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Take the game to THEM

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Welsh Y'am Y'am, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. I'm not sure what that was today - a return to last season - constant high balls, never imposing ourselves on the game, an anonymous midfield, some suspect last ditch defending and - most importantly - not playing to our strengths!

    We've got good footballers at this club. Players who pass and move and take the ball forward and put good crosses into the box. So what was that this evening? Oh yes, we battled hard, but only because we let ourselves get into a bloody battle. Why didn't we take the game to Blackpool.

    "We're top of the league, this is how to play football"

    I'm thoroughly disappointed with that performance, and bemused by the bizarre starting lineup. I feel sorry for Jarvis, SEB and Ward who tried their hardest to get the ball down and play some decent attacking football.
     
  2. We played well for 20 mins of the game tonight, got the goal then instead of keeping going forward we wned up pushed back again and inevitabely concede.

    The performance was as bad as the QPR away game. Total blown opportunity.
     
  3. Bossworld

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    We did take the game to them in the second half, just got sucker punched at the end.

    Tonight I wasn't sure why Iwelumo was taken off at the time, was there on Friday and it was the right thing to take off Ebanks-Blake instead, but this time Iwelumo coming off gave Sylvan a kick up the $$$$, he was anonymous before hand.
     
  4. Vokes was far superior in his 25 mins to Iwelumo and should start next game ahead of him in the league
     
  5. Bossworld

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    I'd agree with a post in the other thread, Iwelumo's being effectively taken out of the game, he's constantly having fouls against him (though not all his fault)
     
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    Agree with the original post. Twice we scored and sat back tonight. We were awful the first half. We played a higher line in the second, and the introduction of Ward was pivotal. We looked the part for twenty minutes. But once we scored, it was almost as if we thought that was enough.

    Very angry about the 2 dropped points tonight.
     
  7. 306NOTOUT

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    To be fair I dont think the pitch helped.

    I'm starting to get annoyed with Hill though. All he seemed to do today was smash the ball either out of play or to no one in particular upfront.

    Dont think it was so much Ward coming on, but Foley moving to LB and him and Ward wanting to play their way out.
     
  8. goldfish

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    Iwelumo won us the penalty let us not forget (and almost certainly would have scored had he not been fouled).

    We won't dictate every game, but we're still picking up points. No cause for panic.
     
  9. cooper_J

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    I think the fact we look a much better side when Ward came on says alot.

    Ward is a much, much better option than hill. I've not been in the slightest bit impressed with him so far.
     
  10. wolf of sedgley

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    I agree. Hill has done nothing to suggest he is a good championship player, and that is the very least I expect from new signings over the age of 23!
     
  11. yateleywolf

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    Totally agree about Hill he doesn`t look fit and seems to just hoof it up the field when ever he got the ball.
     
  12. ice cream head

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    We could and perhaps should have scored 4 or 5 - Second half we outclassed them and deserved to win the game, no question. A bit more quality when in on goal (particularly Jarvis not looking up) and Blake may have got a hat-trick.

    Still, top of the league, 7 points clear with the quality to stay there. As Mick said, we can't win them all even when it's deserved.
     
  13. glasgowwolf

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    Second half we were very good, 1st half it did not work.

    Foley is not a midfielder, Stearman is not a full back.

    As soon as we put Foley full back we were better.

    Definately 2 points lost
     
  14. We showed we could play good football at times but there was a little too much long ball.
    Although i thought Jarvis deserved man of the match i thought his decision making was wrong at 2 important times both occasions he took what was a very difficult shot instead of squaring it to SEB who on both occasions was wide open with a very big easy target to aim at.
    I thought Ward was great today really battled pushed forward and made things happen.

    I think Vokes played well too unlucky not to get a goal himself liked up play well with some good knock on headers

    SEB Deserves a mention too composed finish for the goal battle to keep possession and played some great balls for others to get on the end of, especially the Jarvis goal if only Jarvis had returned the favor.


    AND THE BLACK KIT WINLESS STREAK CONTINUES !!!!
     
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  15. Wolv3nsam

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    Teams seem to have sussed him and every time he goes for a header they crowd him out and he's not getting any joy, Vokes has far more time on the ball than Iwelumo because he's still an unknown player in this division - I think he deserves a small run in the side to see how he does.
     
  16. glasgowwolf

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    I am not sure if this is the right place to put it but my thoughts.

    Hennesey - 6 Nothing to do really, at fault with the second, though in his defence we were to deep.

    Stearman - 6 Not a full back, out of position too many times.

    Mancienne - 7 Did ok, gave a few fouls away, but won plenty of ball, with good distribution.

    Collins - 7 won every header (I wish it had been him for the first and not CI). Played things simple.

    Hill - 5 Poor very poor, lost the ball to often was out jumped not surprisingly against a much taller winger.

    Jarvis - 8 Was our main outlet, decision making was poor on too many occassions. Was a real danger when he decided to take the defence on.

    Henry - 8 just shaded to MOM by Jarvis, won everything, never misplaced a pass.

    Edwards - 6 not really on long enough but did not really get hold of the ball.

    Foley - 6 Not a midfielder, needed to play full back, where he looks class, not sure they would have scored the first if Stearman was in centre defence with Foley at full back.

    Iwuelmo - 6 good strength was penalised wrongly by the ref on a few occassions, would have scored but for Edwards pulling him, Edwards should hacve been sent off.

    SEB - 6 Struggled to hold the ball up, too many times tried to turn the defender and just turned into trouble. Just playt the way your facing give and go.

    Subs

    Jones - 7 Passing was what we expected should maybe of scored with the header. Showed good partnership with Henry

    Vokes - 6 Did everything well, one excellent movement and heared accross. Pushing hard for a start.

    Ward - 8 Excellent went at the defence time and time again, excellent play for our second showed great desire and determination, and a nice turn of pace.


    Overall

    Really unlucky not to get the win. The formation did not work first half we were still unlucky to go in 1 - 1, our failure to deal with a long throw really cost us.
    Hopefully Foley sill stay at Full back, and Stearman at Centre half. 2 missing players resulted in 3 or 4 positional changes. Keep it simple. 2 defensive errors cost us 2 points, Reading and Blues, were lucky to get there points we were unlucky not to get the 3 points.

    Too much long ball at times, thow they did close us down forcing us to go longher than we wanted, but we need to make the teams chase the ball and run out of steam.

    It was no coincidence that when we played good football we carved them open.
     
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  17. dolmanrj

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    Wasn't that type of game im afraid. We were never going to win the game with the type of football we try to play. The pitch is so narrow and bobbly, it was horrible. We needed to get more balls in the box as Blackpool had alot of success doing that.
     
  18. Muscat

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    A laughable claim. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as QPR; it was a hundred thousand times better.

    We weren't that bad tonight, and a couple of errors cost us.
     
  19. Wolv3nsam

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    What some fail to realise is that this will happen when you have a young team - look at Arsenal.
     
  20. wolfyjoe

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    Ward has improved immensely since he joined. He looked so hungry when he came on tonight, and not because he hadn't eaten :eek:..
    Him and Jarvis were the best players on the pitch. Even though Jarvis made a couple of wrong choices that could have lead to goals, he was the only one creating anything untill Ward came on.
     
  21. rincewind

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    TBH i don't think we were that bad 2nd half at all and overall just about deserved to win but for once didn't. Defence was unsure at times but when we tried to play football we looked much better than Blackpool as you would expect. They played long ball for their winger (Reid I think) who looked good and bypassed midfield. It took us quite a while to deal with this. Overall an improvement on recent games.
     
  22. Gloster_Wolf

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    I think the changes unsettled us. We didn't look good first half and didn't close them down enough. Too much long ball too. Once we started playing it about we looked much better. Vokes unlucky not to score with the back heel.
    Ref was dreadful!!
    Unlucky not to get 3pts.
    Sorry about the praece.... still trying to thaw my fingers out! :D
     
  23. Toon Wolf

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    We played well for about 15-20 minutes in the 2nd half, other than that I thought we were bloody rubbish. 1st half we didn't string more than 3 passes together, it was abysmal. Apart from the gifted penalty there was absolutely nothing to get you out of your seat. We improved and started to play once Ward came on and had a purple patch where we created a few chances, but then reverted to type. I've seen Wolves 5 times this season (not a huge amount I know) and I've yet to see Wolves look like a good team. Clearly we have been at times or we wouldn't be where we are, but on the evidence of my own eyes we aren't that great a team. The games I've witnessed we've been 2nd best. If this trend continues I expect Brum and Reading to overtake us and pip us to the top 2 places.
     
  24. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    In my opinion it was a poor first half performance perhaps due to some people playing in unfamilliar positions. Stearman did not look like a Right back to me and I would get him back at centre half asap, similarly Foley did not look like a midfielder. I am getting a little bored of the root1 football creeping in to the game, especially when you have wingers on the pitch. Jarvis was anonymous in the first half simply because he wasn't given the ball. As soon as he had it he roasted Ian Harte...why we persisted with smacking everything wrong to Big Chris if beyond me - if I see that long ball up to him direct from the kick off again I think i might scream! Blackpool offered little appart from set plays....the only reason the bleach blonde player for them was on the pitch, I think, was because he had a long throw. When we stopped panicing second half and started to pass and spread the ball they couldn't live with us. When kightly is back we need to keep it simple, pass the ball out wide and switch play atever opportunity. Kightly must be positive and take on his man....as must jarvis. Teams cant double up against two wingers every like they can against one. Hennessey, whatever way you paint it, was at fault for the second goal...and he didnt really have much else to do all game...I wouldnt be surprised to see Ikeme return sooner rather than later. Ward was excellent when he came on...on love his effort, commitment and skill, Vokes looked good, Jarvis was superb, SEB's performance was improved, Collins was solid...I just wish his headers, clearances found our man more often. Hill had a "boot it anywhere night" I can't see him providing much more than cover for Ward. i do have to ask though...why the hell was Hill (5ft nothing) marking the tallest Blackpool player on the pitch at set pieces? wierd!
     
  25. Wolv3nsam

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    Stearman played 100+ games for Leicester at RB, you can not blame Mick for trying it out.
     
  26. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    Agreed...but do you think he looked comfortable...I didn't. It took him a while to settle in at Centre half why change back now? I hope it wasnt just to accomodate Collins and Mancienne in the line up.
     
  27. Wolv3nsam

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    It was to accomodate Kightly's absence from the team as Foley was playing RW, Mick then later moved Jarvis there as Harte has no pace and couldn't keep up.
     
  28. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    True, still think it was a mistake though. To me, from the off, we should have had Edwards/Jarvis on the wings and Jones / Henry Centre Mid. One of the centre halves should not have played
     
  29. Wolv3nsam

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    I advocated Foley at RW because he has been venturing forward a lot lately and to be fair I can see why Mick did it, suffice to say it didn't work but it was always worth a try. Hopefully it has made Mick realise how desperately we need another winger in the window.
     
  30. My thoughts exactly.

    Did we play well? Hmm, not really - certainly not over the 90 minutes.

    Did we do enough to win the game? Yes - without a doubt.

    Were we constantly under the cosh? Nope.

    Did Blackpool create anything? Did they $$$$$$$$. Unless we gave chances to them - which we did twice and they scored both times.

    Foley was tried in midfield because he can get forward and his delivery is excellent. Look at the Barnsley game in which he was outstanding - both as a full back and a makeshift wide man. It didn't quite come off for him in midfield and he looked much more comfortable at left back.

    We have won games we haven't deserved to this season, this was the other way round - we should have won, we deserved to win, but we didn't.
     
  31. 5150

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    "best we have played all season" .....quotes from both Sheff Utd and Blackpool managment.

    We best get used to it.

    Looked infinatley better when Ward came on.
    Our game was all a little compact until he came on and gave us width and options.
    Wayne at fault for loss of points over the Christmas period.However he saved us that point against Sheff Utd.
     
  32. My opinion? Stop bloody worrying.

    First half - Crap.

    Second half - Much Better.

    Unlucky not to win but our luck seems to have evened itself out over the season so far and if it continues to do so and we're 7 points clear at the end then i for one will be a happy chap.

    We won't win them all. We picked up another away point and continued the undefeated streak. Now calm bloody down.

    * Note, i DO wish Jarvis would learn how to shoot or make the correct decision in the box, but tonight he was our only creative outlet so kudos to him for that.
     
  33. JR's Boots

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    A worrying performance against a severly limited side that should have been confortably beaten.

    First half - Dismal fare. A complete mess caused by Mick's pointless fiddling. Foley and Stearman out of position. Hill is rubbish and hoofed it anywhere. A waste of money. Edwards selected again but fortunately replaced by Jones who improved matters slightly. Henry's distribution was awful again and our midfield vanished. Iwelumo was poor once more, sluggish, ineffectual and just doesn't jump cleanly enough. One more irritant tactically. One the right wing Jarvis was up against the Ian "slow as a milkfloat" Harte who he skinned every time. So what did we do with goal kicks etc? Hoof it long to the left wing. Iwelumo should have been ordered to the right so any flick on's ended up with Jarvis. A simple switch that could have made a big difference.

    Second half was in improvement when Hill was replaced and we reverted to a better line-up. Wardy helped going forward and we started to play some football. Should have won but for a horrible misjudgement by Hennessey.

    An injection of real quality and strength is required during the January window otherwise we are going to struggle to stay ahead of Blues and Reading. Our form has dropped and the same will happen to our points tally.
     
  34. Rubbish.
     
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    Agree with every word Langdale. Worrying my eye; would have won 4-0 on another night.
     
  36. Uncle Festa

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    I totally agree JR. We havn't functioned for about a month now. Teams have sussed us out completely, and we looked very poor against an average team. We need reinforcing in January and get back to the Mancienne/ Stearman partnership in the centre of defence, and Ikeme back in goal.
     
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    Yeah, 1 defeat in 14 and 27 points from 12 games in November and December strongly suggests other teams have figured us out. Have a day off.
     
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    I agree to a point. They have sussed out the fact that if you put lofted crossses in the box, you will cause our defence problems. That problem is solved by bringing in Ikeme, who will claim or at least punch with distance. We have allowed opposing players too much time on the ball to play and that doesn't seem to happen as much when Stearman and Mancienne are the centre back pairing. They both don't give centre forwards an inch in which to turn and play and this generally flows through the rest of the team. Foley keeps it tight although Ward needs to get tighter(Mancienne showed how it's down when he came on against Sheff UTD at left back. It's much easier to tackle someone before they are fully under control of the ball than when there in full flow running at you. When we press opposing teams all over the pitch, we look a different team.
    Also with Jarvis and Kightly on the wings we need someone who can quickly and accurately find the right pass to set them on their way. David Jones is this man and i think Henry's recent poor performances(compared to first 15 games) are due to the fact he prefers playing with Jones.
    Iwelumo is getting it rough from referees but i also think as a team we are more inclined to hoof it when he's playing because he' so good in the air. Vokes has the aeriel ability but is more fluent with the ball at his feet and should be given another chance from the start(although he didn't take the opportunity earlier in the season).

    Ikeme

    Foley Stearman Mancienne Ward

    Kightly Henry Jones Jarvis

    Vokes SEB
     
  39. That would be my first choice starting 11 at present too wanderer24.

    The back 4 and goalkeeper frankly pick themselves. Collins has looked okay, but I think most people want to see the Stearman/Mancienne partnership develop. I for one did not like the "set-piece" move of passing the ball back to Mancienne, who put his foot on it for Collins to hoof through it to Iwelumo who would, in turn, go up for a header and get penalised for doing absolutely nothing wrong. The fact we kept trying that plan was slightly bemusing, especially seeing as though they somehow managed to $$$$ it up in the very first minute of the match.

    Jones' touch and passing are of premier league quality, it's the rest of his game where he falls short but I think what he loses out to Edwards in endeavour and enthusiasm, he makes up in other areas. Jones to start with Davies recalled from loan has to be the medium-term plan in my opinion, especially with Edwards likely to be out injured.

    Wingers pick themselves, blates.

    As for the strikers, I agree that it is time Vokes was given a shout alongside SEB. I think the two would work hard for each other and I have seen enough of Vokes to take the view that he as natural a goalscorer as SEB is. He is clearly very intelligent in the box and as many of us have noticed, Iwelumo seems to have had his card marked by every ref in the land whereas Vokes is a lesser-known entity and carries no (undeserved) reputation.

    It'll be interesting to see who starts against Blues - whether MM will mix it up a bit or whether he will try to get his side settled again after what was quite frankly a very unsettling shuffle of personnel against Blackpool.
     
  40. Seven points clear and a great season so far. I have supported the Wolves for almost fifty years sadly from afar for the last twenty so I think I know something about the subject. I must be mad to wade through this sea of whinging. What on earth do some of you people expect? Keep the debating but cut the hysteria.
     

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