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The £5 billion question

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Tring Wolf, Feb 15, 2015.

  1. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    Seeing as this seems to be taking a lot of other threads off topic (and apologies as I'm as guilty as anyone on this one), I'm interested as to people's answer to the obvious question...

    ...if we don't make the play-offs this year, does Jackett deserve at least next season to continue his work here?

    Personally, I say 100% yes as:

    1. He did a superb job last season, effectively helping to bring the club off its' knees.

    2. He has continued to do a decent job this year given the squad available to him. Of those above us, I would say that only Brentford are massively outperforming due to some excellent recruitment in the Summer. The other teams above Wolves have either a far superior side (Derby, Watford, Norwich and Middlesbrough) or an extra 12 months' experience playing together at this level (Ipswich and Bournemouth, who incidentally both finished in a similar position to where we currently are this year). In comparison, I think there are many more squads that ours is overperforming against (Forest, Blackburn, Cardiff, Fulham, Wigan etc).

    3. I don't believe he is out of his depth at this level. The closest comparison would be with a successful 'Championship Manager' in Holloway who is doing a worse job with the same resources that Jackett had at Millwall.

    4. He is working well in terms of alignment with the club's strategy of bringing through (and in) talented youngsters with scope for long-term improvement.

    5. Generally in his time here, his record in the transfer market has been decent with a better hit/miss ratio than a number of his predecessors. His net spend during his 18 months here is fairly neutral from a fees perspective (and the wage bill has been reduced hugely) and the only seven-figure sum signing in that time has been Afobe. He looks excellent so I'd like to see what Jackett can do with another 2-3 players in that price range.

    So all in all, whilst I'm not convinced that he will eventually take us up (and the statistics suggest that he quite probably won't), I think the job he has done here has been superb and certainly worthy of further time and backing going forward.

    What do others think and why? And if people don't think he is the man for next season, who do they think is? And why?
     
  2. Dan G WWFC

    Dan G WWFC Just doesn't shut up

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    I'd give him to next January and see if the is any kind of improvement or of it looks like he is capable of taking us up.

    Because I'd love to take Paul Lambert here. Yes he was $$$$ at Villa. But if you can get him back to his Norwich days. Playing aggressive attacking football he can take us up and keep us there!

    Something is at Villa making managers play that boring way, since O'Neil left they have all set Villa up that way. Why?
     
  3. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

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    Yes he does, as although I personally think he is underachieving, I hate chopping and changing managers.

    Lambert? Tarnished.

    I personally would go after Adkins.
     
  4. 1312

    1312 Has a lot to say

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    Yes.

    One more season. Anyone that thought prior to this season starting that we were going up again needs to give their head a wobble. I know the season has panned out in such way that alters expectations, but we haven't got the strength in numbers that we need.

    I think the best example for us to follow at this present moment is Bournemouth, last season they flirted with the play offs and then just missed out. But what they have done is invested in the correct areas and now look a certainty for the play offs, if not the top two.

    The only issue next season will be the three clubs who come down surely can't fair as badly as the three have this season (FWIW, I think Norwich are massively underperforming), so it becomes more tricky, however, as I have said, if we are smart in the summer we can make a good go of it next season. Not that this one is over just yet.
     
  5. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Frustrating as it is that we look like we'll finish just short of the play-offs if nothing changes, that's realistically a fantastic turnaround from when KJ joined. There's work to be done but he's building a side and with a years Championship experience under his belt/a lot of the player's belts you'd hope we'll be better next season. Needs to address the glaring issues in squad depth over the summer window though.
     
  6. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    Who do you think he is underperforming against with this squad mate? I personally only think Brentford and possibly Ipswich (although again, that squad and Manager have the benefit of an extra 12 months together in this division).

    I think he's overperforming relative to more sides/Managers (Forest, Wigan, Blackburn, Cardiff, Fulham) than he is underperforming.
     
  7. Jim Bowen

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    He should get no set time period, just the same as any manager, he's 10-12 games from the sack at any time. What if we go on a poor run now for the next 14 games and we start the same way next season, we should give him the whole of next season? Of course not, it's a results business and Jackett will be judged on results in the present not what he's going to achieve in 1/2/3 years time. At the moment though he's perfectly safe, he's not going to get sacked if he achieves a top ten finish but we need to be at least in the top 6 next season, if he doesn't look like he can achieve that then get rid, there's no time to hang around.
     
  8. North West Wanderer

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    I don't think there's many teams in this league that we should be fearful of. Our performances however IMO have been at times terrible. We are where we are in spite of this!

    I think he can get more out of the existing players he has too.

    I think the Wigan's and Forest's of this world are having terrible seasons considering the players at their disposal.
     
  9. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Yes another season for me
     
  10. Hebburn Wolves

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    yes for the above reasons
     
  11. waggys left foot

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    If he makes the playoffs but we dont go up then I think he will defo get another full season.

    If he doesnt ,a bad start could put morgan under pressure from fans.

    We will need to replace sako and get two or three better than we have got in especially in midfield.The bomb squad will be gone as will most of those who make up the numbers.
     
  12. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    That's pretty much as I see it. Written in a far more succinct way than my rambling OP!
     
  13. Big Mack

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    Difficult to answer the OP's question as I feel we are short of being told what exactly the plan is. Are we trying to get promoted as soon as possible? Are we waiting for the academy to bear fruit? Are we building steadily in the hope we secure a promotion berth sometime between the two? We've been fed all three aims recently with the culmination the manager calls his team average one week and aiming for the playoffs the next.

    If we fail to strengthen in the summer then, in my view, we could well be at the wrong end of the table next year given the quality of the league will be better.
     
  14. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    Lambert is an interesting shout. Guess Warburton will be free too. Perhaps we could save a wage and he could double up as Director of Football too...
     
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    For me, Manages are no different to players I'm afraid...
    If there is a better option to upgrade your manager and progress the club, then take it with open hands.
    Sentiments get you know where these days anymore in Football.

    Lambert has been noted, it's ok being 'tarnished' but sometimes you have to fail to be able to reflect and move forward and come back a better man/manager.

    But the question is.................... Who is out there that would come to Wolves and Improve the club & would Morgan allow this ?
     
  16. Big Nosed Wolf

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    The OP comes at the question from the wrong angle.

    He has done nothing which suggests he should be sacked at the end of this season.

    There is every chance the play offs will be reached. I still maintain he will grind enough results out of a squad short on real quality and experience to contemplate success in the big league to do it. He is a coach who has done this last season and this. Few available replacements will do any better.

    The real questions are,

    If the play offs are reached what happens if they are won?

    If not what will the policy be for next season on strengthening?

    The 'evidence' is coaches can become less effective after five years. KJ is approaching his peak period in this respect.

    He needs serious backing to carry on the job for the next three years at least, subject to there being no obvious meltdowns in performances.
     
  17. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    Certainly, with the exception of a top quality manager becoming available in the summer and is interested in working here (ie Big Sam) which is extremely unlikely, it really shouldn't even be a question.

    This season's allowed us to identify the gaps in the squad and we should be going into next season with those filled and in a great position for a promotion push. Last season we filled those at the mid way point and Jackett led us to superb finish and for whatever reason they haven't this time around and in the order of culpability as to why Jackett is at the bottom for me.

    It's also worth remembering Jackett hasn't managed a team with aims at the top end of the championship, I know he's managed in the championship but there's a big difference taking a team to Derby with aims of winning and going to park the bus, so I'm forgiving him for a few of his mistakes this season and hoping he'll be better for it next season.

    In the end it looks like he's going to get us to where we expected to be, just outside the POs and I don't hold him responsible for the lack of improvement to the squad which would have given him the tools to achieve a little more.
     
  18. 1312

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    What's going on with Warburton? His interview wasn't all that clear.
     
  19. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    My understanding is that there was a fall-out due to Warburton's refusal to sign foreign players that he hadn't personally seen.

    Apparently, their Chairman feels that Brentford will never have such an opportunity to make the Premier League again and wanted to push the boat out whilst Warburton felt that it could undermine the existing team spirit and unity.
     
  20. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    For me the question at the end of the season should be why we didn't strengthen sufficiently in the first loan window, the January transfer window and then assumingly the second loan window.

    I'm willing to forgive the summer window as given how well we did last season you can see why they wanted to give them a go to see where they stood in the division above (with the exception of another striker which was clearly needed!), but it's been criminal not to strengthen in the opportunities since with the gaps clearly identified.
     
  21. Wall heath Wanderer

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    In all honesty I would like to see him given at least 3 seasons after this as I would like to see how things pan out with the academy and the bringing through of players from there to the main team.
    It seems to me that the building blocks for the future are being placed, and its about time we stuck to a set football philosophy.
    We seem to have a habit as of late of changing things with each new manager, rather than bring in someone new to progress what is already in place.
     
  22. RosehillWolf

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    No. He's too defensive minded and never seems to have a plan b. His tactics and tinkering are baffling
     
  23. 1312

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    Ah, the old interfering chairman.

    Wouldn't surprised me if he walked.
     
  24. JamesWolves

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    Keep him here til he builds a solid solid foundation like he did at Swansea
     
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    His lack of plan b is down to the players he has at his disposal. We have very little squad depth and this is a result of the change in strategy we've adopted. He'll get more time due to our new reliance on bringing players through, which is fine by me.
     
  26. Ercall Wolves

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    Very good, just about spot on
     
  27. Hebburn Wolves

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    playing devils advocate it maybe a case of KJ being a head coach was bought in to train SM signings and not KJ's signings. hence head coach and not manager.
     
  28. Edgmond Wolf

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    This in Spades
     
  29. Ercall Wolves

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    Pardon, Jackett was at Swansea for almost 3 seasons as follows:

    First season, got them promoted from LEAGUE TWO finishing third
    Second season in league One, finished sixth lost in the play off final
    Third season, resigned leaving them mid table in League ONE

    Don't want those kind of solid foundations
     
  30. reanswolf

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    The skill is in the replacement. If you can get a better manager in, then you should be brutal and replace. No time or place for sentiment.
     
  31. North West Wanderer

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    Some regard that as pretty decent, considering where they were at the time, which is struggling in league 2, and where they are now, an established Premier League team.

    I'd call that excellent work, and evidence of more than solid foundations.
     
  32. North West Wanderer

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    I agree. Equally, we shouldn't be flippant and replace managers at will.
     
  33. WarstonesWolf

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    Yes definitely another season, we are building for the future, need stability now.
     
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    No lets get Saunders back

    Jesus wept
     
  35. Ercall Wolves

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    In your opinion yes, IMO it's about standards and expectations, mine is higher than mid table in League One.
     
  36. North West Wanderer

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    The original post you quoted mentioned foundations, as in the beginning, not the end.

    An expectation is not a foundation.
     
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    Whatever happens this season, even if we lose most of the games until the end of it, Jackett will be given next season, then a decision will have to be made.
     
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    Yes he should
    As long as he still has the dressing room and that we aren't on a horror run.
    If we lost 10 out of the next 14, it would give a different perspective I think for me.
     
  39. inaglasshouse

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    KJ should be Wolves manager for a minimum 5 years IMO. We are a work in progress but the progress is clear to see. All these pathetic swipes about his tinkering with the team really get on my nerves. Too many haters / baggies on here at the moment.
     
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    Agreed.

    Considering about 19 players were sold/released and the "bomb Squad" was formed when he took over, he has done a fantastic job.

    Not only has the wage bill now been dramatically reduced, at an overall transfer deficit of £2million KJ has also brought in no fewer than 15 new players creating an almost brand new squad. He has also utilised and bolstered the youth academy.
    This is all not forgetting the fact he got us back into The Championship at the first attempt.

    I have the utmost respect for him and am confident, with a few quality additions to this squad, he can take Wolves to the top tier again and keep us there.
     

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