf

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    More cover for the whole squad, but besides that it's obvious...get Richards, Hibbitt and Munro signed up asap !! UTW!!
     
  7. Wolves in Bucharest

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    The club will have to sign 2 players to keep the panel fresh and to let players know that they cannot relax or they will lose their place. As it is we probably need a defender for cover purposes though it would be good to see can Kilman challenge/hold down a place. I’m less concerned about the right and left wing back positions with Jonny can cover for Doherty and Vinagre able to cover for Jonny. It would also be good to see if one of the youngsters can cover the forward position. We don’t need to break the bank but a couple of decent players to cover/challenge Ryan and a young striker.
     
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    When we get to European Finals, cup semis and finals regularly, then we can then compare. Until then we're just brilliant.
     
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    It’s not so much the 11 it’s the squad that needs upgrading, we need 2 players for each position. Personally I wouldn’t be comfortable playing any of the subs for a length of time.
     
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    If you think we can go to where we want to be and keep Bennett as a mainstay in the side you're deluded. Your blind defence of him is just as bad and tiresome as Okresh's criticism.

    Yes, on the whole the defence has been good, but it's been far from perfect, there's plenty of room for improvement and Bennett, the weaker of the three, has been at fault at some level for goals on numerous occasions. For our regular first team starters, he's the easiest to improve upon and the most obvious casualty of the next serious investment
     
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    Where can it be improved? In every position. Where does it need improving? Far harder to answer beyond the obvious more strength in depth.
     
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    In the first 11 upgrades on Bennett, Coady and Doherty would enhance us hugely. They've been superb this season and I'm in no way criticising them, but you would look at them and say they are probably playing the way they are because of the players they have around them.

    That said, it's difficult, certainly in Coady and Doc's case, to think of players who would improve us, however you don't want to bring in players who aren't, and those are two positions in particular who we don't have two natural options for in the squad.
     
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    It's going to be difficult, we have to spend big money to improve the starting XI and we have to attract some seriously good players. Bennett will more than likely be the cheapest to improve upon (still £10m+ to get an improvement) but the rest, big, big money. I think we'll have to do a mix of trying for the big signings and doing what Bournemouth do - sign players to be developed and get into the team in the next two years (Clarke from Leeds springs to mind as a potential target). These type of players can come in and strengthen our bench initially but improving the first XI is going to be expensive and ruthless. Could you imagine signing another forward and him pushing Jota out of the team - or even selling Jota to make space?!

    We'll likely see some decisions we're not fans of in the summer, decisions that spark uproar in some cases (if the sale of Douglas was anything to go by!), we just have to trust those in charge - they've done pretty well so far
     
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    It’s a very emotive thing, but you are correct with that post. Those are the 3 positions that could be improved, but would take some decent players to take it up that level. Trouble is, they are the beating heart of the squad, and to lose them could have a negative effect on the team overall. Bloody difficult decisions ahead for the club.
     
  15. MattyWWFC

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    Think people need to realise the next couple of seasons are going to be cut throat. Fan favourites will be replaced. We’re 7th in the league, which means there is obviously room for improvement, even if it is only slight. We need to keep the squad fresh otherwise we’re going to start dropping down the league.

    CB, RB, CM and a ST are on my wishlist. Maybe an exciting young CAM (although you could argue we should focus on MGW’s development) to replace Moutinho long-term.
     
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    Sigh
     
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    Sigh???!!!

    You jump on anyone who suggests Bennett should be replaced or upgraded and have done for months. Name one player in the first XI who we should improve on before we improve on Bennett
     
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    I don’t blindly defend him, I had a right pop at him for that pathetic jump against leicester. Nobody gives boly any stick tho, despite him losing a forward on the inside. Evertons goal on saturday, boly got done and coady could have done better, where’s the criticism there? It’s ok tho, boly looks cool bringing the ball out of defence. If that’s bennets side it’s ‘oooh we gorra upgrade bennett’. Coady was extremely lucky not to be sent off saturday, no one mentions it tho.

    ‘He’s been at fault at some level for goals on numerous occasions?’ Unlike boly and coady then? They have been faultless?
     
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    Stupid question. We should improve on them all.
     
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    It's not about whether we need to replace Bennett, it's about where we upgrade. Sadly, blokes like Bennett who have done nothing wrong really will need to either step up even more or get replaced. We will have to get players who have more strings to their bow than the ones we currently have to progress. Bennett to me is the first one I'd replace because we need somebody better on the ball than he is. And that's not me saying I think Bennett is a weak link because I don't.

    We have to be selective on what we do because of FFP, so imo I'd be starting from the back.
     
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    I didn't say we should replace Bennett but that imo he is the only player who may be replaced next season. If he isn't I won't be disappointed.
     
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    So why jump on anyone and everyone who suggests improving on Bennett?

    As tiresome as Okresh
     
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    Tbh i think it will be harder to keep current 1st team squad together, than most people think. Would love to see only minor changes but-
    Can see costa, cav being moved on.
    If the money comes in then maybe Neves and/or Jota, being sold/replaced
    2 central defenders coming in
     
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    Don't need to, but what position would you strengthen first in the starting XI?

    Even the greatest teams of Man U, Liverpool, Milan, Juve, Barca, Madrid and Ajax had a weakest player.
     
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    Not my job. I will trust Nuno to do that job.

    I just get ****ed off with people presuming it’s gonna be bennett.
     
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    Bennett because he is playing at the best he can get, but that's not a criticism. He just isn't as good in the ball as the rest of the team and it shows. I would still want him in the squad though. Besides, any time he does get dropped he comes back better.

    Why do people want to replace Doherty? Sure he isn't the best defender but he's bloody good going forwards for the way we play. To find better is going to be near impossible. He's been up there with the best full/wing backs in the premier league.

    What we will need is a young player or two in midfield and up front. Neves may move on in a year or two, moutinho has probably one more year here (mgw?), and we are missing a third striker.
     
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    You have got to strengthen the squad in the summer if you want to keep improving. If we finish 7th to improve you are look for champions league quality players.

    Costa looks to me to be the weakest link. We definitely need another striker. Moutinho has been fantastic but you might have one more season from him playing to this standard, I am not sure MGW will be champions league standard in 12-18 months. So you may need another World class midfielder to bridge the gap. Don't forget MGW has only just gone 19. Think about that for a minute. In five seasons time he will be 24.

    I think Sais could be improved. Bennett and coady have been fantastic but how many champions league teams would they get in?

    Thats the real question how many of our players would get in Manchester City, Liverpool, or Spurs champions league squad? When you can make a genuine case for 7 or 8 of them you know we are getting somewhere. We have had a great half a season but we need both a bigger and better squad.

    Next transfer window will be fascinating.
     
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    I can see us over the summer window maybe bringing in about 7 to 8 players who will be of a calibre above those that we have currently been going after. That will be to just ensure no 2nd season dip.

    This summer I'm sure.

    We will buy Jiminez and a back up striker. £50m
    We will buy a CB and a RWB possibly 2 CB's
    We will buy a CM
    We will sell and buy a couple of wingers. Can see Costa and Cav leaving to be upgraded upon.

    That's probably another £100m right there and would probably see us finish 7th again if indeed we do that this season. Gonna then take another simalar window of upgrades to break the top six. Enjoy the ride it's gonna be exciting.
     
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    It all depends on who leaves. Someone could easily come in with a huge bid for Neves or Jota.
     
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    The squad needs freshening up.

    Do we want to do an Everton or West Ham and buy too many players disrupting the harmony? No!

    Do we want to do a Burnley and stagnate whilst not improving our options? No!

    Very very tough job on Nuno/Laurie/Thelwels hands.

    Costa and Traore need moving on as 1. They don’t fit into the shape we play as neither can play central (Cav can) 2. I don’t think either have proved good enough in an alternative shape that benefits them! Maybe keep 1 as we have the alternative shape to change to with 2 wider forwards. So that’s one of them gone.

    We do need another option at centre half ... yes Saiss can play there and has fitted in very well when needed. But what if Bennett was injured and Boly suspended? We need another ... preferably someone who is an improvement on Bennett but can also play the Coady role if he was ever out of the side. Yes Dendonker can play there but do we want to lose him from the midfield? I have been very very impressed with his box to box ability!

    Should Moutinho or Neves be suspended/injured or god forbid both at the same time are Saiss and MGW suitable replacements for 5 consecutive games? Saiss wrong type of player and MGW nowhere near ready (would be unfair on him).

    Do we have suitable cover for Jiminez? No we don’t! Cav can cover Jota in the same role if needed but we wouldn’t Ben the same side if Cav had to cover Jiminez and partner Jota as a front 2. Cav, Jota and then either Costa or Traore can be used as 2 wider forwards if we had to change shape.

    What we need: (in my opinion)

    •Upgrade on Bennett but someone who is very comfortable on the ball and could cover Coady.

    •Cover for Moutinho/Neves who can learn from those 2 but could also step into the side if one or both were unavailable. There may be a time in 2 seasons that Moutinho retires and Neves is brought by a top team. Hopefully by that point a new signing and MGW would Ben ready to step in.

    •A player in the mould of Vinagre to play on the right hand side.

    •Cover/Competition for Jiminez.

    4 players in and then either Costa or Traore to leave. That would keep Nunos squad at around the 20-21 mark which he likes as we have only used 18 players in the league this season.

    Most importantly though the players to suit the positions and ethos of the club/way we play ... not just a player who looks good and has impressed elsewhere. (Traore for example).

    Tough tough job in the summer!
     
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    There are better players out there, but we've gotta be realistic. Are we gonna get a better keeper than Patricio? Not unless we're offering regular champions league football or we're willing to spend crazy money on wages. Someone better than Moutinho, same again, for a mid-table/top half PL team he's as good as we'll get unless we can either unearth a real hidden talent from somewhere or spend massive fees/wages.

    You've also gotta look at this summer as what we're looking to do. We signed Patricio, Moutinho, Jimenez, Jonny, Dendoncker, Traore, plus splashed out to get Jota and Boly. Apart from Traore all of those players are in our first choice, best XI. So this summer anyone we do sign has gotta be good enough to be first choice.
     
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    From that 11 on Saturday and if we consistently continue to play in the manner of Everton/West Ham games I would not like to see any new signing seen as an automatic replacement for any of them. Sure we should buy to strengthen the squad as many of the bench and rest of the squad are significantly weaker but any new signing should need to fight for their place and prove themselves when they get an opportunity.

    It's almost just as important to have the right mix of characters and the gelling and understanding players in the team rather than picking on an individual who is the least skilful as the first to lose his place in my opinion.
     
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    Agreed. This is a point that everyone has been missing. People will be sniffing around most of the first team in the summer. We will then have to decide if we want to sell anyone if a daft offer came in.
     
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    It will be more evolution rather than revolution imo, probably only 2 or 3 to come in the Summer. Think it will take at least 3 seasons for us to be genuine top 4 contenders. Don't think there will be many if any 'upgrades' in the short term, just more competition for places. Assuming we sign Jiminez, then we really need a similar type of player to compete/cover him. The two most likely candidates in the short term for upgrading are Traore and Costa, although Nuno seems to prefer Costa over Cav but 2 out of those 3. We also need a CB, not necessarily an upgrade but again as competition/cover.
    In the long term, probably only Neves, Jota, Jonny and on current form Jiminez are good enough for where we're going, Moutinho is our classiest player but will be in semi retirement in 3 years
     
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    I love this team but come on, it's not difficult to see that every single player could be replaced by someone better out there, they aren't the best players in the world contrary to popular belief. Some need to take their gold tinted glasses off once in a while.

    As @MattyWWFC said, best not to get too attached to some of our current side as within 18 months, knowing the cut throat nature of Fosun, many of them won't be here and will have been upgraded. And yes, they can be upgraded. Doherty is having a fantastic season, but are you telling me there isn't another right wing-back in the entire world who could be better than him? Bennett's one of my favourite players, and he's done a fantastic job considering his obvious limitations, but he probably won't be in the eleven next year either. Need to calm down a bit, yes we're in great form and it's brilliant to watch, but we don't have the best team in the world by any stretch.
     
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    Agree with the OP that the starting 11 is strong.. If I were to focus on improving potential starting 11 positions then I would look at the forwards who could make a front 3 more effective than it was before we switched formation. Having flexibility to play two or three up front AND be as good in either formation would help us stay a step ahead of opposition which seek to nullify us.

    Agree with others that having greater quality in the squad is the priority, and through the natural competition this brings we will see upgrades to the starting 11 happen organically. Similarly, some of our squad will move on either if they get less starts or because they have the potential to develop faster than the Wolves team and play for one or more of the top European teams in the near future.

    Overall though as much as I love this team, we can't stand still. Keep adding a couple of quality first team players each year and keep moving up the football food chain.
     
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    As I said on a previous post ...Hazard, Salah, Aguero, Van Dyke, Kane , Pogba, Rashford would all improve our team as they are better players than what we have
    But, the reality is, we have zero chance of signing any of them, so it's going to be difficult to sign players better than what we already have to improve our league position next year. Most talk is about replacing Costa, Saiss, Cavaleiro etc ...but they are on the bench most of the time
    It's the starting XI we have to improve, not the bench.... it's going to be tough finding the right players in the close season of you ask me
     
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    Moutinho’s legs won’t last forever, not sure if we have a natural replacement in the squad for him, but I think there will be a steady approach to upgrades - probably a couple of big signings in the summer plus 1 or 2 on loan to buy deals
     
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    Ricardo perriera wouldn't be bad at right wingback.
     
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    David Brooks . There's two I think would improve squad. Cost a few quid though.
     

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