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Summer Recruitment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Mr Wolf, Feb 12, 2015.

  1. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Jumping the gun slightly but after what was a shambles quite frankly of not finding 1 striker all summer I thought we could get the ball rolling now as I don't want any excuses this time around. Fair enough KJ maybe wanted to give people a chance & see how they did but assuming we will be here again next season we know who is not good enough & it's time to start looking Thelwell now.

    We need better players than all these & a replacement for Sako:

    Sako/Jacobs - 2 wingers
    Clarke/Doyle/Cassidy (Mclinden loaned out) - 1 striker
    Saville - 1 centre midfielder
    Rickets - 1 defender (although Hause, Iorfa, EBL, Doc, SG, DB, RS I'm happy with)

    Then depending on how he feels about Rowe, Evans, Edwards another forward/midfielder is needed regardless. Of course any of these players could be wide players, number 10's, DM's I don't care thats up to KJ & how he wants to play but the clock is ticking now.
     
  2. Jonzy54

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    We will need recruitments in several positions but all that I ask is that we do business early and not just the odd one or two in the early part of he Summer and then with it all dragging on after the season has started.
    Obviously it will depend on whether we go up but either way just for once can we strike early and show some intent .
     
  3. Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)

    Very Proud (AKA Still Proud) Prouder than a proud thing in Proudville

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    Agree with most of that, sadly in Jacobs case, though I wouldn't write off Saville just yet, I think we may see a different player next season.

    I'm going to stick my neck out though and would say we'll need an upgrade on MacDonald
     
  4. Wolves in Limerick

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    If we manage to get promoted, do we still need a replacement for Sako? How the hell can anyone write off Saville at this time? Pointless thread. Worth your while waiting a few months before posting it. We can't foresee what will happen.
     
  5. RosehillWolf

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    We wont go up and we'll be told that the squad is good enough to challenge for a play off place ....sound familiar?
     
  6. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Because this is a plan for when we are stuck in this league like I've said sssuming we don't go up. We lose to a decent Norwich side & we're 5 points off them let alone that single 6th place.

    It's not righting players off it's called upgrading them, Shurle was a very good player & decent sub but guess what he got replaced for better & now they have Oscar & Willian battling it out. What do we have?
     
  7. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    Assuming we are still a championship team next season you'd hope we would be going in with the target of a top two finish and at least a play off place. So with that aim in mind...

    Keeping hold of Sako or bringing in a proven player or one with very high potential as a replacement would obviously be the top priority. Then it would have to be a no.10 that again is proven or one with very high potential, a bit early to talk about names but Knockaert would certainly be someone we should be sounding out now with his contract up in the summer. The key thing is these two players have to be good enough to go in and improve our XI not simply just our squad. (In Sako's replacement that would be as near to his level as possible)

    After those two it's about improving the strength of the squad really, I'm not sure there are too many areas we are going to be able improve on our first choice after signing the two above and they should all hopefully have improved from a season of experience.

    We'll need another striker to back up Afobe and Dicko for sure and I feel we're a winger short at the moment too so would like another unless we're prepared to use Zeli or one of the other kids next season. I'd like to see perhaps a young no.10 for the future who could challenge our new no.10 and Edwards and depending on Saville and Rowe maybe another central midfielder if Saville is to be loaned out again and Rowe's fitness woes continue into next season.

    So my list would be:-
    Keeping Sako/a high quality replacement
    A quality no.10
    A back up striker to replace Leon
    A young no.10 to replace Jacobs (who seems now to have noway back) - a cheap gamble so to speak.
    A left winger similar to the young no.10 as a gamble (could potentially be one player capable of both roles) if our current young wingers aren't expected to make an impact next season.
    A midfielder if Saville still isn't deemed ready and Rowe is still injured.

    I don't think that's too unreasonable, 2 key signings, 1 backup/squad player, one or two 'for the futures' and possibly a midfielder.
     
  8. Mr Wolf

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    2 key players is not enough, put it this way is there any chance in June we go out & pick up similar players to:

    Tom Ince
    Knockeart
    Dorrans
    Luongo/Jedinak
    Wood

    I don't see the $$$$ing problem Wolves why is it so hard to do? Other teams brought in about 10 players.
     
  9. Matt

    Matt Just doesn't shut up

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    We're lacking one or two quality players this season so next year, assuming we don't go up and Sako leaves, we'll be lacking two or three. I'm assuming we'll go back in for that Zyro chap to replace Sako, in which case we'd still need to add a quality CM, another AM and another ST as a minimum.

    Agree with taking a punt on a couple of youngsters from the lower leagues too.
     
  10. JOSWolf

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    We will need more than two players in the summer!
    Sako will leave, Jacobs as well. Two new wingers.
    One or possibly two central midfield players and another striker.
     
  11. MotorWoden

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    The trouble with these kinds of threads is everyone ends up with lists of about 6 players i.e. half a new team.

    I cant see why we would want any new defenders - they would just hold back the young players coming through who as far as I can see are demonstrating that they are quite likely to be very good championship players at the very least.

    I haven't given up on Saville and I think Weeks might make it too so we have a lot of numbers in midfield. If we were looking for a midfielder, a genuine alternative to McDonald is the only thing I think we should be looking at in my view, but I would stick with what we have.

    We will need a left winger and someone in the Edwards role because we don't have anyone coming through who can step right into those positions as far as I am aware. We are light up top too.

    I really don't think we will bring in more than three or maybe four established players and I would be happy with that. I will be in the minority for sure.
     
  12. Ironfistedmonk

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    I find myself agreeing with Mr Wolf for a change, if we are serious about promotion we do need some key signings as the squad outside of the first 11 is quite weak, especially in midfield/attacking areas, and we have too few options to switch things up and try something different.

    The youth policy we are following is fantastic and I'm all for giving them a chance but you can't rely on it producing enough players of a sufficient quality to fill your first team, we seem to struggle to produce attacking players through our youth sides especially.
     
  13. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    It would be great but for us to bring in those 5 you mention it would be comfortably in excess of £10m and that's accounting for us stealing a player of Knockaert's quality on a free!
     
  14. Mr Wolf

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    They are just off my head but we need similar, Dorrans was Norwich bound for £1.5m, Knockeart free, Ince was loaned out all season similar to Ibe & Bamford. An old wise head like a Jedinak/Ince/Marney character we could pick up cheaply & as I've said on another thread Martin & Murphy the 2 top scorers were free. Unless Luongo is going for Forshore money we should be alright if we move early before the prices become inflated again. Even that Mackay Steven went for £250k surely we could have taken a punt on a youngster like him.

    No MotorWoden I don't agree at all, as I've said the defence looks fine but relying upon Weeks, Graham, Wilson, Eusebio, Keita to be main stayers in the squad won't be good enough for me in the summer.

    The passengers need moving on & the first 11 need challenging & rotating at times.
     
  15. North West Wanderer

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    I would be sincerely $$$$ed off if we brought in 10 new players.
     
  16. Guido Fawkes

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    Unfortunately it is not the members of Molineux Mix who go out and sign players for Wolves...
     
  17. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Good list but it ay gonna happen IMO.
     
  18. Mr Wolf

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    We don't need 10 we need 4/5, the point was other teams can bring in 10 yet we struggle to get 3, get players scouted & tapped up now ready to come in before pre season.

    Zyro for Sako
    Wood for Clarke
    Dorrans for Saville
    Lingard/Powell/anyone season loan for Jacobs
    & another CM

    No it's the people who read this board that do & if we have another window like the last 2 people won't be happy & those fans they are so keen to keep make happy will drop to well below 20k for most games.
     
  19. Dan G WWFC

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    I can see us getting Michal Zyco as he we only have 12 months left on his contract and Sako would have left so we need a big replacement.

    We would still need another attacking signing.

    and posibly Another midfielder
     
  20. Essex Wolf

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    MW has just highlighted a long standing issue and I make his comments spot on.

    If KJ is in it for the long haul then by this seasons end he should have a far better idea of exactly what's needed albeit I believe he has a pretty good idea right now.

    For whatever reasons or excuses put forward as to why more hasn't been done to improve the squad if the club want success next season, should they not gain it this, then squad improvement is a must.
     
  21. Wolves in Limerick

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    Fantasy football at its worse. If Mick McCarthy can get a team man for man a lot poorer than what we have then it is a new manager we need not new players.
     
  22. Essex Wolf

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    I think I understand where you are coming from with those comments WIL but not sure:confused:
     
  23. Wolves in Limerick

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    In retrospect Warburton at Brentford may have been a better example but I think he may have spent some money over the last season, Mick has too much history on this site and I don't want people going off on that debate again. Essex, I think we have quite a reasonable squad which could and may well achieve a lot more than people expect of it. I am of the opinion that Morgan and Moxey have made every effort to support KJ and if he fails it is down to the manager and not the players. Remember the club signed VLP, Rowe and Saville in the close season. Two of the three have yet to prove themselves. Yes two arrived on frees but they would still have required significant signing on fees. The club also signed what on initial viewings appears a quality forward in the most recent window. There also appears to have been an attempt to have signed a quality Polish midfielder in that time also. Apart from that considerable additional investment has gone into the Academy, again something that I suspect costs considerably more money than most fans would believe.
     
  24. Essex Wolf

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    Cheers WIL.

    I wonder if the club will return at some stage in the near future for Michal Zyro. It's often said that one player doesn't make a team and by and large I agree but I feel Zyro really is a player that COULD make a difference.
     
  25. JOSWolf

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    No excuses this coming summer.
     
  26. Essex Wolf

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    You've done it now mate.

    Once Jez reads this he'll just planning his excuses list earlier than usual:D
     
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    There's loads, and a reminder mate, it isn't just about money spent.
     
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    Well done Mr Wolf you win the first to mention Chris Wood award!!!

    Let's move on from $$$$ing Chris Wood debate
     
  29. Mr Wolf

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    Apart from you nobody else has mentioned Chris Wood (who I think is average anyway) so hardly a debate. The point is another striker is needed & again not these players, I'm not a scout just these positions need improving on.

    And yes WIL/Essex/NWW this is not a debate about money or what we've got, players no matter what budget are out there for us to find. If we need to spend £3m on Zyro do it likewise if we need to spend 300k on Murphy from Sheff Utd & 150k on Hanson from Bradford do it just get the right players in.
     
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  30. JOSWolf

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    It isn't about how much a player costs but they need to be a lot better this summer. No excuses in my opinion.
    I expect a lot better from our recruitment team and Jackett this summer.
     
  31. Dan G WWFC

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    I would look at the relegated teams from the championship.

    The will also be a really good player in with the 3 teams.

    If Wigan go down, what about Emyr Huws, he was great last season for Blues. James McCLean and James Perch would be a decent buy aswell.

    Chalton have Igor Vetokkele but will probably be sent to standard liege.

    Brighton, Lewis Dunk, Jake Forster-Caskey, Danny Holland, Rohan Ince and Kazenga Lualua.

    Blackpool have, nobody. Unless the is a kid there is haven't heard of yet.

    What about league 1, Conor Hourihane, John Fleck, Joe Walsh, Marcus Maddison, Josh Brownhill, Bailey Wright, Alan Browne.

    The secret to Brentford is that they bought the young exciting players from the lower leagues we was linked with and should have bought.

    If we went and bought, Wilson, Pritchard and Odubajo. We would be laughing.
     
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    Its well very well saying 'do it', but we all know m and m don't want to spend more than the minimum. You also assume that other clubs do not want the same player. Sadly a too simplistic viewpoint.
     
  33. Mr Wolf

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    It's nothing to do with money, free transfers, loans, bargains, whatever. We should have a list of players all lined up within our budget who KJ wants to sign. None of this waiting around all summer for some other club to make a move.

    I'm not assuming anything, if another club wants our target we do battle then move on or should we wait again for the loan market.
     
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    Could be debate whether fans would want McClean with the poppy thing and all, but who knows

    On the subject of Wilson, Pritchard and Odubajo ... whos to say they would have worked if they came here ? Wilson was a massive gamble and it paid off same with Britt.
    Ben Pringle looked amazing in League One last year hasnt done anything of note this season (i may be wrong)
     
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    The difference from Pringle and the rest is that they have pace, pace works at any level. I wasn't a massive fan of Pringle even in league one as well.

    I would of defiantly gone for Wilson and Obudajo
     
  36. @Nat_WWFC88

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    I'd be making a few calls to the top, top PL teams. What with Sky and their new deal, the top teams are going to have a lot of money at their disposal. Their kids will not get a look in.

    One/two proven additions in the areas that matter and talented 18-20 year olds to develop for me.
     
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    Furthering the fact we dont have any good English youth players
     
  38. Dan G WWFC

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    Chelsea are top of the under 21s. With a LOT of young english players.

    We have won the under 17s championships and are a top team in the under 19,20 and 21s.

    We have a lot of good young players.

    A new Golden Generation is coming though.

    Daniel Crowley, Ryan Ledson and Patrick Roberts are the ones leading the way that aren't on the tongue of most football fans.

    Add Ibe, Stearling, Barkely, Stones, shaw etc.
     
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    Post 18 you mention Chris Wood , so no it's not me it's you!!!!!

    Ps I think he's rank
     
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    Clearly it depends on what division we're in first. If we somehow scrape promotion we'll probs need six starting players, as harsh as it would be to drop everyone who's got us this far.

    If we don't we'll probs need three or four into the first-team squad.
     

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