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Tactics, home and away?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Essex Wolf, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Should Wolves adopt the same attitude home and away?

    For me any system that works well enabling your team to gain victory scoring plenty of goals which provides entertainment has to be worth going with. No need for a gun ho approach but by all accounts pretty much everything about last nights game was spot on.

    Spot on team selection, system, tactics and approach.

    At Molineux Wolves seem hesitant of late whilst away they seem more adventurous whilst still maintaining a solidness about them.

    Of the 48 points Wolves have picked up this season to date 25 have been at home and 23 away. Wolves have scored and conceded 38 goals scoring 2 more goals away than at Molineux. Yes they have also conceded more away but overall away form is far better than home form all things considered.

    Wolves next home game is V Rotherham on the 21st Feb. No disrespect meant but they have won away just twice all season scoring 11 goals in 15 games and conceding 18. Should Wolves treat their home games as they did the away last night and use what they have an abundance of?
     
  2. North West Wanderer

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    Absolutely not for me.

    We need more guile and late arrivals into the box at home. It is clear that we haven't hit it quite right at home for a while, but away we have no such issue, where pace and counter attacking is required, which we have in abundance.

    Teams would simply sit back and not allow us the room when away from home.

    I will also say (tin hat on) that Molineux doesn't help at times.
     
  3. JW

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    Why doesn't molineux help NWW?
     
  4. Essex Wolf

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    Fully agree re Molineux not helping at times NWW but that has often been said and often that old comment of is it the supporters job to raise the team or vice versa? Bit of both applies I suppose and when the football served up is flat, dull and unexciting, well sure you know what I'm saying.

    My thoughts were along the lines of letting sides have a go and then hit them on the break. If they feel there is some space they may come out and try and play?

    Of late Molineux football wise has been pretty dire. Too many draws against poor to average sides mixed in with defeats and the odd win. Since the 1st November last year Wolves have only won twice at home. That tells me something is clearly not right or working so just wondered about changing the attitude and approach.

    Just a thought.
     
  5. kwolf

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    fickle home fans
     
  6. North West Wanderer

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    At home, people expect us to go for the jugular.

    If we sit back, that is risky in itself. But with respect to the average football fan, they won't accept that, even if it a means to an end.

    Home sides should attack after all??!

    So the crowd gets impatient.

    Also, you're relying on an away side to actually try and attack!
     
  7. JamesWolves

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    Pretty much every team is coming to Molineux and putting 10 men behind the ball, before hitting us on the counter

    And our fans have a history of getting impatient
     
  8. WonderWolf

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    As it is.

    We have the Barcelona problem.......get some craft in in the number 10 position.
     
  9. merseawolf

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    Thats the point. We dont have a creative No.10 so why bother playing a system at home when we dont have the right player in such a pivotal role? Complete madness that has been shown up in results and performances. No disrespect to Edwards but running around away from home and closing the opposition down is all well and good but its simply not good enough when we need to break down well drilled sides. I'm all for the 4231 system if we have the players to play it. If we dont let's just get at them with players in there right positions and trust them to come out on top. Also the opposition is more likely than not quite poor so not much to worry about that our defensive players can't handle.
     
  10. North West Wanderer

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    I'd also say we don't have the right team whatsoever with any guile, never mind Edwards.
     
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    Which is why we need to play a high tempo game with 2 wingers and 2 strikers and play to our strengths. Overlapping full backs and hit teams with pace and width and plenty of quality in and around the box. Not slow tippy tappy predictable boring rubbish
     
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    With you on the boring rubbish! Need Price to kick on from last night and play a more offensive role in a 4411
     
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    We need that no.10 who's going to get in-between the opposition midfield and defence to unpick them.
     
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    The team have the primary responsibility of lifting the fans - that is far more important than fans lifting the team. Players who do show a bit of spark, conviction and passion will bring any crowd to its feet.

    I don't think the crowd can be used as some sort of bottomless well from which the team can draw its support if a team under-performs. We're no different from any other club in that respect, particularly Villa Park or the Hawthorns where they couldn't wait to get rid of Irvine and booed Chris Brunt.
     
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    Was it 4-2-4 last night though ?
     
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    You can dress it up however you like. 442 424 4411 but the bottom line is 2 wingers and 2strikers on the pitch
     
  17. bod101

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    Up the tempo. Press the opposition when not in possession. Get the ball out of defence quickly and efficiently and do the possession stuff further up the pitch.
     
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    .......absolutely this and more players capable of a pass like VLP's for the first goal last night. How many defence splitting passes have we seen this season - a handful at most? Not good enough.
     
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    It's 4-4-2 enough of this tippy tappy possession $$$$.
     
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    We now know we can play 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 with our squad which in theory should mean we have a plan A & B. It all depends on the day what formation we play as to players that are carrying niggles are in/out of form etc.

    Don't buy into the Molineux is a difficult place to play that's just a negative excuse for failure and a bit of dig at the fans IMO.
     
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    We dont impose ourselves at home because we failed , again, to recruit the right players to enable us to do so in the transfer window
     
  22. Edgmond Wolf

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    This in Spades
     
  23. North West Wanderer

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    It wasn't meant that way and to be to honest that would mean having a go at myself.

    However it's not particularly intimidating once the crowd murmurs start. I appreciate the team needs to inspire the crowd but occasionally it can work the other way

    The atmosphere has also been pretty flat in recent weeks.
     
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    I agree about the atmosphere a problem endemic throughout football at the moment. But Wolves style hasn't helped things at home. Our lack of ability to impose ourselves at home just doesn't encourage a good atmosphere i'm afraid .
    If were going to play 4-2-3-1 at home against teams who park the bus then Jacobs should be given 60/70 mins at No 10 to prove he can or cant cut at championship level.
     
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    Agree totally BN
     
  26. North West Wanderer

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    Jacobs isn't in the squad as he isn't good enough. Therefore we should be recruiting someone who is.

    But I feel my point stands. Even the Southbank isn't as boisterous by a long way. I have read on here that there's two different sections who sing different songs?! I only see, as I look at it, the bottom left of the stand making the noise.

    We all have a collective responsibility to do better. Why should we just be like everybody else in this regard?
     
  27. Berlin Wolf

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    I suppose one tactic Wolves could employ at home is set up where we allow teams to come on to us, and soak up their pressure. We wait for them to make a crucial mistake, flick the switch, and hit them on the break as we did at Huddersfield. I noticed from the hightlights, we did this when Hudds lost the ball and we were able to clinically capitalise on their mistakes. It would make a change from letting other teams set up at Molineux and park their bus, leaving us battling to force open doors and windows to find a way through.
     
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    The team shouldn't need to inspire the crowd, admittedly it does help, but we are supporters, our remit is to support. Agreed, its not easy if a team parks the bus and we are struggling to break them down, but we have to get into the habit of supporting the team for ninety minutes, no matter what.
     
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    I'm with you there mate.
     
  30. BrummieNick

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    Interesting that NNW I stand in S5 and there's a few around that try and get in going but not enough really. You cant really here the WV1 boys in S1 unless the rest of the stands has got going. But what does happen is that one side will be just getting going then the other side starts with something else and they cancel each other out.

    I think if you want to improve the atmosphere in the Southbank on a regular basis you would have to make it unreserved seating then people who want to sing can congregate together centrally like they did back on the old terraces. This of course is never going to happen.

    Jacobs has not had enough time on pitch to make an absolute opinion on him yet IMO.
     
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    The issue that we've got is that there is no level of proactiveness amongst the home support, majority of the time, people are waiting for someone else to do something. Away is slightly different, Tuesday for example there was quite a consistent noise, something that haven't heard for a while. Just need to keep it up for Saturday and then hope it carries over to the Rotherham game.
     
  32. North West Wanderer

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    Which is S5 Nick? Bottom right as I look at it?

    You make a very valid point there. Edgmond alluded to two different "factions" trying to start different songs.

    To be fair to the Southbank, the other stands aren't vocal, obviously, but I feel a noisier South Bank leads to a noisier ground.
     
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    Middle right as you look.
     
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    The WV1 boys don't stop. If they were more central this wouldn't be an issue.
     
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    I know, the problem with that, is that the more central blocks, such as S3 are already congested with existing STH's meaning its difficult to get a block of two rows of 6/7 altogether.
     
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    Are you one of the WV1 boys?
     
  37. Essex Wolf

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    Agreed re at home going for the jugular but Wolves just aren't very good at it. As such recent home games/form have been poor and the fans aren't happy so just thought a different approach might bring about a different set of results. Supporters will more likely turn up to see a winning side than a losing one irrespective of the football being played.

    True and Wolves struggle so hence my point of trying something new. A case of nothing ventured type thing.

    Good points.

    Exactly my point in the OP BW.
     
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    This may work against Derby or a top 6 side, the problem for me is games against mid-lower end teams, i.e. Brighton, Charlton etc who happily sit back, show no attacking intent happily accepting a draw.
     
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    Know what you mean MRL but using BHA and Charlton as examples just look at the two results against them at Molineux. Wolves scored just 1 goal and that in the 88th min V BHA. I'd say the tactics used in those games didn't produce much at all but as I say I do know what you mean.
     
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    :wavey:

    PM'ed you.
     

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