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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by JW, Mar 7, 2015.

  1. JW

    JW Just doesn't shut up

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    Again, did they cost us today? IMO afobe RVLP and sako were tireing and needed replacing, especially with dicko Edwards and Jacobs on the bench.

    Just feel it's 2 points which we could have capitalised on
     
  2. Summer_Wolf

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    The Doyle substitution was absolutely pointless, did nothing whatsoever to change the game in our favour
     
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    I was a bit disappointed that Kenny brought Doyle on; we were crying out for Dicko.
     
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    I understand it we needed a link player and more dropping deep. Dicko wouldn't offer that.
     
  5. JW

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    Yeah needed to put them back 10 yards and hold it better
     
  6. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    I suspect Dicko was unfit, no reason you'd bring Doyle on instead. Regardless, don't know why we didn't try Edwards and/or Jacobs as well. The game was slipping away and we didn't change anything.
     
  7. GBWolf

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    Not the sort of game that Dicko could really affect.
     
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    I would add Hause into the equation, he was knackered IMV, That said I couldn't believe their manager took off their right "wing-back" he was a great outlet for them!

    Sako and Afobe were left on as you hope they will have a moment of magic but wouldn't have minded Jacobs have a go on the right.
     
  9. JW

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    Completely disagree. As good as afobe is, he's a different player to dicko. We needed dicko on to stretch their defence and out them 10 yards deeper , they were comfortable the large majority of the afternoon.

    Also think Jacobs should have been given a go, as there was becoming a lot of space for some long range shots as there midfield did leave gaps defensively.
     
  10. WS10Wolf

    WS10Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season 2013-14

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    Who would Dicko have come on for? Doyle replaced Henry because Doyle can play that withdrawn striker role. I don't think Dicko can, unless you're suggesting we should have switched to 4-4-2?
     
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    With 5 minutes to go dicko should of come on for any tom, dick or harry. We needed to score, we needed to win. To make one sub and the one sub being doyle was ridiculous and could cost us the play offs.
     
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    All getting far too (pseudo)-scientific on here. Dicko scores goals and Doyle doesn't. We needed a goal. We should have brought on a goal-scorer.
     
  13. JW

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    Afobe. His movement was being dealt with comfortably in the second half, and they read the service into him. Not his fault, but dickos different runs and linking up with sako would have added a different test to their defence
     
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    This
     
  15. we8wba

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    Bournmouth we didn't make any when required

    Yesterday same, henry non effective behind afobe, doyle should come on at latest hour mark, but why bring him on five left? He's never going to win you game even if his link up play was good

    Why even have Jacobs on bench if never ever gets the nod
     
  16. 1312

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    Last two games Jackett's lack of changes have hurt us. The game was there for the taking yesterday.
     
  17. JW

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    What baffles me is the way he makes random team changes (some say to keep the squad fresh) but then fails to use 3 subs most games. It's concerning.
     
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    I actually agreed with him yesterday. We couldn't afford to lose as it would have been a six point swing in Watford's favour. I agreed with Doyle coming on too as we needed that deep role rather than someone stretching them like Dicko.
     
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    Jacobs must be tearing his hair out. Why even bother naming him on the bench?
     
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    Not even so much bringing on Nouha, Jacobs would of added fresh impetus on the wing or in the number ten role.
     
  21. JW

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    Surely you prefer 3 subs to come on at 100 % as opposed to 3 ayers being 70%.

    I would have :

    - switched RVLP for Jacobs(put Henry on right Jacobs central)
    - put dicko on for Henry
    - Edwards on for afobe (dicko up top Edwards in hole , Jacobs wide of the 3)
     
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    Subs have to be able to get up to the pace right away. Dicko and Jacobs never do particularly well when coming off the bench. I could see the case for Edwards perhaps.
     
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    So just to check...

    Sub 1 you would have had:

    Henry, Jacobs, Sako
    Afobe

    Sub 2:

    Dicko, Jacobs, Sako
    Afobe

    Sub 3:
    Jacobs, Edwards, Sako
    Dicko

    All in the last 30 mins? I'm all for giving Jacobs a run in the hope but 15 mins before being pushed out wide right?
     
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    What i don't get at the moment is:
    1) 4-4-2 : Edwards plays central midfield looking lost and ineffective. Best suited with a 3 man midfield and can make them late runs.
    2) 4-2-3-1 : Brings Doyle into that number 10 role, yet the best player currently at the club is Edwards.

    I'd then be tempted to take either Sako/VLP off and put Dicko on upfront on his own, move Afobe onto the wider. Someone who can run at players and cut in...

    Subs were baffling to say the least.
     
  25. JW

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    First one correct. Second one 4 4 2 for 5/10 mins Jacobs wide right. Then back to 4 2 3 1 once we go 3 2 up :D
     
  26. JW

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    That's true, but isn't this something to do their warm up routine/ motivation before?
     
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    Could be their reading of the game isn't great. OGS was a master of being a sub as his reading of the game was first class.
     
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    Haha. Fair enough mate. Attack, attack, attack :)
     
  29. JW

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    I always find it easier to come onto a game after watching it, as you can see where the space is and players weaknesses etc. Jacobs is an intelligent player so I'm suprised he struggles when coming on; although not too suprised as 10 mins every 15 games is not going to get his brain match sharp
     
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    4 points behind play offs ; we have to go for it in these games from now. Can't afford to waste the opportunity of gaining points on teams.
     
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    Agree. Which is why I'm quite pleased Jackett has started with more attacking XI's in recent weeks. Looking at Brentford's run-in, draws aren't going to be enough.
     
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    We need one of the others to drop off. Can't see it being derby or Norwich. Boro would be my third top team.

    So your looking at us needing to catch watford or Bournemouth. 1 point out of these 2 games hasn't been enough and will inevitably make us just short I think.
     
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    Questions are often asked about KJ's use of subs and being honest I have to say rarely do they actually make a lot of difference.
     

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