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Safe Standing - what do you think?

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  1. Seasider

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  2. Essex Wolf

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    Got a yes from me.

    Some of my best days following Wolves were standing on the old South Bank. Wolves scoring and ending up several yards from where you started.

    Know it's unlikely to ever go back to those days but safe standing is a choice people should be allowed.
     
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    Yes from me and a massive well done to Villa for being proactive in the matter unlike West Brom and ourselves (unfortunately).
     
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    I voted yes but its only 80.6% in favour right now, not the much higher figure quoted at the start of the article, but any majority would be enough to fill a standing end at any ground.

    My reasons in summary:

    1 Its a winter game and its warmer when you stand and move around.
    2 One third of adults over 40 have bad backs and standing is more comfortable for this.
    3 You can stand with your mates, so its more of a social occasion.
    4 Its safer than standing in seated areas.
    5 Those against it can still have seats.
    6 Singing is louder, fellowship is better and so there is a greater willingness to sing, so atmosphere is better.
    7 Capacity is greater.
    8 Prices should be cheaper, so people who can't afford it now can come along, so attendances are bigger.
     
  6. North West Wanderer

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    Yes in one stand, and highly regulated too.

    I still have my doubts that this will go through any time soon.
     
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    What do you mean by this?

    Football is already, after airport security, one of the most heavily regulated/controlled/restricting aspects of society.
     
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    Tickets for every game and people sticking to where they should be.

    If it is going to be done, it has to be water tight in this political environment.
     
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    Bit alarmist NNW
     
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    I had friends at Hillsborough, that's why.
     
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    I'm no fan of the restrictive health and safety nonsense that pervades everything in life these days, but fan safety is the key issue here in football stadiums with such high numbers of bums on seats (or not as it were)

    If it does go ahead and I hope it does, there will have to be compromises to make it work. Fans would still have to be issued with a safe standing numbered place to stand. Like it or not, football clubs have got a duty of care imposed upon them to ensure that fans are safe.
     
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    Who on earth is voting 'no' to this? I don't want to stand at football anymore but I can understand those who do. It's a no brainer.

    As PumpKing states above, there will have to be compromises. It won't be like 1980 anymore.

    Awful as it was, Hillsborough and Heysel happened in a different era and people voting no because of this are sadly misguided. The media are partly to blame for making anyone support safe standing feel like they are disrespecting the victims of past tragedies. What is needed is calm consideration of the safety aspects and practicalities, followed by a regulated standard (see the German league for blueprints) for standing zones within stadiums.
     
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    Don't forget this is a poll run by the e and s not strictly football supporters.
     
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    I know 2 tragedies is still 2 too many but after all the years of football & people standing in all sorts of grounds it wasn't really a common problem.

    It's quite simple, have a 10k standing terrace, sell 10 thousand tickets. It shouldn't happen but even if people bunch up there would still be space to move about & people aren't penned in anymore, especially in what would be a 1 tiered terrace going straight onto the pitch for us.

    And now we own the pub land we can extend the concourse of the South Bank & make full use of that space, in the long term a fully packed out pub/fanzone/concourse area would make more money than car park spaces & Morgan knows this. With the right timing we could have one of the best stands in the country.
     
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    It's a definite Yes from me- then perhaps those who pay (often exorbitant prices) for seats ( if that is their preference) might be allowed to actually use them and be able to see the game.
     
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    Spot on
     
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    It wasn't the fact that people were standing up that caused the problems leading to the Hillsborough tragedy. I'd be very happy with a return to standing using the rail seats that have been successful in Germany.
     
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    Matt Grayson said any discussions must be backed by facts..

    Backed by facts, so Matt, please look at how big football stadiums in Germany operate.

    Use Germany as a role model. Facts there show safe standing works without problems..

    Mentioned Dortmund before. They average 80,000 at home, and have a 25,000 safe standing Kop..

    A fully redeveloped Molineux with standing could be made to work, and work well, holding 40,000 plus.

    A 10-12,000 standing South Bank would allow those who wanted to stand, to stand.

    A similar capacity to a full old North Bank, so very managable with safety buílt in.

    Spokesman Matt Grayson said any discussions must be ‘backed by facts’ and added: “We are keeping a close eye on developments and will see if it will have any part of future developments at Molineux.”
     
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    I imagine that any new South Bank would be based on the Südtribüne anyway since it would fit nicely with the shape of the new South East Corner which will be built beforehand. Steve Morgan, being a Red, likes single-tiered Kop stands.

    The atmosphere in the one we have is very poor of late.
     
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    Obviously a big YES. ... If it's done properly then no-one should worry about safety aspects. It makes the game a whole lot more enjoyable and encourages noise and more camaraderie with fellow fans.

    In all honesty I used to enjoy the surges, etc also but acknowledge the pant wetters would never tolerate this nowadays. Hence the "safe" design features that will (quite rightly) be implemented.

    The root cause of the Hillsborough disaster wasn't simply due to the fact that standing was involved and the lessons have been learned and adjustments can be made easily to stadium design to prevent that kind of thing happening again.
     
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    Absolutely, but it is still a political hot potato, and if it is done, will HAVE to be highly regulated.
     
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    To be honest, I don't care either way. Does it increase the enjoyment of football or is it simply a yearning for the days of old?

    I am old enough to remember the surge forward when we scored a goal and young enough to remember being squashed against the metal posts (a bit scary).

    A 10k terrace, assuming it was full, would have left 10k in the rest of the ground on Saturday...not sure how good that would be.

    Germany have proved it can work if done right so I don't see the problem, just don't see the attraction either.
     
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    So the poll results are affected by who is running it?
     
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    I voted Yes.

    I'd like to see the plans for the redevelopment of Molineux revised to include safe standing single tiered South Bank.
     
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    No but they are effected by the audience.

    Obviously the Express and Star readership is not simply football supporters.
     
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    Anyone who doesn't wish to stand will have a choice of over 34,000 seats. I can't understand the opposition.
     
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    As I've said before, a safe standing single-tiered South Bank the size of the North Bank would be fearsome. I'm a North Banker but if the SB was to be rebuilt as safe standing I would emigrate there, so to say :D

    Those who are against the idea have got three other stands to sit in.
     
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    I'm in the North Bank and I have a great seat with a good view and I'm surrounded by a decent bunch - but it is a bit sterile.

    I would seriously consider heading to the South Bank if it was a safe standing terrace. It would so improve the atmosphere at Molineux.
     
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    I'm not a STH but whenever I go I always try to get into the NB upper, and as you say the view is great. I also agree that it's slightly sterile.

    I would definitely move to the SB if it went to safe standing. Make it happen Jez!
     
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    Out of interest:

    Would you expect to pay more, less or the same for safe standing as you do now?

    If Safe standing came in but the ticket price was higher...would you pay it to stand?
     
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    Bring it in now at all grounds; as people have said it will give people the choice that they want.

    I prefer to sit (My choice) but currently I don't have that choice at most away grounds as people stand in seated areas. The current situation suits nobody; bring back standing and give people the choice.
     
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    I prefer to sit to be honest (more so now I can actually fit my legs in the seats in the NB), but definitely think there should be the option for those who want to stand, which it seems there are a hell of a lot of. Anything to improve the atmosphere in Molineux gets the thumbs up from me.
     
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    No. Safe standing, I would hope, would be cheaper.
     
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    "10-12,000 standing South Bank would allow those who wanted to stand, to stand"

    It would need bigger concourses for a start
    It takes me 10 minutes to go for a $$$$ now
    I'm all for safe standing though
     
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    I prefer to sit these days but there should be a safe standing option for those that want it
     
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    Plenty of room behind and to the side of the stand to make it happen. If you look at sheff utd's kop they've got nothing underneath the seats and just stuff by the turnstiles, 10000 capacity stand not much more facilities. In that stand we're not really bothered with comfort lets be honest.

    What I don't want to happen is just a small segregated standing section like Villa have got, and everyone else just sat quietly watching them.
     
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    A big thumbs up for me.i moved to the south bank from the north bank upper.bloody ell there's more noise in a knocking shop.if all the stands were like the north bank i would never go to another match.
     
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    The North Bank atmosphere had declined a lot before the rebuild but the redevelopment has turned it into a proper library. It is a depressing place these days. The Steve Bull is louder than the North Bank these days.

    I'm not sure I would trust Morgan to redevelop the South Bank. It would probably kill the atmosphere and half the fans in it would get soaked every time it rains. The South Bank pretty much is "safe standing" anyway these days so all it needs is official recognition that it is a designated standing area. If the flip down seats also have rails in front then fine.

    As others have mentioned the biggest problem with standing is at away games where most of the away support prefer to stand but those who dont or cant such as the old, the young and the infirm are pretty much excluded from away games or they do it once and never again. If the clubs were just allowed to officially recognise that some fans prefer to stand and others prefer to sit they could start allocating away seating allocations at the rear to "standers" and at the front to "sitters" (a bit like it was at Ninian Park). Problem solved. This pretence by the authorities that standing does not/should not/cannot happen is what causes the problem because the clubs are obliged to go along with the entire charade for legal reasons and fear of getting sued.
     
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    I prefer to stand....not sure I can do it for 90 minutes...two lots of 45 minutes with ten minutes sitting at half time I can do

    That said the best game was Brentford away and their terrace!!! Knees up mother brown love it :D

    Yep sod it let's have free standing NOW with those obligatory video screens
     
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    Why do people want safe standing? What's the main reason for your vote?
     

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