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What was the old offside rule?

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  1. Berlin Wolf

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    Luis Figo is one of the candidates challenging Sepp Blatter for FIFA President.

    If elected to replace Blatter, he wants the old definition of offside returned.

    What was the old offside rule interpretation?

    I have either forgotten, or only know the present one, so thanks.
     
  2. Barnet Wolves

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    offside even when the player was not interfering with play.
     
  3. howlin wolf

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    The last change I recall was that if the attacker was in line with the penultimate defending player he was deemed offside. It was changed to make him onside. I think!!
     
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    Does more harm than good....should be binned.
     
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    If a winger ran to the byline and put in a cross, would he be offside if an attacker then went on to score from it? Today's interpretation would deem him not interfering with play but if the old interpretation is how you say then it would surely make him offside and the goal would be disallowed wouldn't it?

    I don't know how the old system worked so am as interested as OP, was this really the case?
     
  6. Lupo

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    A return to the proper offside rule. Great, next can we have Banks's Mild for 68p a can?
     
  7. northnorfolkwolf

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    I haven't got a clue what the current one is let alone the old one(s)!
     
  8. OLDGOLD

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    You could atgue that if an attacker is not interfering with play then what the hell are they doing on the pitch.

    It is a bit like a 'lazy runner' in rugby. The very presence of someone there can distract the eye and therefore although not directly involved hamper the defender. IMO therefore, all players on the pitch should be deemed active at all times unless injured.
     
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    They could easily go back to the old rule - offside is offside. It's up to the individual player to make sure they are onside - an art in itself.

    Most Laws in football are for all levels (which is the argument used against video technology - can anyone honestly say it's fair to to ask a part-time Sunday league ref to adhere to the current mess? Especially with the worst/most hungover player running the line.

    I stopped playing about 5 years ago (I was a centre half) and I can't remember any "not interferring" rubbish then!
     
  10. Taffywolf

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    Common sense is needed and agree to make it simpler. If your goal side when the ball is played you're off side even if it ain't passed to you.
    If a player shoots and you're in an offside position in front of goal, you're offside
     
  11. Jonzy54

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    For years I have maintained a simple solution that could be easily implemented and be governed by cameras as back up if required.
    Have a dotted line from the penalty area to the touchline.A fixed camera could be positioned there if required.If you are in that zone and there is only one defender or the goalkeeper behind you when the ball is played you are offside.It would stretch the play,be definitive in its interpretation ,clear to the fans and would not be reliant on whether a player is interfering with the eye line of the keeper or seeking to gain an advantage.
    It was trialled in Scotland years ago and would be so simple to implement particularly with the advent of goal line technology cameras.
     
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    'Seeking to gain an advantage by being in an offside position' is how I remember interference. If that was the rule now there would be more offsides given. Gave up refereeing a few years ago so not sure what the rule book currently states. Jonzy?
     
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    Totally agree. Take the Rooney goal again, you can't tell me the keeper would have made such a mess of it had Rooney not been stood 4 yards away. It's ridiculous for the law to conclude he wasn't interfering.
     
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    Just to broaden the discussion what do people think would happen if there was no offside rule? It would be interesting to play a game with no offside to see the outcome - I have no idea whether this would promote attacking football, make the game more defensive or just plain would not work?
     
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    I would stick a big target man up front and tell him never to move more than 25 yards from the goal line. It would stop midfield stalemates but not promote good football IMO.
     
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    That still isn't a million miles away but then add in being active in phase 1 and only if a part of your body is off that can legitimately score a goal and it is simple:D
     
  18. Tony

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    The offside rule was originally used to prevent 'goal hanging'. Waggy used to stand off the pitch so that he didn't get caught offside.
     
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    The not interfering rule is a good one in principle, imagine this
    Wolves are breaking, the ball is played forward to Dicko who holds it up then lays it back to Price and with a magnificent first time pin point lofted ball plays it into the path of Sako who slams the 25 yard volley off the underside of the bar and in.
    And then it's disallowed because Van La Parra was 1 yard ahead of the last defender, on the opposite side, 20 yards from the nearest opposition

    Truly not interfering makes sense to me. Goals like the first Man United one against Preston where Rooney was in the keeper eyeline and moved out of the way to avoid touching the ball is where the problems come. Because that is interfering. In the heat of the moment the keeper can't tell if he's level or offside or what, he has to position himself to save a Rooney shot. But in the first Wolves example it'd be crazy to chalk that off when RVLP hasn't had, and was never going to have, any involvement.
     
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    Ok, Edwards miscontrols a simple pass and it rolls through to Leon Clarke who is clean through, but because he'd never score is that really interfering? :p
     
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    My football-crazed uncle used to tell me that in the old days in Mexico, there used to be no offside rule during matches, and there was a position called "caza-gol" or goal hunter. He would hang around the goalkeeper and pretty much bang the goals in.
     
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    Natural order is restored :D
     
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    You're not allowed to leave the field of play without the consent of the referee.

    You must first raise your arm and say "Sir, may i go for a poo please?"

    And he'll reply

    "No... You should have gone at half time, you'll have to nip it off or ill give you a yellow"

    The 2 men would shake hands and play would continue.
     
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    Ewww! :eek:
     
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    As I remember the old rule (the one used in the 80s) is in your Wolves example the Wolves goal would have stood because VLP was clearly not interring with play. It's the latest incarnation of the rule with phases of play and the Rooney example above because he made no effort to play the ball that have screwed things up. Why keep things simple when you can over-complicate them?
     
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    I think interfering with play was always part of the rule. Level was offside not as now. Standing in front of the goalkeeper was considered interfering with play even if you are Wayne Rooney.
     
  28. bigbluewolf

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    Let's go back to the 'old' offside rule as there was never any controversy with it... yeah right.

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    It didn't used to be .Even up to the 70's if you were off you were off.
    John McAlle scored his only 'goal' against the Baggies but it was chalked off.
    Waggy took a corner on the right and pulled it back and he hit it from 30 yards but was disallowed because someone was standing on the far touch line.
     
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  30. It would be a good idea to explain the rule to players.

    Defenders throw their hands up claiming offside for about 75% of the goals scored!

    The non interfering rule is reasonable but that Rooney incident was a joke.
     
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    As the great manager Clough once said (or very similar) if you're not interfering with play why are you on the pitch.
     
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    Great great great Manager,
    My avatar was another of his sayings.Met him several times-total legend.
     
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    This really was the case. Also, you could pass back to the goalie and he could pick it up. With his hands!!!
     
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    As opposed to picking it up with???
    His Willie????:D
     
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    Always thought it was Jack Charlton that said that
     
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    Danny Blanchflower was the first person I heard say this.
     
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    I'll ask the wife :D
     
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    We used to call them goal hangers at my old school. We still had off-side though, it was just up to the opposition to police the goal hanger. I vividly remember being punched in the cajones by a goal keeper, which didn't prevent me from scoring, but definitely left me black & blue in the nether regions & feeling rather faint
     
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    I don't think the offside rule as it is has that much wrong with it, phases of play and interfering are both set up to make the game flow better, the issue is there needs to be more common sense applied to it.
     
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    I agree but everyones common sense is different, even with the laws refs are not supposed to use common sense anymore but you can see many different 'interpretations' all the time.

    common sense or interpretion?
     
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