Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by reanswolf, Mar 15, 2015.
Indeed it does although it does suggests that TC is the brains behind the operation!
Other Tractor forums say that MM is the best thing that has happened for them in some years although there is, again, comments about one dimensional play and....hoof ball!
He's done remarkably well to get them to this position in the first place. Super Mick indeed
I do agree, he has had no pennies to spend. Worked a miracle and most Ipswich fans recognise that.
I think it highlights that they recognise the limitations of Mick however. But he hasnt reached that plateau yet tho such a post seems scarily familiar.
Agreed, just like Jackett has with us.
Disagree a bit. I think he could have done better.
I wish Mick well, always will do.
But he has also allegedly told a fan to **** off who disagreed with a substitution.
Good on him I say. Fans are far too precious a lot of the time.
Classic McCarthy fragility under pressure. He is like a book where you can guess the ending after the first two pages.
I think Jackett has 'outperformed' Mick this season. Mick's miracle at Ipswich was more when he saved them from relegation two years ago and turned them into a play-off chasing side last year.
This year, they haven't progressed that massively from that whilst Jackett has taken a League One squad that is very low on Championship experience to a similar position.
Both done excellent jobs overall at their respective clubs though.
Mick is a bit of a dinosaur whose level was top end championship. Problem is that the championship is evolving and getting tougher as each season goes by but Mick can't change.
He did a good job in getting Ipswich back on the right track from what was a right mess but I don't think he will ever manage to secure another promotion to the Premiership. I'd expect him to fade away a bit now and I also think he will leave Ipswich with a dodgy legacy of limited inner circle players stagnating on long contracts. I'd expect him to leave Ipswich within 18 months now.
He will probably end up managing Barnsley at some stage IMO.
He's done a fantastic job with them considering the position they were in and add to the fact he's been forced to sign donkeys like Hunt.
As always, the fans will probably get impatient, have unrealistic expectations and conveniently forgot all the hard work the manager has done to get them to their current position.
He's done a good job there but they are now being found out for the average team they are. They have no pace and their style of football is poor.
To be fair, they are missing their two 'flair players' in Jonny Williams who got injured on loan and McGoldrick.
Like us, they don't have enough quality and creativity in the squad elsewhere to make up for that.
and all done on a shoe string budget, he has done remarkably well - fans expectations easily get built up beyond proportion
That's how I see it.
Ipswich are pretty much where they were last season. We have been promoted and are now pretty much level pegging with Ipswich.
Not saying we haven't made mistakes or that we are massively over achieving, but it's ludicrous to suggest Mick is outperforming Jackett.
I would have much much more time for Mick if he just once tried something different somewhere. As Reans pointed out, just so, so predictable. Anyway, he's not our problem anymore, let them worry about him.
He has never been forced to sign players like Hunt, they are the kind of players he likes, he always goes back in for his old trusty war horses, he is very predictable.
The fans will get bored of how his team plays and him always picking donkeys like Hunt
This in Spades
Good luck to Mick, will always have fond memories for getting us to the greed league
We have moved on, well some of us have Kenny has brought a new style, needs backing, with a midfield snotter, let's keep it going
The world wide net is cast again...
Also noted another comment that struck a chord:
There is plenty of talent in mainland Europe who could do an excellent job for us. We don't always need to go to Eire to find players.
MM has done similar to the job he did at Wolves, rescuing a club in meltdown (debacle following Glenda's exit) and putting together a workman-like squad together quickly.
This time he has even less resources than he had with us, in the follow up stage that he is now in and doing pretty well. He could pull off what he did with us and get promoted, but would expect the same outcome of inability to transform to the premier league and survive there.
MM is massively out-performing Jackett.
Just look at the two sides, and tell me we shouldn't be ahead of them. Please, try your hardest.
He has got Daryl Murphy to be the top scorer in the division!! Daryl Murphy!
Whilst we are spending Â£2m on Afobe their whole team cost Â£10K but yeah they should be ahead of us.
People are so short-sighted in their views, MM has had NO money so how do you make a side successful, you make them organised, hard to beat and nick a few points. Exactly like at Wolves in the PL.
You bemoan his style of play without remembering how good we were in the Championship then again have a go at how we played in the PL when you conveniently forget he tried to sign players like Lallana, Mccarthy and a few more who most certainly would have made us a 'footballing' side.
He is a victim of his own success and it's happening again now.
Ipswich are nothing special at all, instead of praising a guy for over-achieving we say that he is limited.
I have never known anyone who has done so well divide opinion, I actually cannot believe it (that's a wider point not specifically this thread)
And KJ has done a solid job, 7/10 I'd say, we have the quality to be making a play-off push and that's all we are doing.
Excellent post, agree with most if not all.
Good post WeAreTheWolves totally agree with that.
Which bits do you disagree with?
This it shows how well KJ has done that we are only 2 points behind them now
$$$$$$$$ is Mick outperforming Jackett. Tring has it spot on.
I disagree a little.
We should have $$$$ed that league last year regardless. And we did.
Mick has managed to maintain a play off challenge despite the obvious lack of resources.
We are where we should be.
Pretty much all of it. Although I came to the conclusion about 2 years ago that it's pointless arguing with the cult of Mick. It's like talking 9/11 with Michael Moore.
Elaborate on how this is so.
MM has built a team for 10K whilst ours has cost millions.
It's funny you say he is out-performing him because you expect Ipswich to be in with a play-off shout.
Q. Why do you expect them to be in with a play-off shout?
A. MICK MCCARTHY.
Quite funny really.
You cannot tell me their side is better than ours on paper.
I don't get the issues with his post.
Simple question. Which side is better.
Van la Parra
We won't mention the one has players who cost around Â£9m and the other under Â£1m (whatever Sears was).
Why should Ipswich be ahead of us??
You're quite we "should have $$$$ed that league", but so should've Sheff U, Leeds, Coventry and Man City when they ended up there. It was essential we got out of that league at the first attempt, and they did.
Agree totally. Good post.
I have neither the will or passion to argue on this thread but some of the posts are absolutely ridiculous. MM outperforming KJ? DO ME A FAVOUR. I'm not Jacketts biggest fan but $$$$ me will the MM love in please end.
Money shouldn't even come into the equation. 4 of our players came up from youth as did some of the bench, not to mention last year he rebuilt this side and won automatic promotion from L1.
We will soon overtake Ipswich and league position IS ALL THAT MATTERS, but no doubt the MM arselicking will continue. Disgrace
I'm not going to get involved in this as I don't miss the 'every thread is eventually about Mick' days on here. However I would say that in modern football talking about the transfer fee cost of a team is not really relevant. Total budget would be worth knowing. I don't know what those figures would look like.
It's more that MM and that group of players have had an extra 18 months together at this level, which makes a big difference. They haven't really progressed from what he did last year (which was excellent) whereas Jackett is working with a young, largely inexperienced squad which has come up from the division below and a number of whom haven't a great deal of Championship experience.
They've both done excellent jobs at their clubs but for me, Jackett edges it looking at this year alone.
It's a very simplistic view to say MM only spent 10k on his team anyway. Their board do the same as ours and don't disclose what they paid, Freddie Sears for example was undisclosed. Then there is McGoldrick who they rejected a 5 million bid for. Would any of our players realistically attract that kind of bid? There is a lot of Premiership and International experience in that side.
What about wages, bet hunt and berry are on decent wages there and Murphy.
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