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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by wolvesultra, Feb 5, 2015.

  1. wolvesultra

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    Doesn't look brilliant on the seating plan thing.

    I suppose after the offers on against Blackpool and Watford and a couple of 'meh' performances, there was always going to be a bit of a dip for this game. Can't see Reading bringing anymore than 400-500 either!

    I'd imagine around 20,200 possibly the lowest attendance for a League/Weekend game of the whole season.
     
  2. JW

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    Poor form for a big game.

    You can understand the few away fans at molineux at £27 a ticket.
     
  3. wolvesultra

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    Yeah the lower Steve Bull should really be priced the same as behind the goals not the upper, or at least somewhere inbetween like it used to.
     
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    Lower Steve Bull is not worth more than £20 Adult a ticket
     
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    Will be heading home for this, poor attendance doesn't look good though.
     
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    £5 ticket cash game as well, so anything under 21,000 is poor.
     
  7. RosehillWolf

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    I would say a number of fans are very apathetic, especially after the poor transfer window... its also damn freezing, hardly inspiring atrractive football and its expensive ! I'll be honest I doubt I would be going Saturday if I hadnt got my ST as its turning into a very busy day for me with my daughters' wedding on teh horizon
    The fans need incentivising
     
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    Just taken a look at the online sales, and notice in several blocks there are seats missing off the plan, meaning there is a white gap in between seats. One gap has three seats missing. Must be broken or something?
     
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    Rosehill you are spot on for me. I'm off work this weekend so this could of been one to go to. Unfortunately for me its a 3 hour drive so the football needs to be worth watching something that I believe at the moment it most definatly isn't. I've said on here many times the whole Molineux experience really has gone downhill. Expensive and for me the real thing missing is a vibrant atmosphere and excitement. I dont have the answers for the powers that be to entice me and obviously thousands of others back but thats down to them. I'l take my kids up my local football club have a few beers and watch Soccer Saturday instead.
     
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    Lowest crowd of the season. Will be lucky to top 20,000 official. Will actually be less than that, as we all know ST holders seats are accounted for wether they are there or not.
     
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    This indeed. I'll go to catch up with mates , and its really a habit rather than something I REALLY enjoy. I stand in the South Bank, look at the appallingly lop sided ground, those damn screens and listen to that shocking shouty man
    Where did it all go wrong?
     
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    What's that noise? It's a constant hum without any interuption? Oh it's a whining noise, that explain's it.

    There are much worse teams playing much worse football in much worse positions in the league at much worse grounds.
     
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    The gaps in between seats online have now gone.. someone must have reported it.

    Looks 20,000 tops at the moment, hopefully a late surge to even make that.

    Deserves a few more with eight unbeaten games, Sako back, and KJ wanting more goals. :)
     
  14. RosehillWolf

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    I agree that it may deserve a few more, I think I deserve value for money, and I would think so do most others. Dull, uninspiring football with poor tactics doesnt do much for anyone. We needed a catalyst and have missed another opportunity to get one
     
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    With £5 ticket cash offer I expected a crowd in the mid 20s.

    Its more of a complete day out for us travelling over. Early flight, few pints before the game with friends that we have made over the years. A result in the game is a bonus.

    Besides that, we are 7th and within touching distance of the playoffs so we should be getting decent crowds.
     
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    I wonder how many people actually understand the ticket cash offers - They never seem the most easy to be honest. These type offers need to be kept as simple as possible and always available online, ie remove all possible barriers. Probably why the half price offer was so successful as opposed to the Free ticket to ST holders. I still wish they would mark down the wing seats and of course the SB lower - they should be cheap. If they had to supplement it then why not mark up the premium central seats, it makes sense to me.
     
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    Can't imagine Readings following will do a great deal to bolster the gate and with home form not exactly exciting anything above 23k would be good but this could be a just over 20k gate although hoping for better.
     
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    Fans saving their money for when our new players start to bed in .
     
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    They might end up missing lots of games then.:D
     
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    20,000 isn't bad for mid table 2nd division football - what do people expect?

    If we were top of the table and/or scoring lots of goals you'd get 10-20% extra on the gate so it's not all about the cost.

    Reading at home in early Feb isn't the most attractive fixture either.
     
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    Seems to me that the club are happy to rely on people who go though habit rather than work hard to evolve and attract new fans or do anything to entice people back who like me find it hard to justify the effort to attend. I love the club and have followed them for 40 years at considerable cost but right now I find the apathy at the top has finally got to me to such an extent that I will find it increasing the effort needed to attend home games.Gates this season prove that I am one of many I assume
     
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    Hang on - the club have just done a half price ticket promotion followed by a bring a friend for free offer to ST holders, there have been several other offers and promotions throughout the seaon too with more to come- so how is that apathy from the club?

    What in your view should the club do (in a sustainable way) to get more fans in through the door on a regular basis?
     
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    Indeed. I have often been a critic of the club regards this, but to be fair the past 2 offers worked very well, well certainly the half price ticket offer. It is such a shame the football was dire in those 2 games, the reality is that such performances are hardly likely to entice the floating fan back again. But people can't say the club didnt try.

    Having said that the gate doesnt look too bad for tomorrow, about 21000 I would say.
     
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    Not to mention some fans can go tomorrow for a fiver also. I like the smaller crowds, pubs not as busy, easier to get around the ground & in & out, less moaning & groaning.

    No doubt they'll all be complaining when they can't get a playoff ticket mind ;)
     
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    As I've said b4 all these offers are great but the bottom line is the majority of the time football not just at Wolves is way too expensive. For the majority of working class people to justify the expense of a family day out to watch 2nd Div dross is unrealistic. If u and the club think that having the stadium 1/3rd empty most of the time and 2/3rds empty on occasions then fine. If I was owning or running the club I wouldn't be happy about this. It creates a pee poor atmosphere and the money its costing the club must be having an effect on the lack of investment in the 1st team. I hate to be seeming to be negative about the club I love but enough is enough for me. Attendances prove I am not alone.
     
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    Consistently lower prices are the only way to entice people back on a regular basis. Simples.
     
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    I did ask what you thought the club could do in a sustainable way.

    If you think that Wolves or any other club in the football league for that matter could consisently price tickets at around the £15 mark then you're deluded.

    If you think going to watch Wolves play is expensive (i agree football in general is expensive but so is going to see even mid range gigs) then take a look at how much Norwich charge - anything between £25 and £45 to non members and they categorize the games A,B and C too yet they're averaging over 25k whilst being below us in the table.

    By the way i'm not happy that the ground is 1/3 empty and i doubt that the club is either but they have to try and balance out whether reducing the price by 20% will mean an increase of 20% on the gate - that doesn't always follow.
     
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    I agree, but there has to be excitement as well. Those 2 games were virtually devoid of it entirely.
     
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    This, gimmicks can/and will have a slight impact but nothing of note
     
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    Lint, I am looking to justify my opinions in anyway but to compare us with Norwich is not exactly a good comparison. Norwich is a very affluent area with no competition for miles around for the people if they want to support and watch league football. Wolves is mainly a working class club with the majority of customers being working people and most likely with families to support. Seems to me like the club got complacent with the supporters during the Premiership years but since relegation (s) have failed to respond to the dramatic loss of paying customers. I am no CEO or Marketing Executive but all I know is I am a middle aged working class docker with a young family and I cant afford to attend on any sort of regular basis and I guess by those attendance figures this season I am not alone
     
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    Spot on. The idea of a promotion like this is to entice back people who have stopped going for one reason or another, and potential new fans with purpose of showing them what they have been missing! Unfortunately that backfired.. I would be surprised if either of those 2 performances managed to entice back anyone, except maybe the wonderful atmosphere towards the end of the Blackpool game.

    To get the crowds back consistently, it really has to be a mix for me of Price / Ease / Exciting football / Atmosphere / Hope and belief.
     
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    Spot on as well mate.
     
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    Why deluded? This is the sort of pricing we should be demanding (£15-£17 for champiosnhip around £20 for premier league).

    Sadly any action or proposed action is always likely to fail as theres plenty of modern more affluent fans happy to fill the gap.
     
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    Spot on!
    I'm not gonna talk like I know everything but I find it very sad & also quite shocking when you have grounds like Middlesbrough, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Cardiff with rows upon rows, blocks upon blocks of empty seats.
    If that's competitively priced tickets, then the games gonna hit a brick wall.
    The prices for league 1&2 football in my eyes is near enough a joke.
    Clearly there are set guidelines...
     
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    For Johnsons, O'Hara's & Foleys reported wages we could have let every season ticket holder in for free this season. Then throw in Boukari, Pizza & Doyle also :rolleyes:

    The Premier & Football league need to step in & say that the TV money needs giving to the fans not to the players anymore. I bet you just a 15% deduction in Premier League wages would pay for everyones match tickets & all amature pitch fee's & Refs on a Sunday.
     
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    It's called supply and demand in the PL - clubs could charge less due to the massive amounts of tv money but don't have to mainly down to the majority getting high % of capacity at current prices.

    In the championship and further down the league's i'd say with less revenue there's less scope to cut prices (if you look at Wolves compared to other recently relegated clubs like Norwich and Bolton especially our prices stand up well in comparrison),as the majority of clubs are striving to reach the perceived promise land of the PL which means having to try and compete paying more wages to players - unless there's some kind of salary cap introduced i just can't see any dramatic fall in prices like you suggest.

    How many clubs run at any meaningful profit anyway?

    I found out 1 of my old season tickets recently - 1984/85 it was £17.50 (juvenile) for north or south bank though i'm pretty sure they do younger kid's season tickets still for £23 so things aren't all bad.

    I know certain things like beer,cigs and football tickets (as well as gig tickets too) have gone up way faster than inflation you can also buy things like milk and bigger and better tv's at cheaper prices than you could 30 years ago so you have to take a balanced view.

    Incidentally Ultra - i know you like your boxing and saw on the boxing thread that there is some championship boxing coming up this month at Wolves Civic - although i not a big fan i thought i'd take a look to see about getting a ticket but baulked at paying £44-£77 for something that in football terms might be classed as 2nd or 3rd tier - what are your thoughts on that?
     
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    I can get you one for £40 (without the silly fees) if you want? :D

    Do agree though £40 is a bit steep (although worth pointing out I'll see about 4-5 hours for that so per minute still a lot cheaper than football) but don't make the mistake of presuming its 2nd/3rd tier because its in a small venue (thats a weird decision made by the promoter this which us local people have benefitted from) that fight could easily do an arena its a world title eliminator so in effect lets say a top 4/5 premier league clash. The fact that its at the civic means for a £40 standard ticket you'll get a view equilavent to a £100-£200 pound one if it was in an arena.

    I do understand what you're saying re supply and demand and the tv rights. I suppose its a sad reflection on the game now. I accept theres not much more room for scope in the lower leagues its really in the premier league where tickets need to massively come down.

    I don't believe there should be much of a gap between leagues either. Footballs not like the theatre people go to support their team so should be charged much more to do so even if in a higher league.

    Using boxing as an example again the cheapest tickets for boxing tend to be £30-£40 regardless of the level of event be it a card full of local lads with maybe an area title fight topping the bill or a Sky Box Office card with World Title fight. I honeslty think football shoulb be similar (a bit like is in germany) the cheaper seats behind goals etc should pretty much stay the same regardless of division, after all those tend to be for the supporters those people aren't coming to see Man Utd or Reading they're coming to support Wolves. Fair enough the premium and corporate seats treat like a businesss ie massive mark ups for when in the prem etc.
     
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    Whilst i agree entirely with the sentiment i just can't see that happening - it's a pity in a way that the PL clubs couldn't agree to some kind of salary tax or cap as it might also have the added benefit of a few more clubs turning a profit.

    I'm pretty sure the big 5/6 would always veto such a move citing it would make them less competitive in Europe and the other clubs would fall into line for fear of the big guns breaking away to an even bigger bucks super league leaving the rest with the scraps with what would be effectively a slightly better version of the Championship.
     
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    I fully agree the atmosphere at many games at Molineux I have been to over the years has been fantastic and it needs to be replicated as often as possible. For every great atmosphere generated there have been many times when you look around the ground and depressingly look at the thousands of empty seats during a dour match and wonder why you bother. All I am saying is I think the club are missing a trick somewhere along the line because it can't be that difficult to fill the ground. My thoughts would be really cheap kids season tickets along with cheap adult+child tickets and even giving lapsed supporters some sort of one off enticer? We've got to do something different because the way I see it we could easily spend a few seasons in The Championship and if that happens attendances will only go in one direction.
     

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