Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by JOSWolf, Mar 19, 2015.
Pulled himself out of u21 squad and doesn't want to play for them in the
summer tournament. Bye Tom!
Sadly an attitude shown by others before Ince.
He might have very good reasons but if so at least say so.
My opinion's the same as when players decide to retire from international football. It's the $$$$ing manager's decision if you play or not not yours you, arrogant little $$$$$$$
Very good point Dews but it must be nice for a manager to at least know the players he chooses are committed to the cause as such.
If Ince can't be bothered and at least come up with a very good reason as to why he has made this decision then sod him. Mark his card and make sure he never plays international football again. Simple and harsh but sends out a message.
What a $$$$$. Bugger him.
Being at Derby that may well have already happened.
headsgone did the same with the jocks cant recall him getting slagged off
I don't see the problem with it, perhaps he's being very honest with himself.
He might kill his international career by declaring for England and then never being good enough...lets face it, England have had a habit of giving out U21 caps like confetti to tie up players for life and then not picking them any further.
We also have a habit of shoehorning in players from top 6 Premier teams under political pressure irrespective of that being the best "team" we could make...and we're not successful.
Ince might be marking his own card by taking an England cap, and then never playing international football again.
The world has become a much smaller place over the last 20 years and international transferring of sporting people is becoming the norm. It's just like choosing to work in another country to do the best for yourself, everyone has freedom of choice.
Each to their own blah blah but he is in theory refusing to play for his country. Whilst I understand the point you make about small world I'm certain that if ever I'd have been good enough to represent England at anything I'd have leapt at the chance and with no disrespect meant to any other country would never ever offer my ability elsewhere.
To me his decision shows a level of disrespect, lack of interest and is disingenuous but that's my view and as I say each to their own.
He may, as I've said, have a very good reason but if so I feel it would be better to say.
I hate it when players turn their back on England with the retiring $$$$, i love it when they retire just when they know they're in the process of getting replaced in the team.
I think he's making a mistake especially at his age, does he deep down think he's too good for u21s i wonder. I think he needs a reality check if thats the case, in general his attitude doesn't seem the best either.
Who's his competition for a place by the way?
Guessing Afobe might just well be in the squad
sounds a bit full of himself... probably got that from his dad
The whole concept of "country" is different in a changing multicultural world and with multinational business ruling everything we do, we're quite happy to support an American phone company manufacturing in China but selling to us from Ireland and paying us no tax.
The likes of the "Buy British" campaigns have been consigned to the bin because when it came to the crunch, we ignored it and did whatever the hell we liked or could have ended up with a Mini Metro instead of a Toyota.
Even our own Government is powerless but happy to see this happen, and when we're dead and buried, what we think now will be consigned to the history books of "how we used to live" as just restrictive.
Notts are nicking a Zimbabwean who only played in the World Cup last week to play cricket classed as an "Englishman" because of the Kolpak ruling on freedom of trade for countries with European trade agreements.
We use it to try and nick Pacific Islander rugby players away from NZ and the Aussies, and then try and make them into Englishmen. The players themselves see it as nothing more than trade restriction, no country cares what they do anymore.
It will become a lot more common, your country doesn't actually need you at all and would gladly swap you for an immigrant who can contribute more. Our football teams do this all the time!
If you decide to look after your own interests in these circumstances, exactly who are you "disrespecting" ?
Lets face it, Tom Ince is only talked about because his dad is Paul Ince, nobody would give a toss if his name was John Smith and had messed around in the Championship for 4 years..
Seems the worlds gone mad BlahBlah.
I seem to recall David Bentley pulling out the u21,s for a major summer tournament and we all know how his career ended up.
Because that worked in our favour of course...
It's been mad for a few years now and it's getting madder. Old rules don't apply anymore, everything is up for grabs these days.
You know when you were at school and read about how people lived in the 1940's and we felt smug that we were so clever and modern and had invented all these "things" to make our lives easier.
People are going to look back at us in a few years as if we were living in a black and white movie.
I guess when we get to the point of rejecting change it's the tipping point when we lose the plot and transition into the same people we thought our grandparents were. It didn't make them wrong, it just made them old. Sobering thought :dong:
(In the tone of Harry Enfield)
I would say , "Oi Ince, see you next Tuesday !
It's not as if he has played many games until recently this season
A Â£15 million 5 year contract and retired at 29 to run a restaurant in Marbella.
Where did it all go wrong eh. We'd kill for a career like that.
There are people out there who don't follow the established rules, they normally end up quite happy because they were happy with themselves already.
The way Ince has run his career suggests that he's in control of his own destiny, all those transfers he turned down to carry on playing and learning his trade on his own terms? Unfashionable moves and leaving Liverpool because he'd be stuck in the stiffs?
Let's not forget when his dad went to Italy everybody laughed and said he'd never fit in with his style of play, but he went to prove a point to himself.
How many other British and Irish have had the guts to leave their comfort zone and try and crack Italian football? A handful in 40 years, Liam Brady, Wilkins, Hateley, Ince?
He should never play for England again.
I remember Chris Sutton doing similar and at the time I saw his point......then I heard what Ian Wright had to say, something along the lines of "It's "England" you play whatever even if it's the 9th team playing down the tip, you play" Never had time for Roy Keane really and especially after the Mick spat. Or that $$$$ing $$$$$ Sol Campbell.
I ended up with a Mini Metro
I remember it, which is more than I probably would if I'd had a Toyota.
Tom Ince, a quick Google search shows, drives a Porsche. Maybe he will play for Germany.
Not sure what my point is.
I don't see the problem. He doesn't want to play. So sombody who does will.
His Career has stalled in league football so if he wants sako to concentrate on that then fair enough. It's a bloody under 21's tournament. Only point is to groom young players for the national team. He is a tal player but will never make it in the first team.
Just another example of the attitude towards the national squad, I'd imagine many of the other top nations will be filled with talented youngsters thrilled to get the chance to represent their country and use the opportunity to stake a claim for the first team where as ours will be off sunning themselves in 'marbs' as its 'beneath' them.
It should be an honour to represent you country at any level but that lack of patriotism is something affecting our society in general not just within football.
Personally if I was in charge at the FA I'd make it so that any player that refuses an u21 call up without good reason ie medically will never be allowed to play for the full team, likewise someone who turns down a full England game.
It's about time someone gave these pampered England players a kick up the $$$$, none of them are remotely good enough to be picked on ability alone and it's about time they were dropped in favour of lesser talented players that are willing to give their all and have that passion.
If we had the Germans set up and u21s development was properly integrated with the full squad then I'd understand the abuse Ince is getting. However we haven't. Playing in an u21 tournament means nothing these days, theres no incentive as the whole set up is a mess thanks to our joke of an fa. Players know the only way to break into the senior squad is by playing in the top league, not u21 tournaments.
I tend to agree, but the Jamie Carragher scenario stands out, years of being a squad player ahead of him but barely getting a kick.
Dont pick him again simple anyone who refuses to represent their country shouldnt be allowed to play for the national team again, the youngsters of today are just full of themselves and all they see is Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£
Very foolish indeed.
I hope his career goes backwards, starting tomorrow night.
Seems a fashionable thing these days. Hopefully his dad will have a word.
I had one too. It came with a gallon of hydraulic fluid so i could get the suspension pumped up every month when it dropped itself. Happy days
It was a pile of $$$$ though, even the bloke who sold it me used to joke about it.
Paul is saying the same as me. Focus on his club career. He won't get any further playing for the under 21s. Needs to get back to form playing league football and try and get playing in the premiership.
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