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Signing of Afobe + Keeping Sako

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Moira Stewart, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. Moira Stewart

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    Looks like they will be the two main things to come out of the transfer window, does that represent a good window to you??
     
  2. NewarkWolf

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    No, promotion is entirely possible this season with one or two more additions, we currently don't have the strength in depth to challenge and our attacking options are too limited.
     
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    No. We need competition for Edwards and another CM to compete with Price, McDonald and Evans. If we could get one of those two in I'd be happy, even if we do just go for loans from the big boys.
     
  6. OsloWolf

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    Not at all. We are so close, but this is not going to be enough imo.
     
  7. NewarkWolf

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    The team before Afobe was top of the league and no lower than 9th???? considering we only came up last season KJ himself said we were never going to add 4/5 players to the first team. The squad is good enough as it is to achieve play offs. The issue is how that team get set up which ultimately has meant we haven't caused opposition enough problems around the box which is down to KJ. Too much emphasis on possession rather than attacking play. The players can do it, the tactics resrict it
     
  8. NewarkWolf

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    Adding more players without changing the tactics at home won't change that much imo ( with who we could realistically purchase )
     
  9. bod101

    bod101 Admin & No.4

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    no not whatsoever. it lacks ambition and a high risk policy of hoping no gets injured and stays in form and even then there still needs to be improvement. all this consolidation talk is $$$$$$$$ if we dont go up we start to lose our better players and then its rebuild again and so on and so forth.
     
  10. wwbug

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    We recently bought and Saville, Rowe, Jacobs yet they are not played , so if they were needed they need replacing . At this moment we are without Sako so I see us as being weaker than in the later days of Division One.
     
  11. NewarkWolf

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    I agree so it's beggers belief why KJ wanted his boss to spunk a million on Saville when he wasn't going to improve the team. Stupid decision entirely!!
     
  12. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    No we needed an attacking midfielder (no.10), striker and winger.

    We've signed the striker and have gotten away without that winger whilst Sako's away but we still haven't got that attacking midfielder which is a must.
     
  13. wwbug

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    In answer - Why would a club of Wolves size with all its advantages not add 4/5 players when it got out of Division One ? To me that is unusual and very disappointing. I also think KJ showed a great ability to set up an attacking winning and entertaining style last year so he must have his reasons for going negative this season.
     
  14. WeAreTheWolves

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    Not really, I really don't like how keeping Sako will become a 'positive'.

    I never in a million years thought/think we would sell him given we have a shot at promotion, it is clearly worth the risk of losing him on a free.
    So I dont think we should count this, but of course the line will be that it was the biggest thing of the window.
     
  15. Penk Wolf

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    I've said for a while now that the summer is the make or break for me. Not too concerned what happens in this window.
     
  16. JOSWolf

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    Nope. Not at all. We have no competition for Edwards and we need another winger with pace. It is pretty obvious we lack options and this will cost us a top six place, in my opinion, in what is a pretty average league, this season.
    Not good enough by Wolves.
     
  17. Adrian_Monk

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    By our recent standards it would constitute a successful January.
     
  18. Tring Wolf

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    Half-decent for me.

    The Afobe signing was a good, ambitious (and fairly expensive) piece of business by the club and I'm pretty happy with the captures of Kuszchak and Graham. Also good to get Foley's wages off the books and the loan of Saville was sensible.

    If we can bring in another couple of decent players towards the end of the window, I'll class it as a good one. If not, more of a 5 or 6 out of 10.
     
  19. BrummieNick

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    No Afobe was needed months ago and Sako was never going anywhere until the end of the season. At least 3 required 2 permanent and a loan.
     
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    Agree entirely.

    Good players leave unambitious clubs. I keep repeating this golden rule, but it is fundamental to how the game works now, especially on the critical cusp between Premier and Championship.

    Wolves are now in a position to attract a better standard of player, with the prospect of a promotion run-in. Now is precisely the time to make a big signing, will be harder in the summer.

    The obsession with buying younger players is also sign of a bull$$$$ value for money policy. Saville was "young and promising", but is actually $$$$. Hopefully Afobe doesnt fall into the same category. But Wolves need a proven winner now for that crucial position of extra attacker. STicking with #oddgoodgameDave will see us just miss out. As was said at the start of this transfer window, it would clarify exactly what the scope of ambition was under Morgan. There's a little time left but it looks like he is heading for a predictable 5 out of 10.
     
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    No still an attacker short
     
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    Good post.

    We have Sako until the end of this season. We should have made the most of this opportunity to go up whist it still presents itself. Pleased with Afobe, however- but need another biggish creative, attacking signing to take us up a notch. I hope the club do realise this, and have been looking for one, whether it comes off or not.
     
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    Firstly why should next summer be any different from last summer ? In fact last summer we should have upped a gear as we upped a league.
     
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    Keeping Sako would be a boost if it happens. We know KJ wants to sign another attacker so if that doesn't happen that must come down as a pathetic failure by Thelwell/Moxey. If that extra attacker comes in as a fully fledged first team player who can improve the team then I would say, by Wolves standards of doing the absolute minimum, not too bad although of course much more is needed.

    As I have said since the summer I don't really believe the club are really going for promotion this season. If KJ manages top six with an under-resourced squad then so be it for the two Ms. If we just fail that would suit them equally. Everything about the Window so far points to mere stabilisation in the second division as being fine by the owner and his CEO. As for Akobe, as already mentioned, six months late and we badly need someone else far better to replace Leon Clarke but no second best suits the club right now as it so often has under Moxey.
     
  25. Moira Stewart

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    We definitely missed a trick in the summer and saw Brentford go from a side who finished comfortably behind us last season to one who looks very likely to finish above us this season. The difference in our transfer policy last summer was like chalk and cheese and whilst we stood still and self congratulated oursleves on an outstanding season and records broken they went about their business of constructing a side capable of challenging in the Championship.
     
  26. Penk Wolf

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    Fairly simple, all of the high earners will be off the wage bill, so there is no excuses. I don't think people realise what impact the likes of Doyle, Johnson, Foley, O'Hara, etc. have on cashflow.
     
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    Didn't their net earnings equal the parachute payment ?
     
  28. Penk Wolf

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    Don't know, I'm not privy to what they earn and we'll have another parachute payment next season.
     
  29. North West Wanderer

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    Premature thread.

    However if you asked me this on Tuesday, I'd say no.
     
  30. wwbug

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    Penk- Although we both don't know you must see what I mean. It is a strong counter claim to those extra wages,. And talking of cashflow , when prioritising 2014 £8 million of it went into bricks and mortar - again .
     
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    Yeah, I do see what you mean. I'm not sure the second bit is true.
     
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    Even Jackett said he wanted to bring in new faces to strengthen our options when the window opened and we have effectively signed one first team player so far.
    No where near good enough but sadly predictable.
    You can almost guarantee that when Kenny is inevitably asked about possible incomings, at tomorrows pre match press conference, nothing will be imminent or no nearer a signing and then onto deadline day when we will be sat hoping against hope that we bring in a much needed couple of signings to be met with stonewall silence from Molineux and the classic there is always the loan market crap!
     
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  33. SanFranWolf

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    Good to see you posting Moira - don't think I've seen you for a while?

    My answer is no I think at this point we're a wide player, and a number 10/attacking midfielder short.
     
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    If this is the position we find ourselves in when the window closes then it has to be deemed a poor window...again.

    There is still time, but we have no track record for last minute deals under Morgan / Moxey.

    It doesn't look good.
     
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    It doesn't does it! Not good enough.
     
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    But with the vast sums of money to be gained even from abject failure up in the Greed League why would it somehow suit ' the club" not to go up- Im afraid I really can't see any logic in that arguement!?
     
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    Agree. No happy surprises towards the end of the window for us Wolves fans. Not impressed at all.
     
  38. DasWolf

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    Afobe seems like a good signing, but only time will tell.

    We really need an attacking creative midfielder, a creative pacy winger (preferably with a better end product than VLP).

    Another solid striker and defender for cover + options would be good.
     
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    Correct.

    Increasing the value of WWFC takes priority over improving the first team squad.

    Unfortunately this will always be the case under Steve Morgan's ownership as his own pocket comes first.
     
  40. Big Nosed Wolf

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    It all rather depends on what exactly the 'ambitions' are.

    If it is to stay 'top six' in the Championship then it'll do given the job done by KJ inside two years.

    If it's 'top six' PL then it's woeful.

    Morgan will of course want the PL. There should be no doubt about that as that is where his 'spend within the means and make a profit' will be delivered. To think he wouldn't want that is daft.

    The problem is the old one, mainly. We have an owner who wants to 'look after' the club but is out of his depth and so relies heavily on his 'advisers'. KJ has done everything that was asked of him so far and looks a good 'fit' for the club, in style and potential.

    Between Morgan and KJ we have Thelwell and of course the Chief Advising Officer.

    All the speculative interpretation of some of KJ's interviews still points to him being a bit concerned about how he can have the 'final say' on serious 'targets'.

    So, the bridge between KJ, doing his job well and Morgan, resolute that he will only fund to a 'level' and has spent much time and effort on the Academy which he (rightly) thinks is a must have, we have a failing 'structure'. Moxey and Thelwell.

    The push for promotion had to come last summer really. Not that it is 'too late' but it might be by this summer. The aftermath of the Board's overseeing of the freefall, and the owners seeming petulance on making an example of players, has hampered any 'big' signings, even if they were going to come to a club that for the last fifteen years the overpaid CEO has helped to manage to dilute to a steady second tier outfit.

    Should KJ manage to gel a promotion this year it just might save the club from untold years as a 'feeder' club with an outstanding Academy.

    Perhaps we have an owner who, for whatever reason/s, is stilll blinded by his view that his chief adviser is 'the best in the business'.

    I can't see why he thinks that given fifteen years of second best achievement on top class pay.

    Who really knows anyway? Without true involvement not anyone on here. It is looking all a bit familiar though. 'Bubbling under' the play offs.
     
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