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Stadium update.

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by SanFranWolf, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. SanFranWolf

    SanFranWolf Transfer summary thread supremo

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    since the completion of the new North Bank and our fall out of the greed league, it's been very quiet with regards to news about the stadium.

    Given we're coming to the end of the season does anyone here or at the club have an update on the discussion about safe standing, plans for the ground in general or updated timetables?
     
  2. Penk Wolf

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    The update is...............there is no update.
     
  4. andyc225

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    On hold until a return to the Prem is achieved.
     
  5. It takes half price tickets against a top team in a vital game to get 28K so I suspect any new development will be years away. In any case symmetry is very overrated.
     
  6. TeddyWolf

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    Sedgley Gold N Black has heard something about the plans changing. He's mentioned it in the Pulis/Safe standing thread, but will say nothing more.
     
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    I completely agree !
     
  8. Berlin Wolf

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    SanFran, good call. It will be three years in August since the new North Bank was completed..

    Hopefully, with Compton finished, Steve Morgan will now turn to the SB and consider making his move.

    I hope he sticks with the original plan, or makes improvements to it.

    Otherwise, more time will go by.. the years do go past quick, and SM will be retiring, selling up, etc.

    Time will tell, and will no doubt hinge on Wolves being in the Prem.
     
  9. 306NOTOUT

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    The New North bank will be done before the Steve Bull
     
  10. Berlin Wolf

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    Do you mean a new South Bank, 306.

    The new North Bank is but three years old.
     
  11. Oaky65

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    Do you mean south bank?
     
  12. 306NOTOUT

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    No, it will take that long to get round to doing the Steve Bull they will have to start with the North Bank again.
     
  13. Berlin Wolf

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    That could be true, we do seem to get a new North Bank every 20 years. :)
     
  14. 306NOTOUT

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    I did meet the commercial manager back some time (3 years ago) and he told me the Billy Wright would be done before the rest of the stands, not sure if this is still the case.
     
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    Theres a chance youre right, but I'm pretty sure the steve bull is virtually past its designated lifespan, its got to be 15 years older than the BW. Why the NB was rebuilt first and not the Steve bull just seemed wrong IMO.

    I'd love it if this stupid seating/ standing question was sorted BEFORE we plan for the new stands, because it could alter the atmosphere/ shape of the ground massively.
     
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  16. Berlin Wolf

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    Think the Billy Wright will be the very last stand to be redeveloped and that is a long way down the line.

    After Steve Morgan`s time at Wolves most probably.

    Unless a miracle happens, and we start playing in the Champions League regularly.

    The Billy Wright stand is an excellent stand, our main stand and functions very well.

    No, the 36 year old Steve Bull stand must be next, it has aged, and may even be condemned one day soon.
     
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    Personally Berlin Wolf, I hope SM's immediate priority is team strengthening.

    We have the nucleus of a good team, but some additions are still necessary to make us serious Premiership contenders.
    I like the spirit, and determination the team is displaying right now, if we can inject a touch of midfield quality similar to that of the opposition last Friday, we're not far away.
     
  18. Rhoswolf

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    Well let's hope they make a better job of it next time:mad:!!
     
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    I agree 100% with everything you say GA, it makes perfect sense.

    As much as I want a new Steve Bull stand, proper team strengthening comes first.

    Unless there was enough money for both projects, and I doubt that.

    We are talking of many tens of millions for both. It is a fortune really.

    So, very unlikely, as Kenny did well to get his two million quid for Afobe from SM.
     
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    Next stage of stadium is estimated to cost some 25million. But this would surely be funded in the main by a mortgage over, say, 15 years. That is how infrastructure development is normally funded at least.

    And of course, again as with any infrastructural development, the money adds value to the club as a whole, as well as increasing the possible revenue.

    So the presentation of investment like this as simply spending is very one-sided.

    The worst of all of this to me, however, is the club's refusal to make regular public statements about future projects to their main stakeholders, ie the fans. Its terrible PR, and reinforces the sense of aloof, old-fashioned management who simply take the customer for granted.
     
  21. reanswolf

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    It really makes you wonder if it was ever really viable in the first place.

    Team strengthening demands will always be there.
     
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    Stadium expansion insitu is probably now only economically driven if the club is outside the Premier League. Up there, increased gate returns are dwarfed by television income. Clubs up there typically do it when they can move to a new location and fund the development through selling the existing land. Not an option for Wolves. In years gone by, the extra revenue from larger gates would be a driver, but now you get a higher return from finishing in the PL, or qualifying for the Champions League. If your ground needs upgrading for safety or maintenance reasons then that's different. You could also argue that a well designed ground, full of home supporters, will improve on field performance, so that may be a driver for some clubs like Wolves, without enclosed grounds.
     
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    I hope the rumour about a change of plans means the Steve Bull and Billy Wright are rebuilt to form a horseshoe with the North Bank.

    The South Bank should be the last stand to be rebuilt by which time the safe standing issue will hopefully be resolved one way or the other. If safe standing is given the green light then the South Bank could merely be refurbished at that time or rebuilt at a later date. Either way it is imperative for Stadium atmosphere that the South Bank stand remains a single tier kop.
     
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    One option might be to develop the Steve Bull as the new grandstand with the club offices and dressing rooms, then reconfigure the Billy Wright to expand the concourses and facilities for supporters on match days. No need to demolish the BW just fix what is wrong, which is the cramped concourses. The SB is however past it's sell by date and needs replacing.
     
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    Surely the only value of molineux is the land? I can't see there being a massive queue of takers for a football stadium in Wolverhampton no matter what the capacity or how symmetrical it is.
     
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    Utterly ridiculous post
     
  27. Gornal

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    The value of something is only what someone will pay for it. How is that ridiculous?
     
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    It's crazy isn't it.
    I remember the E&S report with Morgan when the development was first mentioned after he bought the club, and it was after he'd inspected the Steve Bull stand with horror and realised it was holding us back commercially, a real bad use of space on top of being very cramped.
    They couldn't even sell the Executive boxes because nobody wanted to pay full whack and have to sit behind a plate glass window like they did 30 years ago.
    We got rid of the Uni from the back of the stand a few years ago, so is it just sitting empty ?

    Here we are 8 years later and it's still standing, but we replaced a stand that didn't really need doing. It's typical of Wolves, they don't plan or finish many jobs successfully, no matter who the owner is.
     
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    They simply pulled down the wrong stand.

    I don't buy into this 'Oh the Steve Bulls got the old power station in it'.

    Well they could have built a new one on the North Bank car park, like they did and then pulled it down.

    It's miles away from the pitch AGAIN.
     
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    Wolves dont own the land.
     
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    Theres so much empty land around Wolverhampton inner city, theres been about 4 supermarket plans, the demand for apartments except for student flats is very low so I'd imagine land value is quite low.
    Not sure what the news is re: steve bull stand redevelopment, but I'm sure the club will make it as anti-fan driven and pro-corporate as possibly as they did with the North Bank.

    Saying that, I'd happily let the club build a double row of boxes in the new steve bull if the posh seats at the back of the north bank were turned into a place where fans will stand at the back and sing.
     
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    TEAM

    TEAM

    TEAM

    Lets learn the lessons of history and get ourselves a right good team first, one capable of staying in the Premier League!

    Then everything else will follow on .....
     
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    ps, it does'nt work the other way around!
     
  34. WonderWolf

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    Logic.

    Developing something that in terms of actual need is inextricably linked to progression makes little sense. If Morgan is going to commit to 'realistically' operating in the 'great competition and the best league in the world' he should go for it.....no point otherwise.
     
  35. Peszkywolf

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    Realistically, how have Southampton kept competing and punching above their weight? They built a new ground with all the non-matchday stuff, and I guess they spent a decent amount on their youth system, which they have reaped the rewards from even more so.

    Glad Morgans developed the youth part of wolves, I don't mind the unbalanced look of molineux, a ground looks good when its full and making noise.
     
  36. TFWanderers

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    I hate the way the ground looks at the moment.

    The Stan Cullis looks ridiculous compared to the rest of the stadium.
     
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    All things considered, a Borussia Park clone next to the motorway probably wasn't such a bad idea. At least it would've all been finished.
     
  38. Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)

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    Just want them to leave the South Bank alone after the almighty $$$$ up they made of the North Bank.
     
  39. SanFranWolf

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    A lot of people seem to want an all safe standing single tier South Bank I bet you'd like that.
     
  40. woop woop barmy army

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    Intresting but has anybody seen the cellars under the Steve bull stand. Lead to believe it's where old houses used to stand and was never knocked down.
     

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