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Stadium Feasibility report results.

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by SanFranWolf, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. SanFranWolf

    SanFranWolf Transfer summary thread supremo

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    I was just looking at a picture of Molineux up in our house and was wondering (after Jez announced the pause in starting work) what the results of the feasibility study to increase the capacity determined...

    I re-read was Jez said on the web site and it was pretty vague.

    I think he was trying to make sure no-one got too excited (or disapointed given the delay) which was smart, but it would be great to hear in a bit more detail what the plans might be - even if it's just the ideas that were dreamed up...

    I don't suppose anyone has more information or is willing to bring it up at the next fans parliment?

    From what I remember the options that we floated about on here were:

    1. Dig down on all four sides of the ground and extend the stands downwards closer to the pitch.

    2. Take the roof off the South Bank and build a new tier, turning it into a two tier stand.

    3. Knock down the Steve Bull stand and rebuild it completely.

    4. Take the roof off the North bank and turn that into a two tier stand, we had a long debate about the structure and cantilevers though I remember...

    5. Extending the Billy quiet backwards towards Waterloo road to either put another deck on it or just extend the top tier.

    6. Fill in the corners.

    7. Build some extra community based stuff into the design like apartments and/or rental space for businesses.

    8. Put the 'big' screens somewhere else.

    The wikipedia page for the stadium is pretty poor but you can find it here.

    Here's the pic of the 60's redesign off the London Wolves web site for good measure too...

    Our kid also tells me the hotel is pretty much done too? - if history is anything to go by that's a good omen for this season...
     
  2. leedswolf

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    Since when was 'dig down' an option?
     
  3. London Wolves

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    Jez hinted at a new 2 tier North bank linking up with the Billy Q & Steve Bull. Before that he was always saying the Steve Bull would be knocked down first!

    Don't know how this will move the stands nearer the pitch???
     
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  4. PabloWolfo

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    Digging down has been an option for some time.
     
  5. leedswolf

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    News to me then Pablo. I thought it was iust ulven and a couple of others posting on here to were going off into the realms of fantasy. I didn't realise that WWFC was considering such an utterly expensive way to develop the ground/
     
  6. PabloWolfo

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    Well, I've got my ear to the ground and finger on the pulse, you see...;)

    TBH though, regarding potential expense of certain ideas against benefits, I guess that's what feasibility studies are for. I would imagine that the cost of the idea would depend upon how the 4 stands were constructed at or below current ground level, although it's certainly not my field of expertise.
     
  7. bod101

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    if i remember correctly the dig down isn't possible due to the water table
     
  8. leedswolf

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    I'm just surprised that given Steve Morgan's background that he would consider the dig down option.

    The removal and disposal of upwards of 45k tonnes of excavated material.
    Underpinning the foundations of 4 major structures to prevent collapsel
    Establishing a new pitch drainage system
    Expensive costs of using concrete to construct the additional stand spaces

    That's just for starters ..............
     
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  9. They will have a temp plan if promotion is achieved.

    I personally would pull the video screen down in the corner between the steve bull and southbank and put a temp stand there too, along with a new Graham Hughes temp stand.

    Capacity would be around 31-32k then?

    If we stay up, then consider building.
     
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    If I remember correctly one of the aims stated by morgan was to try and get the stands closer to the pitch for better atmosphere, so digging down would have been one way to achieve this, otherwise it requires moving at least one probably two stands. as Bod says it seems that digging down isn't feasible, and would probably have been an expensive option, I think it's good that they've looked at all the options though.
     
  11. Would be cheaper and easier to demolish the current stands and start fresh.
     
  12. Mugwump

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    even if the dig down was possible, which as bod said probably isnt, surely we would have to dig a massive amount of ground away to bring the stands closer to the pitch. I`ll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but i think it would be a good move to relocate.
     
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    As I posted earlier, upwards of 45k tonnes ......................

    A dig down is possible. The high groundwater table could be catered for using various geotechnical materials, drainage and pumping stations if required, but it would come with a cost ................

    It would be cheaper to demolish and rebuild .................
     
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  14. SsgWolf

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    Digging down was one of the things that did for Fiorentina a few years ago IIRC, costs spiralled out of control?
     
  15. 62p a Can

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    It's also been done at Ibrox. Only added a few rows to each stand though. Converting the Steve Bull to a single tier stand would bring it closer to the pitch & would increase capacity.
     
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    They wouldn't have to dig down all that far too increase capacity, if you consider that one entire row of the two sides stands is 300 and behidn the goals 150, for every row they dug down they would increase the capacity by 900.
     
  17. Atlas 1951

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    Relocation isn't really an option for Wolves because of the special lease they have on the Molineux Grounds, a product of the council's rescue packages of the nineteen eighties. Teams relocate by selling town-centre sites and moving out; Wolves haven't got any land to sell, and thus relocation would be cripplingly expensive.

    I think the idea of having a pokey little ground where players can hear fans threaten to knife them is in danger of being blown out of proportion. My adopted home ground is an oval, cranked affair (the sides are about as far away from the pitch as the Mol, but the effect extends to the goal ends as well), and when full it's probably better than anything I ever experienced in England. But then it has a capacity of close to 60,000. Wolves received plenty of compliments on the atmosphere of Molineux during the Prem season. More fans will mean more atmosphere. I don't think it's that big a deal.
     
  18. SanFranWolf

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    What stadium's that Atlas?
     
  19. leedswolf

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    That was because of the small footprint that Ibrox has. That isn't a problem at Molineux.

    So MS you would advocate expensive dig down for an extra row of seats? How far are you expecting to dig down?
     
  20. Dewsburywolf

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    The clue's in the name tag.
     
  21. SanFranWolf

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    Duh. Got it, Estadio Jalisco right?
     
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    Can we have one of those please?
     
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    I don't know why we haven't looked into cantilevering a stand above the pitch so spectators get a birds eye view of the pitch. The framework could be based on the alton towers nemesis ride, so fans would be strapped into their 'seat', with their feet dangling over the pitch. We'd be the first club to do such a thing which would make excellent pr, which would in turn attract new fans, would extend the capacity and would cost relatively little. As a bonus we could invite south bank ticket holders to attend and just leave them up there until decomposition sets in.
     
  24. Dewsburywolf

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    Maybe in 7 or 8 years time if we're really lucky. Let's get to the Prem and consolidate first.
     
  25. Atlas 1951

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    That's the one, SFW. That photo gives a good view of the maximum distance from the pitch, which is largely counterbalanced by the fact that the sides are steep (it is actually very cramped, particularly in the upper tier). The trouble with having a straight stand bang up against the side of the playing area is that it is uncomfortable for fans to have to turn their necks to watch the game, particularly if they are at one extreme of the stand. Morgan's from a different era of course, as are many on here (I myself starting going before the Molineux Street Stand was demolished), and associates certain values with a home advantage, but by gaining one thing you would have to sacrifice something else, and I get the idea that a lot of people do not realize this.

    I think the question is a bit of a distraction. Get Premiership status, fill in the corners, perhaps build the Steve Bull where it currently is but with a steeper slope to it and the boxes higher up, and you will have a very functional ground.

    Oh, and don't mind Dewsbury ;)
     
  26. Atlas 1951

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    If they sold tortas ahogadas outside the ground, and brought beer directly to your seat, I'd probably come straight home! :D
     
  27. Dewsburywolf

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    Make that a possiblility and I'll pay your fare. ;)
     
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    You would if you visited the place pal. :rolleyes:
     
  29. shrewsbury_wolf

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    Made a quick mockup of what I think will be the first step of expanding Molineux.
     
  30. Mugwump

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    45k tonnes doesnt seem a lot to me Leeds. With the gap from the pitch to the SB and BW stands i`d have thought we would have to go pretty deep. Also, the gap isnt as big from the north and south banks to the pitch as it is from the SB and BW stands. Anyone have any ideas how it would work evening it all out?
     
  31. SanFranWolf

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    That's a very good 'quick' mockup Shrewbury! Would be great to see what you (or anyone else) could do with the rest of the stands...
     
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    Cheers SanFran, anything in particular you would like to see? What I can show all depends on the images of Molineux I can find to base the 'virtual expansion' on.
     
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    I did state upwards of 45k tonnes.

    A rough calculation based on a 4.5m deep excavation at 100m x 100m in plan = 45k cubic metres. A cubic metre of earth is approx 1 tonne.
     
  34. SanFranWolf

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    Good question...

    Maybe the 'New' South bank (without the corners filled in) might look a bit like the old North Bank at Highbury or maybe the Holte End at the Villa?

    I've always thought the South Bank should one day return to being 'big', like it was when I was a kid.

    Here's another interesting mockup I found, this ones of Villa Park...
     
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  35. Atlas 1951

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    Surely the actual South Bank isn't much -- if at all -- smaller than the old one, but rather the rest of the ground is much larger than it was?
     
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    old south nank held over 20,000 - granted this was terraced but it was huge in its time, one of biggest in country behind the kop, and sheff wed
     
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    Just about to write tha same thing myself Greco. South Bank was only behind the Liverpool Kop in terms of size which held 26,000 yet looked deceptively small.
     
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    thanks, bigger than the old holte end.

    would like the south bank to be like the new holte end, very impressive (if we could fill it)
     
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    Surely the kippax stand at man city was bigger?
     
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    But the Kippax wasn't an 'End" ....................

    The Kippax was fairly unique insofar as the vocal support was in a side stand contrary to the more popular 'Kops' at the vast majority of the other grounds.
     
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