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Rolling on 12 months

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Jonzy54, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

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    I appreciate we still have a reasonable chance of making the Play Offs but it has got me thinking about next season .
    If we don't make it and have an average season finishing around half way will the panic button be hit regarding the manager or would there be an acceptance that this is our lot until we see a regular supply of Academy players coming good?
    I ask the question because in Football League terms 3 years is a long tenure these days and next season is his third.I am not advocating his removal because in my view he stabilised the club after the debacle of consecutive relegations.
     
  2. Big Mack

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    It would be madness to sack him, and I say that as someone sitting on the fence about his ability. The facts seem to be that we aren't investing in the transfer windows and that we do have to be patient. This, in my view, shows not only a lack of ambition by the club in the short term, but also a failure to capitalise on a good position while we have the chance.

    Going up this year would net an absolute fortune, but Wolves don't seem to want to grasp the opportunity. History shows us that this opportunity may not show itself so readily next season, or even for the next five. Without the sides coming down, we'll be faced with the sides that failed in the play offs, a newly bank rolled Sheffield Wednesday, plus a whole host of clubs that will push their way into contention.

    At the beginning of the season I would have settled for tenth upwards as being a good season. In that respect Jackett is still over achieving. If the Board have put their faith in the Academy, then he should be given time to see it come to fruition.
     
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    It took Mick three seasons to get us up so I'd expect Kenny to atleast get the same (at this level) as long as it's not a truly dreadful season where we are fighting relegation and have clearly gone massively backwards which I'm sure we won't.

    A lot will depend on how much ambition the board show to be honest. If they aren't prepared to keep our good young players, we'll be treading water at best and disapproval will grow as it becomes obvious. They'll let Jackett take the fall for it and he'll be gone.

    That is my main concern and would leave us becoming stuck in the championship mid table wilderness.
     
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  4. FLEET WOLF

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    I agree with this.
     
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    spittlep Senior Member

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    100% Agree with this.
     
  6. Berks_WWFC

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    McCarthy's first 3 years = Play Offs, 8th and then Champions.

    I would think/hope promotion would be achievable within this same timeframe, possibly/hopefully a year sooner?
     
  7. Matt

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    We need to build on what we have (a decent Championship side), add 2 or 3 first team players (even if we buy 2, loan 1 or whatever) and aim for a playoff place. We don't need a drastic overhaul in personal, we just need to evolve the first team a bit. I'd be very disappointed if we didn't make the playoffs next year and think Jackett will be feeling the pressure if we don't. I can't see him getting sacked unless we're hovering around the bottom half.
     
  8. Mr Wolf

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    We will need 4 quality first 11 signings next season, whether they are loans, free's, academy lads, £3m signings it doesn't matter, anything less will be disappointing.
     
  9. Jonzy54

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    I agree
     
  10. Essex Wolf

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    That's two of us then.
     
  11. henri_camara

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    12 months time, we will be 15th in the Premier league, semi final of FA Cup approaching, Sako being on 15 premier league goals, Afobe on 15....


    'Cuz We Are Going Up!!
     
  12. Ewok vs Wolf

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    All depends on the ambition from the board. If we've done very little business and are in mid table serious questions will be asked of the board rather than the manager i think.
     
  13. Dewsburywolf

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    In real football terms you ALWAYS have to invest just to stand still never mind improve. In that scenario we've failed this season as only really Afobe & to a lesser degree Van la Parra have actually been added to the first team squad that got us promoted from the tier below (hate the name League 1 it's the Third Division FFS!) with Saville Rowe being the other possible first team additions, not really good enough is it? Then you can add in Hause & Iorfa (good that he is) being promoted from the Academy/reserves to come into the team & then Kuszczak brought in from the loan window but only due to McCarey & then Ikeme getting injured. Of the other two promoted teams Brentford are currently above us having invested pretty wisely (although not taking Saville who played no small part in helping them up) & even Rotherham who are round about mid-table brought in a few players IIRC. No I'm not one of those in the Jackett must go category (sacking managers every five minutes always worked in the past didn't it?) but somebody needs to be held account for us not being as high up as maybe we should be


    Just a side note but is our (the fans) own expectancy to blame for where we are? Where should we really be in the grand scheme of things? Are Wolves a big club (lower Premier League/high Championship) or is the Championship (Second Division FFS!) our actual level these days? Whilst the likes of Swansea have taken what some might call our "rightful place" in the pecking order of football? History of course is just that -- something that happened in the past ---- a bit like Great Britain no longer being an actual "superpower" any more but having to tag along on the coat tails of Europe taking instructions from Brussels
     
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    Spot on Dews, as ever.
     
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    Didn't expect us to go up this year and think KJ has done "OK". We've yet again seen the thinking of those above with minimal investment.

    It's upto Morgan as to whether we go up next season or at least have a tilt. KJ, with ought the players needed would yet again find it hard to get us promoted and as others have said, this league doen't get any easier.

    Without investment next season then, another half hearted attempt at promotion, KJ will be gone. Back to square one.
     
  17. Mr Wolf

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    Agree Dews,

    2 good signings Afobe & La Parra
    2 gambles didn't pay off Rowe & Saville
    2 academy prospects introduced Iorfa & Hause
    2 loan players Sagbo & Graham

    We need to be a bit smarter in the summer but having Afobe in all season will be key next year, other positions should be easier to strengthen in theory.
     
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    Tommy Rowe was hardly a gamble. Didn't cost any money and was blighted by injury so far plus has rarely played in centre midfield. I wouldn't write him off just yet.
     
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    If we don't go up, which is very likely, then new no 10 needed, new central midfielder, new striker to compete with Dicko and Afobe and a new left winger to replace Sako.
    I would try and sign Wells from Huddersfield as the striker. A midfielder like Drinkwater, the No 10 Powell and left winger not sure. Hopefully another player like Sako from abroad would be nice!
     
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  20. Dewsburywolf

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    Sorry to sound pedantic but I'm guessing his wages won't exactly be low even if no transfer fee was involved. I think also the general concensus on here was that he'd be playing alongside K Mac as part of the midfield two in the 4.2.3.1
     
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    This season we've gone off at half-$$$$.

    Afobe (especially) and Van La Parra have certainly improved the attack, and if we'd done the same thing at the other end of the team with a decent midfielder and another good defender I think we'd be right in the mix. The fact we haven't is indicative of the half-hearted way the Board has looked after our fortunes. If they had any real ambition (or even common sense) they'd be trying to get us up THIS season. I fear their 'model' will keep us where we are for as long as they are around: upper mid-table of the Chump.
     
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    Dews, his wages won't be low because he's a quality player.Wait till he's fully fit and playing in centre midfield. He'll bring a lot more to the party than Price and Evans.
     
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    I certainly wouldn't discount Rowe or Saville yet, Agreed this season hasn't been the best but hopefully with a good pre-season under their belts I think they've got something to offer...
     
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    Prepare to be disappointed (again). Even to stand still we have to find an equivalent player to Sako and you can bet your bottom dollar whoever it is they will be inferior. The club will be trawling players coming to the end of their contracts again so one or two 'frees' may be brought in. The only fee of note may be for Sako's replacement. Midfield will be much the same, Wolves never learn. Hause, Iorfa, Evans and Price will be a year older but that doesn't necessarily mean they will get better.

    To any half decent player we will look very average as a prospective club. That is why we will recruit mainly in the third division and try and pick up some reserve rejects from bigger clubs. It will be second/third best all round. While I admire the hope which some people have every summer personally I am tired of having that hope dashed again and again. KJ is a decent manager so we won't get relegated but midtable to 8th is again the best I expect us to achieve. Then there is every chance we will become entrenched in the second division for many, many more seasons.
     
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    I agree BSK-it is never too early to be promoted and all teams have to spend once they are in the PL, but the potential rewards are good, including, of course, the parachute payments. As you say a bit more common sense/ambition and we could be possibly right up there now, which is bloody frustrating. We may of course still go up, it is possible, but then Morgan and Moxey will be $$$$ting themselves because even they know we have to spend a bit of money!
     
  26. Dewsburywolf

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    But it won't be there money will it? It'll be the mega riches provided by Sky/BT so don't you think that they should be going all out to get promoted so that they get to keep their own money (or at least Morgan's) in their pockets?
     
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    I fear I can only see troubling times ahead as SM will never risk money from his own pocket whilst at Wolves; those hoping for major signings next season are going to be very disappointed.

    How is it since returning to Redrow in 2009 he has turned a company that was making a loss into a £Billion pound company making stratospheric profits??
    Well this was achieved by INVESTING in new land and building thousands of new properties. Speculate to accumulate !!!!
    If he had shown Wolves the same passion and respect we could have now been playing regular Champions League football.

    I, like all other supporters, am still praying the miracle of promotion can still happen, but I can see us narrowly missing out on the play-offs and then going backwards next season; a massive opportunity of a double
    promotion has been foolishly thrown away.

    I just cannot understand after all the failings in transfer market (bar Afobe) why the loan window has not been utilised; it is unacceptable given how close to promotion we were/are.
    What is SM playing at; for the sake of saving about £1million quid in loan wages, he is potentially throwing away over £100million and stalling, or even worse, reversing our forward momentum.
    Ok, there is no guarantee it would get us promotion but surely it was worth a try; after all it paid off being brave with Redrow.

    My vision of the near future is KJ wrongly being made the scapegoat and him losing his job.

    I can see players becoming disheartened, especially some of the youngsters KJ has shown faith in, and them wanting to leave.

    I can see SM getting a lot abuse from the fans for cashing in on a youngster or two and ultimately deciding to cash in altogether; the solid assets he invested in will return a handsome profit for him.

    Best of all, I can see new and very wealthy foreign investors wanting to take over one of England's most famous and traditional football clubs who WILL INVEST enough money to take this proud club forward.

    I will be delighted to be proven wrong and we go up next season, if not this season under SM and KJ, but I just cannot see it happening.
     
  28. Mr Wolf

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    Why some people can't see that signing expensive players does not equal success I don't know. For instance 4 of the top 5 scorers in this league did not cost much if anything at all (500k, free, free, loan) with only Jerome at Norwich being any sort of significant fee.
     
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    except spending is very important for success. You only have to look at teams performance in the PL to see that.

    its less clear whether spending helps you get out of this league - I suspect it does but not sure the stats are there to support it.
     
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    I don't agree. £12m last time out and we went down.

    It isn't about how much we spent, it's about how we spend it

    People still expect a player to be better the more money we pay. IMO that's wrong.

    We don't need major surgery, and I'd also argue that bringing more than 4 players in at a time does more harm than good. Sign the right player, Afobe for example and look what happens.
     
  31. reanswolf

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    I agree to some degree, well a minimum of 2. But it will not happen. And infact minimum of 3 with Sako departing.
     
  32. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    I'm naively holding onto the belief that recruitment has been stifled by the bomb squad remnants and that next season, now they're pretty much gone, we'll have more scope to buy players. That said I do think we only need careful additions, not an entire overhaul.
     
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    you can't just look at transfer fees. We had a very low wage bill and tight wage structure. In our first season we actually won the league on the basis of points per £.

    I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion but we shouldnt kid ourselves that good players don't cost either. All teams are looking at the bargains - as an approach its by no means a sure bet.
     
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    Absolutely. I'm merely referring to fees
     
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    Optimous are you talking about the Premier League?

    I would say the wages we pay in this league are just as big as anyone else's even forgetting about Sako, Boukari, Doyle etc
     

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