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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by KAZZZZ, Dec 21, 2008.

  1. KAZZZZ

    KAZZZZ Senior Member

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    Jan window coming up i think we need quality coming in, a lot of people including me have been not impressed with are peformances recently and we seem to be missing something.

    When we played are best football at the start of the season we had a unchanged team mostly, evreybody new there jobs and we desroyed teams on the counter attack, recently mick has choped and changed things and if it were not for are strikers we would have scored a lot less points.

    Kites is playing so badly for his standard because his trying to do to many jobs, his job is to be a winger and help out rb/lb which ever wing his playing on, but because the team are getting out passed in the middle he is trying to come deep and central to get the ball.
    Jarvo is now fit thank god and he is a player which can change any game if he gets on the ball.

    Evreytime we play badly the reports say (never saw a lot of the ball) why does are wingers not see a lot of the ball? because other parts of the teams not doing there job.

    If the defence and cent midfeild do there jobs well, then we play well, as are strikers can play on there last men, are wingers can stay wide and make runs and supply lots of crosses, but over the last couple of months we have been poor and cant bilive we are still winning.

    The answer is QUALITY central midfeild, i know people are inlove with henry on this forum, and although i think his a great trier and a good player for this div, he hardly sprays the ball around the pitch, i know people will say thats not his job, his breaks up plays and helps the defence, so who job is it? are you ment to have 1 player in the middle of the park who is creative only? jones has the quality from set pieces but he does not make killer passes, or does anyone in are current team.

    If someone can tell me what are last 5 results were when we had these 4 players start the game i would love to know.

    ebanks-chris
    jarvo-kites
     
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  2. Wolv3nsam

    Wolv3nsam Just doesn't shut up

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    Last 4 games all four started the match I believe (they haven't started 5 all together from what I can see), someone else will probably correct me:

    PNE A W 3-1
    Forest H W 5-1
    Ipswich A W 2-0
    Sheff Wed H W 4-1
     
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  3. KAZZZZ

    KAZZZZ Senior Member

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    Thankyou wolv3nsam

    I think evreyone can see what i mean and that also proves what i mean regarding performances.

    2 away wins vers preston-ipswich who both have great home records.
    2 convincing home wins 4-1 and 5-1

    Jarvo-kites staying wide and supply the amo, ebanks and chris putting them in.

    So if this 4 are aloud to do there jobs then we play well, but if are 2 central midfeilders are being over run, then 2 wingers dont see the ball, the strikers have no crosses to bang in.
     
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  4. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

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    Chris has been injured, as has Jarvis. Jarvis especially has an issue with niggling injuries and therefore is not being rushed back. Yes the performances haven't been fantastic recently. 3 wins and 3 clean sheets says it all for me though.

    Some people will just NEVER be satisfied!!
     
  5. I don't think Mick has chopped and changed. As the season wears on injuries and suspensions play a part. I think we've tried to keep the team as settled as possible without making it a closed shop (one of the major criticisms of last year). I'd like to see Jarvis and Kites playing a few games together in top gear because I'm sure that would solve a lot of problems.

    I wonder if Edwards and Jones not hammering down a starting berth will leave the door open for Mark Davies. For the first time in a long time his star his back in the ascendency at his best I think he is a blend of Edwards and Jones i.e decent quality on the ball, but also energy and a direct central threat as well.
     
  6. The Weasel

    The Weasel Just doesn't shut up

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    I think Mark Davies will play a major role in our final 20 games.
     
  7. So Kazzzz, You would rather a good performance but a 3-0 defeat then a scrappy performance and a 1-0 win like yesterday?

    Come on, take a look at the table for God Sakes.

    Good Performances are nice to have, but the only way we'll get out of this league is by winning games like yesterdays.

    Mick has done an excellant job this season with the players he's had available each week.
     
  8. The problem is, if you keep having poor performances you will eventually lose momentum. We are where we are because of the super displays and results we got earlier in the season. Clubs / mangagers that succeed consistantly do so because they aim to improve all the time.
    I doubt if Mick will be satisfied with our present midfield displays. Personally I think Karl Henry does a satisfactory job, but Dave Edwards and Dave Jones both appear to have faults. Unless our boy Mark Davies comes back fit, and able to play out the season in the first team, we really will need to sign a quality midfielder.
     
  9. itsonlyagame

    itsonlyagame Guest

    FFS! We are top at Xmas by 7 points! We have won 75% of our league games. We have scored over 50 goals. Our last 3 games have brought us 9 points without conceding a goal! We have 2 of the leagues top 3 goal scorers. We are having just about as successful a season as a team can have at our level and our best season for decades. We will not always perform at the top of our game, but when we don't it's important that we grind out a result as often as we can....... and we are! Just enjoy the season and try to stay positive. If you're worried now, wait till this time next year if we get promoted................. or sooner if we don't! :D I am over the moon, this is brilliant and long may it continue. At last we are achieving something. :D
     
  10. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Kazz your talking rubbish. For a start Jarvis and Iwelumo have been out injured for a number of games and the players who have come in have done a great job. Also we have had some good performances, Burnley, Derby, Sheff Utd.
     
  11. KAZZZZ

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    FFS guys..why you talking so much xxxx..offcourse i would rather us be top and winning games, but im saying its not like we are out playing teams.

    I want us to be where we are, but i would prefer enjoying a game of good football and skill rather then bitting my nails against the bottom team in the div.

    This is a forum for us to talk about stuff, not start shouting abuse at each other. the simple truth is wolves prob mean more to me then you, so to say im not happy with mick or us being top is a joke..grow up.
     
  12. Mutchy

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    :rolleyes:
     
  13. Deutsch Wolf

    Deutsch Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Rubbish.

    We won seven games on the spin with the "super displays".

    We then won another seven on the spin, all without Jarvis, all without arguably playing as well as we had done in August and September.

    We've now won another three on the spin, all without conceding a goal.

    We're top of the league because we've been bloody brilliant all season. Simple as.
     
  14. itsonlyagame

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  15. Rubbish yourself Deutsch. My opinion is as good as yours, if not better.
     
  16. Deutsch Wolf

    Deutsch Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    In a world where facts and reality don't matter, maybe.
     
  17. I think you need to take a step back and look at what you write occasionally.

    This little clip above us a prime example of you coming across as an absolute clown.
     
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  18. Del Woppio

    Del Woppio Guest

    Pah. You can prove anything with facts. BUt at the end of the day, we're rubbish, and lucky, and it's all going to fall apart. Just because you have facts and stats to back up your claims it makes them no more worthy than Kazzzzzz's. And I must admit, I find the fact that you spell words correctly more than a little patronising.

    In the words of Phil Collins though, but seriously:

    We win with style, and we win ugly. The important thing is that we win. I'd imagine that on one of the football league's smallest pitches, without several players that would be in the visitors' preferred XI, against a team who'd conceded one in their last five home games, that most away managers would take a gutsy one nil win. But I suppose if people aren't (or should that be ourn't?) happy, then it just means Wolves mean more to them than they do to me.
     
  19. long ball man

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    So basically:
    'Are performances have been very poor recently. We our top of the league by default...'

    Do people ever read what they type? The fact that such sentiments seem to be held by those without even a basic grasp of the English language says a lot.

    OUR OUR OUR OUR when we are talking about something that belongs to us.

    ARE ARE ARE ARE as in 'we ARE top of the league'

    Putting the appalling English to one side this is unquestionably to date the best season in my 30+ years of supporting Wolves. Statistically it is astonishing...far better than 76/77, 87/88 and 88/89.

    As a group of supporters we are in danger of sleep walking through one of the greatest seasons we will ever see. Some people are never satisfied.
     
  20. wolfyjoe

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    I'd agree with this in one sense, I can't deny the winning is what we're after and i can't criticise. However, I agree with KAZZ in that if we had a bit more prowess in central midfield, maybe Kights, Iwelumo, Ebanks Blake, etc, would see more of the ball.
    For me, it's not about the performances, it's just ensuring that we keep winning. I don't think we have a drastic problem at the minute, obviously not, we're beating teams and we're 7 points clear. Maybe Mark Davies will be the answer.
     
  21. I got slated for having a go at KAZZZZZ's horrific use of the English language before because he's Greek.

    Being Greek doesn't explain his ridiculous statements about being Wolves' biggest ever fan.
     
  22. I agree with kazz, we should go sign Cesc Fabregas.

    Oh, this isnt champ manager? In that case I'm not sure which world class players will come here (off the top of my head) so I'm pretty happy with the guys we've got at the moment to be honest.
     
  23. Powelly

    Powelly Guest

    Whilst im sure we would all love to see us playing "Arsenal style" football week in week out, it Will never happen in this division, no matter how good a side you are.

    Qualities that we have in the side this season of digging results out will stand us in better stead in the long run rather than developing the "we'll outpass everyone and wont adapt our style" mentality which Albion had last season as they still only narrowly won the league with the lowest points total needed.. and are suffering for that mentality this year.

    The efforts of Hull and Stoke in the premiership so far should be a lesson to us all about how much of a long term effect "digging results out" can benefit your club.

    That takes nothing away from us as on our day this season i personally dont think there are many( if any) sides that can live with us in this division.. However our ability at present to grind out results when not playing well is the basis upon which League titles and promotion is won on.

    I agree that the last time we played "really" well, perfomance wise, was against Forest and the last 20 minutes against Blues.. Lets be honest though in our position teams in this league are always going to attempt to knock us out of our stride and natural game as they know its likely they will get heavily beat with our present attacking options and the clinical form of SEB and Iwelumo... Its a fine balancing act to combine performance levels and digging out results the hard way.. up to yet that balance is right and long may it continue..
     
  24. marrs-guitar

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    Easy to have an unchanged team in August when you don't need to consider suspension, injuries, exhaustion etc

    Teams are less likely to come out and attack you when you've firmly established youself at the top of the table and proved your goalscoring power. In the early months this didn't apply and teams were therefore more open. The relevance of points also wasn't as crucial, nobody was mired at the bottom, nobody's job was instantly on the line, now these apply, a 0-0 for many against us is a victory in their eyes so they won't come out and allow us to counter attack

    see first point

    Erm, that applies to every football team in the country
     
  25. A wanderer from Bristol

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    Good post Powelly. And I think Doncaster sums up the success of this side so far. Even when they're not on top form, more often than not they find a way to win. Most importantly, they believe they will win. There is a mental strength and a real sense of 'all for one and one for all' in this team that should not be underestimated. It will be crucial.
     
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  26. KAZZZZ

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    Seriously im wondering if this is worth all the effort.

    Im a true wolves fan for almost 28 years, if we win im happy if we lose screws my weekend up bigtime, so to sugest that im not a true fan is complete bull.

    Mick is the best manager we can have and im gratefull the board have stuck with him, as i must say if it was upto me i would of got rid last season.

    The shape of the team in middle of the park thats my opion and i stick to it, if they dont do there jobs we cant get are wingers or strikers in game and play badly.

    As for my spelling i agree its pretty $$$$, but im trying to get better and think im improving, im Greek, and im not a english teacher and i try my best.

    I dont want to have poeple thinking im a $$$$ or start giving me abuse for what i write on here, if im not valued as one of the members ill be happy not to post again.

    We are all ment to be pushing the same direction and bcking are team, because i make a point which im not happy about do i really deserve all this abuse. you should be ashamed of yourselfs the people that are having a go.
     
  27. glastofreak

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    We are top of the league a good young squad and MM, JM and SM have bought well. We are not going to win every game from here to the end of the season, there will be off performances.
     
  28. Mugwump

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    We havent played to our best or a fluidly as we can lately, but we are still winning. We arent going to win every game in style and we are going to have off days and poor performances. Its a sign we are a very good side at this level as we are grinding out results when we dont play well. Thats a team who will win... i`m going to say it.....
    PROMOTION!!!!!
     
  29. Black Suit

    Black Suit Guest

    Your English is much better than any attempt I could possibly make of a foreign language Kazzzz! Try not to take the comments to heart, but you will always attract criticism from posters if you claim that Wolves mean more to you than others.

    I am not very impressed by our recent performances either, but I understand the rather cliched point, that if we win whilst not playing our best, then it is a sign of a good team. Let's face it, an 'ugly win' as Mick desribes them, doesn't ruin the rest of your weekend.

    The table does not lie Kazzzz. Try to enjoy it, after 28 years, you know as well as the rest of us that it cannot last forever!
     
  30. ROVERT47

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    Been laid up for a week with Flu,nice to see nothing's changed much.
    How the hell this crap excuse for a Football team still finds itself 7pts clear at the top is beyond me.
    Funny,everytime i hear people who actually know something about Football talking (Stephen Hunt,yesterday morning for one)they all say that Wolves are the team to beat.
    Then again what do a few Professional's know that a few webmongs don't?
     
  31. Uncle Festa

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    I don't think you will see us playing the controlled fluid football with Dave Edwards in the team. Good energy, eye for a goal and good probing runs, but he is never going to be able to put his foot on the ball and control a game, which is what we have been missing recently. Jones is a far better option for me - a player that can link the defence and forwards and get us to out pass, rather then out run the opposition.
     
  32. Carlos#5

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    A good win, against a team fighting for their lives, on a terrible pitch used for rugby as well I believe, against a side, despite their lowly status, had concedeed less at home than ourselves. It was never going to be 'fluid' football.

    It is these games that the Wolves of the last few seasons, or even longer, would be drawing or losing.

    We may not have won 5-0, realistically we were never going to, but, we will thank these 3 points at the end of the season, that is for sure.
     
  33. Chiswick_Wolf

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    In recent games...QPR, Doncaster spring to mind...the home team have stuck 5 across the back or midfield. As a side that tries to attack down the flanks, that is a tough formation to breakdown. The win against Doncaster is the sort of win that Chelsea used to get under Mourinho away from home. Home team defend really well, Chelsea's midfield fail to get into the game, Drogba gets no service, 81st minute freekick or corner John Terry or Carvalho go up and score. Rubbish football...three points...three closer to the Championship. The Arsenal league winning sides are the only teams I can think of I have ever seen that played excellent football nearly every week and still got the results needed - a once in a lifetime team in otherwords.
     
  34. Uncle Festa

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    Your right Chiswick. The opposition generally use the same local scout to give them a dosier on Wolves and how to beat/contain them. Packing the midfield and pressing us quickly would seem to be number 1 on the recommendations. But the difference this time is we are still winning games even if we have gone ugly.
     
  35. leedswolf

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    The professional RL season runs from February to September...............
     
  36. Uncle Festa

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    American football $$$$ed the pitch up. But in all honesty that should have suited our game more than Doncaster
     

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