Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Mutchy, Dec 6, 2008.
Strange game, Very good last 25 awful previous 65
i blame O.W.E.I. for starting a commentary thread rather than polak!
Im fuming, did we really need a kick up the butt. well we got it today.
We were rubbish the 1st 60 mins, then the players once jarvo come on tried to actually do what they are good at and pass the ball around and play football, the only time i got up off my seat is when jarvo was going foward.
We need to have the same mentallty at the start of the game as when we are 1-0 down and go for it.
There is 1 good point today and 1 only. JARVIS.
Wolves get what they deserve for a total no show again in the 1st Half
Next game they must get out the blocks, very poor tonight
Only pluses Vokes and Jarvis
Why do we only start playing when we go 1 goal down? I thought we were lightweight against a very strong and determined team.
Lets just hope the players aren't starting to believe their own hype.
It was dire but with Jarvis back we'll win our next two and everything will be fine.
Really poor first 70 minutes, some really sloppy play.
Jarvis the only plus point for me.
We need to put it right on Tuesday, otherwise it'll be panic stations all round.
What has happened to kightly since last season!!??...
Imo he was shocking tonight!
Even Iwelumo has struggled the past couple of weeks...teams have finally sussed us out and we don't look like changing!
Jarvis was a breath of fresh air when he came on... i certainly think he should be starting aswell as vokes next week, the only 2 who looked like doing anything today!!
Have wolves got a hoodoo on corners? I'm sure 90% of our corners never pass the first man!
We are better than tonight, ive seen performances 10 times better!
Thank god for Hennessy becasue that could of become a cricket score...the defending for the goal was awful!!4 player all static stood watching as 2 players fell over eachother and still managed to break and lob the keeper.
Mancienne and Stearman showed some of the fallibility I initially feared when they were put together i.e they can be bullied a bit. I thought they tried to hang in there but they should have dealt with both the long kick for goal and Stears not closing the ball down was a disgrace.
Henners was terrible at crosses and very good at shot stopping. No reason why Ikeme shouldn't be recalled on the performance. I do think QPR with an awful lot of energy for the first 65 mins and then tired.
I think if Jarvis had started the game we might have one, he looked absolutley electric when he came on. At home with Jarvis and Kights there seems no reason why we can't dominate teams because Jarvis just changed the whole momentum of the game.
Vokes looked very good too. They were the plusses everything else was poor really. Still I do think QPR put in a very good, energetic performance and stopped us playing to an extent.
I wouldn't hit the panic button at all. We've done well to be top by 3 points without Jarvis and there are signs we can really hurt teams now that he's back.
Come on the wolf.
Not sure how SEB missed the Header before they scored?
Glad it wasn't Keogh!!
Deserved to lose
Glad I'm not the only one to think that. It wasn't even just tonight, I think he's been missing for a few weeks now.
I blame myself entirely.... I had a double on them..Punjabi at Wetherby and them at QPR. Sorry
There is a case for freshening it up next week.......
In the last 2 weeks, Iwuelmo has looked poor.
IMHO we should may be start with Vokes or Keogh, nothing against Iwuelmo but at the moment we are lacking movement.
We were beatren by a wonder strike, we looked a really good team last 25 minutes.
IMHO the last 2 weeks the following players have been poor
Kightly will stay in the team..... He needs to be told to stay out wide
Jones, should start next week.
Jarvis should start.
We need to show something different, Keogh for iwuelmo
Very poor tonight, just seemed to be 2nd to every ball. Deserved to los and if I'm honest, I had forgotten Kightly was on the pitch! Showed signs of being found out tonight and hope we can change it as Jarvis won;t start Tuesday as it is too soon. Think Vokes.Keogh needs to start for Big Chris (but doubt it as Keogh gets barracked at Molineux yet he seems to change games when he comes on every game)
I also did think we were massively hindered by the ref giving us the sum total of $$$$ all
Very poor showing until Jarvis came on and we changed the forward line. The real problem for me was the lack of quality in midfield and our inability to keep the ball in all areas of the pitch. Jones and Henry again failed to control the game until QPR tired. The January transfer window cannot come soon enough for me because on that performance we'll not make top two.
I think Iwelumo's goalscoring record gives him the right to rekindle his relationship with Jarvis who supplies a lot. He almost single handedly walloped Sheff U 3 games ago. The last two games he and SEB have been working off scraps. Vokes was excellent but the opposition were tiring and Jarvis had put them on the back foot.
Can't disagree with that. We were poor at keeping the ball
Started at wrong tempo-AGAIN. a sort of what we hold attitude. Midfield was totally lightweight which meant the forwards might aswell have gone and sat next to Mick. MK was our worst player by a country mile. He was totally out of it on the left and as a result our shape was wrong. A bit of a reality check which by the law of averages was coming. Matty Jarvis has to start to free MK up on the right.
Yes it is tremendous we are where we are,and no,we wouldn't have dreamt about it back in August but I hope that the players now look at themselves and realise the gongs ain't handed out at Christmas. I am not knee jerking just alarmed at the total no show against limited opposition.
I totally agree...some decisions were strange tonight. He only gave the most blatant for us yet anytime our CB's challenged a ball, the foul was given to them yet Big Chris was in utter disbelief sometimes that not only didn;t he get the foul, but was penalised!
Imo football is all in the mind. Starting to think our players really believe they just have to turn up to win. Only played v Blues when 1 down - same tonight.
I do believe this is the kick up the $$$$ they perhaps needed ahead of 3 VERY winnable games - and Blues next 2 are away. Trying to keep the faith.
One thing that is of a slight concern is that we failed to match the workrate of the QPR players, we looked very lethargic in the 1st half. On a positive note, all of the subs did well.
Lets not go over the top.
It was a poor performance and a deserved defeat.
Plus' are it took a very good strike for them to get a goal. Vokes, Keogh and Jarvis all looked lively when they came on today.
Not the end of the world by any means, we're still in a very strong position. 3 Points in our next game is vital though - we really need to bounce back from this.
I was thinking the same possibly. The last 2 games Birmingham and QPR have managed to mark Iwelumo and SEB out of the game, by closing us down very quickly, but have tired towards the end of the game. Maybe starting with Vokes or Keogh would give us a bit more movement and make it harder for teams to do that, and we'd have big Chris to bring on when they're getting a bit tired second half.
Although not all teams are going to keep them quiet like QPR and B'ham but maybe an option for some games.
Hopefully now Jarvis is back Kightly will get a bit more space to play as well. He's not been his usual self for a while now I have wondered whether he's been carrying an injury or something (not enought to stop him playing), it does show it's one postion we don't have any real quality cover for i.e we can't make a like for like change if kightly is having anoff day
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We were just awful in the 1st half. The 2nd half performance was MUCH better especially after their goal. In fairness, SEB shouldve scored just before they did. And Jones forced a couple of great saves from their keeper. In the end, I cant complain. On this evidence, we have no chance to go up.
I hope the team proves me wrong.
Some people on here saying that keogh should start!! would you please tell me why? his not going to score goals and is terrible outwide, so unless you thinking of droping jones or henry then thats a no go.
Are best team is what we had start the match bar jarvo, but there not up for it for some reason.
The front guys can not do nothing with no service like today, so that lays with midefeild who were totally domanated.
Kites was rubbish today, his my fav player and i never said anything bad about him before but he was rubbish, give balls away, never beat his man, was hardly in the game.
Micks fault today as team was not motavated, they cant start to play when we are 1-0 down, but when they do does not matter who we are playing we are better as we have proven all season.
We have worked so hard all season to get a great lead at the top, but make no mistake if we dont wake up will chuck that away.
whats so hard to understand, pass the ball instead of hoof..and supply crosses for are fowards (like jarvo) when he come on.
QPR did well to play to our lack of physical strength in central defence, constantly knocking balls over and around Stearman and Mancienne. When these two have the ball, they look like excellent players but tend to miss out on through balls more than one would expect. This could become a serious weakness. Apart from that, they scrapped and harried us off our game and it was only when they began to tire that we started to dominate.
By that time, however, McCarthy had had one of his Mad Mick moments and taken off Jones who was having a reasonable game rather than Edwards who was struggling to make an impact. And then just to compound the mistake, he puts the ineffectual Vokes and Keogh on for our top two goalscorers, just as Jarvis was producing a series of dangerous crosses. Bizarre. So despite all the possession, Wolves never really looked like scoring again. Keogh, in particular, again confirmed that he is a player in crisis, unable to do much more than the odd good flick. A priority for January is a replacement for him if the season's promise is to be realised.
Overall, a poor performance, poor management and, perhaps, a welcome reality check for those who take Wolves' league position at face value.
Perhaps the pressure being on top is starting to show. I always thought that this was going to be a really tough game. I do not think playing after the other teams have played helps either. I felt the team were in two minds what to do and before they scored it looked like Mick had set them out to take the draw.
Only really started to play after they scored.Agree with everyone else its great to see Jarvis back but what was Kightly doing at the end. Sometimes he just needs to keep it simple and stick the ball in the box.
Just a pity Reading won as i was hoping they would only draw today. Anyway the home games are the most important and if we win the next two we will still be top.
It's simple you start hom upfront where he aia a quality player. He has waited and waited, changed games when he has come on.
His movement makes it harder to mark
The team was motivated, but QPR have played well at home, Beat Blues.
The highlighted bit shows the reason for Keogh, it forces you to play short
It's about mental strength now, all the opponents banging on about how we're lucky, how we're not the best team in the league etc. I thought we were a tad unlucky tonight and deserved a point, to be robbed of that by a wonder strike was just unlucky.
However, I do feel that we didn't get going until we were behind, much as the Blues game. As others have said, the plus point for me was Matty Jarvis, keep him fit and we'll push on.
Mrs watch the first half and said we 'didn't look bothered', I think she has a point. We didn't get at them at all first half, but I thought our pressure towards the end deserved something. QPR were ****ing themselves by the end.
One more thing, to take a short, stupid corner with 15 seconds to go just shows a complete lack of idea. Stupid, really stupid IMO.
Upset by this but it makes the Derby game vital now. I think Matty Javis will turn it on for that game.
People are really over simplyfiying things with comments like this. Sometimes you have to recognise that a team has put in an energetic, combative performance on their own patch (where their record is superb) and with a new manager.
Sometimes teams don't let you play and it takes players with extra attributes such as Jarvis to make it possible.
I'm not saying we weren't poor and very lethargic first half but I was pleased that we tried and ended encamped in their half.
Lets give abit of credit to QPR they were a good team who have now won 5 out of 6 last home games.
We know we are bit lightweight in midfield, our midfield aint bad its just not a top two midfield. We didnt play that badly, they just did their homework and never allowed us to play. Their midfield was far more creative & our front two looked lethargic.
Lost ground yes, but i feel this was bound to happen, so lets not let get carried away. The players did not shirk their responsibilities, they were just second best today against a good QPR team.
I have alway ssaid I doubt we are good enough for top two, today highlighted just why.
Glad we lost in a strange way, last couple of games we have been playing with the fear of loosing, now that's out of the way we can hopefully put another run together into the new year and beyond.
Dreadful, abject, woeful 1st half performance. I lost count of the times we just booted the ball out of defence and straight back to the opposition.
Jarvis the only shining light.
Hard to take anything positive from this game.
Can't agree that QPR are a good team, they are an average team who we made to look like promotion candidates by being poor for the majority of the game. We were lethargic, sluggish call it what you will, but we just didn't compete the entire first half and most of the 2nd. I can't remember our midfield winning a 2nd ball once, they were just far too slow to react. At one end Iwelumo failed to win a single header, and at the other end Mancienne failed to win a single header. It took until about 70 minutes for us to string more than 3 passes together as up to that point we'd decided that the best way to play was to pass, pass, hit it long, lose possession. Rinse and repeat. Kightly was the worst player on the pitch by a mile, can't remember him contributing a single positive thing to the game. Ward and Foley looked like they knew their national manager was watching and decided to play like frightened schoolkids.
The good news is we have a run of games playing teams that are struggling so we might be able to get ourselves out of this mini funk that we're in.
It's all about pressure now!
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