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The difference between WBA & Wolves

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by reanswolf, Jan 31, 2015.

  1. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    This may be unfair, and infact impossible to prove, but I do feel moments like this, with Sako "apparently" prepared to stay the rest of the season, should really be maximised.

    We are within touching difference of the playoffs, and we now need to be ruthless and ambitious in the remaining couple of days of this transfer market IMO. Its a great opportunity in what is a poor divission.

    I do feel that Jeremy Peace recognises moments of opportunity. He sacked Irvine ruthlessly, clearly with Pulis tapped up. He obviously paid Lescott over the odds to come to Albion. He moves quickly to address mediocrity.

    I just feel that this 'consolidation' thing is at this point not a good target. At the start of the season yes, but you need to be flexible and re-adjust constantly. We know without Sako that offensively we are pretty poor. I think it would create a real boost to the club, players and fans to get at least one more quality player in. ALthough we seem to have struggled with bringing players in the last few windows we know this can be done. I think the slowness of activity on the Wolves front is more a reflection of Wolves than anything else. Not asking necessarily for millions to be spent, but we do need to bring in a quality energetic box to box or attacking midfielder. Our central midfield at present pass well but have no ability to stretch defences. We know that.

    Come on Wolves, show some ambition. These next two days could really affect and shape our future over the next 3-4 seasons. We need to be progressive!! It is that sort of foresight that is required to be a successful club, not a safety first mentality.
     
  2. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    Agree with the sentiment and that this is a real window of opportunity for us. Afobe was a real step in the right direction (and up until the Forshaw deal, the most expensive Championship transfer so far in the window). Another two quality players (even on loan) could make all the difference (although I'm sure that a number of other clubs are saying the exact same thing!)

    I personally think Albion have been run pretty shambolically themselves over the last 18 months with the appointments of Mel and Irvine and a transfer policy which included Anelka and Ideye. Pulis is a really sensible appointment though and they were starting from a position of relative strength due to the work of Hodgson (another ruthless decision which worked out extremely well for them).
     
  3. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

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    Like Tring I agree with the sentiment. However -mediocrity. Irvine? Mel? The £10m Nigerian? Hmm.!
     
  4. NewarkWolf

    NewarkWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Well all 3 were pathetically out of depth
     
  5. WS10Wolf

    WS10Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season 2013-14

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    I think either way the club are taking a risk. Consolidation sounds sensible, but there's no way now, January, of predicting how next season will pan out. Who's to say that the three teams who get relegated won't use their parachute payments to pretty much ringfence the top of the League next season? Will happen at some point, fairly sure of that. The League is always very close, so the argument that it's a poor League doesn't necessarily wash with me, it's always a tight, competitive League.

    Similarly, there's no guarantee either that signing two or three players in the next 48 hours will make us dead certs for promotion/play-offs. Sure, adding a bit of quality to the current squad would improve the chances of that happening. The current squad aren't doing too badly though, so equally you could suggest that we've got a chance of reaching the play-offs without adding anyone to the squad. It's a tough one for the board, either way they're gambling.
     
  6. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

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    Absolutely. Reans insinuates they don't do
    Mediocrity. They certainly do.
     
  7. goldeneyed

    goldeneyed Just doesn't shut up

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    Well can we have a dose of their mediocrity in the Premiership please. I also agree with the sentiments of the OP but yes in the last 18 months up to the Pulis appointment they seemed to have been making a mess of things. But they will stay up again this year and every year they do so the coffers overflow with TV money again and they can reinvest in the team etc. The truth is even with recent wobbles they are miles ahead of us which is hard to take but a fact.

    As has been said above, failing to push for promotion and settling for a 7th/8th spot this season is a very risky strategy especially as it means we will lose our best player in the summer and possibly one or two more. We have one parachute payment left I think and although Doyle and Johnson's wages will disappear off the payroll the club will remain on a tightrope financially and highly unlikely to strengthen the first team substantially. If the better players, including the likes of Iorfa, cotton on that the club are happy to coast they will want to move on.

    While it is naive to expect a spending splurge this January the addition of only Akobe (6 months late) is a pretty pathetic effort. I was hoping for the signing on loan at the very least of a talented No.10 - Lingard was favoured by many and I can't see why Nick Powell couldn't have been looked at on loan also. Not sure where Pritchard is contract wise with Spurs but surely someone we could go for at some point.

    Just one signing like that would give everyone a boost and help us have more of a chance of a top six position. And then who knows? But I have to say the club are pretty thick when it comes down to the potential psychological effect of their actions or inactions on supporters and players alike. Somehow there is always a falling short at crucial moments.

    Peace at Albion, as has been said, seems to pick up danger signals quite quickly and then acts. Pulis is an astute appointment and although they have made one or two dud signings they can afford it because by staying up season after season they are building up the kind of financial muscle which we can only dream of at the moment. Overall my feeling from the Wolves perspective is simply, what a pity. This season looks like being yet another wasted opportunity. But we have another 48 hours or so to see if something emerges on the transfer front.
     
  8. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Would a couple of decent signings improve our chances of promotion/playoffs? Clearly but there are no guarantees.
    Are Albion a wonderfully well run club? No, they made a fantastic appointment with Hodgson but otherwise survive with a new manager bounce each year. It's still quite possible (though I wouldn't put my money on it) that we could be in a higher league next year! Would that make us the better run club?
     
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    I liked the feeling of continuity they had developed with director of football as they have made some duff choices of manager (like us) but managed to over come this and resist the idea that they are in a crisis.
    There overall management of club seems to be more professional and generally seem ahead of us in current playing style.

    I think things have approved at Wolves and there seems to be a strategy again of trying to build through academy and younger players with potential.I think there is more realism in supporters expectations and understanding that players will always be sold or moved on at times to help balance the books.West Brom seem to manage this quite successfully over a number of years.
     
  11. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    We had a poor summer transfer window......I am talking did we strengthen first team....

    We have signed Afobe.....good cover for Dicko......


    Have we actually strengthened first team?

    We need a couple og good signings.....you know it, I know it......it wouldn't happen

    Lack of ambition
     
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    absolutely spot on reans.
    the annoying thing is that we are in touching distance of the play-offs.
     
  13. Tony

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    Could somebody tell me what the $$$$ Albion have got to do with Wolves? Why does Reans always compare us to them? I never even want to think about them yet alone have my memory jogged by Reans. Thanks!
     
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    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Irvine & Mel were probably no worse than our best manager of the past 20 years, its all relative.

    At least he didnt appoint Downing for anything more than a caretaker role, unlike us and TC.
     
  16. Space Wolf

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    Keith Downing looked like Jose Mourinho compared to TC.
     
  17. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    Albion will take a punt on players but since their head of recruitment left the evidence is the signings lately have not been great. Albion have more money to take a punt with,courtesy of the league they are in.

    Thinking back didn't they pretty much get promotion by holding onto the core of the team that had got them relegated previously? I could be wrong. I don't think you can compare this Wolves team to the Albion team that got promoted, although that's our fault due to the disastrous Stale / Saunders season.
     
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    imho wolves dont have the cash at the moment to spend on players to take them to the next level.
    personally i think wolves are trying to find hidden gems from lower leagues and bring on younger players they can get from other teams likes of Afobe, Dicko etc.
    this way if they find a gem they can sell them for a good profit and reinvest the money into new players or the club hence why theres a new academy been built.
    i dont think you will see wolves spunking money all over the place until they are an established premier league team.
    they got their fingers burnt with the likes of ohara and johnson to name two so are looking at a new strategy in bring in new players to the club.
    plus youngsters will be on lower wages.
     
  19. Dougan was king

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    Where do clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth get the money to bring in players
    Every window is the same we do nothing,considering we are supposed to have this excellent
    Scouting network ,look at our last 2 loan signings Sagbo and Graham really went well
    I don't think we have any ambitions other than to tread water.
     
  20. Tring Wolf

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    Brentford from selling Forshaw. Bournemouth from a billionaire owner (and a 30% sell-on clause from the Lallana deal).
     
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  21. Wolves in Limerick

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    When signing players one has to be careful not to upset the internal cohesion of the club also. If reports are to be believed the signing of Roger Johnson did nothing for internal cohesion.
     
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    I think you are right. It is also pertinent that many of us wanting money to be spent now are also the ones who ewere happy with the RJ and O'Hara signings and yet now moan about how silly we were to spend what w did on them and their wages.

    If whatever the board and team do works then we are all happy. If it doesn't the board lack ambition blah blah blah. I am as guilty as the next fan . I think we need a forward thinking cm and a left sided player, but I also appreciate the club can't win. Spend the money and it goes well and great Spend the money and it goes wrong and its why did we buy x and y, what does them well get paid for etc.
    Meanwhile of course the club wants results with the minimum spent, which is financially sound. But with the look of the division this season, a little bit of ambition could tip the balance
     
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    Completely agree OG. We all love to moan at things we perceive to be failures on the club's part (even though we don't have all the facts), but forget when it goes right.
     
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    Poor senior (Morgan & Moxey) management decisions imho.

    The gang of how many? wages on players whose sole intent was to reap the reward from a pre written contract, the hardball stance of M&M dividing the clubs fanbase, money wasted.

    KJ has been a revelation but we WERE in the old division 3 remember just last season, the board show no ambition, the rhetoric of young and youthful being a cheap option to realise the premiership dream.

    It is my theory that we will get there and then get relegated immediatly, Morgan will spend the parachute money on the NEW Steve Bull stand and promotion back the the premiership will be ours, Im looking at a 4 year timespan, starting now.
     
  25. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    And this is the critical line , irrespective of the past and wages and money spent - its all about recognising and interpreting the future opportunity, not what mistakes or what money has been spent in the past.

    Unfortunately too much of the boards and our fanbases thinking is shaped directly by the immediate past history.
     
  26. Leigh72

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    About £80million
     
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    Over the last 3 seasons about £300 MILLION
     
  28. Oldgold Wolfcub

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    We do have ambition.
    Morgan's is not to lose any of his own money.
    Moxey's is to save his well paid job.
     
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    Correct.
     
  30. QB Wolf

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    Albion have been like Fred Karno's circus for two years, they've been rubbish again this season but they'll stop up with a record low points total I reckon.

    One thing they've always had is the rub of the green, some will say you make your own luck by decisions like appointing Pulis but they are a spawny bunch of stripy $$$$ers all the same.
     

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