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Pride of the midlands?

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  1. johnybig32

    johnybig32 Just doesn't shut up

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    Without tinted specs on, put yourself in the place of all of the midlands clubs at the moment...if you were a fan, what marks out of 10 would you give each team and why!

    Villa, WBA, wolves, blues, Walsall...

    I honestly think we would score the highest mark?
     
  2. Erick1011

    Erick1011 MolMix Poster of the Season 2012-2013

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    Don't you know that Walsall are going to Wembley?
    They think they're a big club now. :D
     
  3. Wall heath Wanderer

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    There will be more wolves and Albion fans go than Walsall can lay claim to having.
     
  4. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Stoke City are pride of the midlands surely?

    But West midlands............

    Bennies - 8 out of 10 - although near the bottom half of the prem, they consistently outperform every other club in the region. Quite well established in top flight now.

    Wolves - 6 out of 10 - on edge of the playoffs in the championship and doing players doing as well as being expected. Not tearing up any trees but consolidating themselves in the second flight

    Blues - 5 out of 10 - considering their appalling financial plight, they are perhaps exceeding expectations.

    Villa - 4 out of 10 - stuck with an unambitious board and pretty useless manager, they are perennial under-achievers as the biggest club in the region.

    Coventry - 3 out of 10 - back home but only 7000 are interested. Potentially a championship club but underperforming.

    Who else?
     
  5. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Got to be the $$$$.....they are a league above us
     
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    We do I need have a pride. There isn't a proper decent side from the midlands.
     
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    So are villa but we've got to be much happier than them!
     
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    sad state of play but all west midland teams are $$$$e at the moment.
     
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    I still think Villa are bigger than Albion, regardless of how wretched they've been this season. More history, more fans, etc etc.
     
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    All four 'top' West Midlands clubs need to get their acts together and start challenging the London and NW clubs.

    Villa are a fine old club and the only one to win the top European prize. That they struggle is sad.

    Albion have left us lagging badly in recent years.

    Well done to Walsall on achieving a Wembley visit.

    But for pride and romance there is only one team in it.

    No other club in the WM has had so much greatness and so much shambolic, damaging, sadness and strife. It has had some of the greatest and most unique players ever to play the game and few, if any, towns/cities that I can think of where the football club is as synonymous with the place it came from.

    Through it all it remains one of the best supported team's in the country and in the top 100 in Europe.

    Pride is what saved it in 1986.No contest at all.
     
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    You have me weeping in my beer, every word is true, but we was first saved in 1982, we was just 15 minutes from going out of football, Dougan and the ****** brothers
     
  12. Big Nosed Wolf

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    Pull yourself together.

    1986 was worse. There was nothing left at all. It took the council to step in and try and broker deals etc. It looked all over 'Bar the shouting'

    The Civic Hall meeting was a memorable and stirring experience. 2000 fans refusing to let it die. That's pride. Those really were the days my friend.
     
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    The gates dropped from 25k to 4k within 5 years, those really weren't the days. I think maybe they were certain peoples days because they were in their teens or twenties without responsibilities of their lives today, but they certainly were not Wolves' days. I couldn't imagine letting what happened to my club then happen now.

    As for the OP Stoke are by far the team with the most pride in the midlands followed by West Brom. Villa are a nothing team who will just stay where they are doing nothing for another 3 years & I'd say ourselves & Blues are level now Rowett has got them playing.
     
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    Insulting to the club, those who were there and ensured there is a club today.

    Not surprised. You really are one sad individual.
     
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    Mr Wolf how old are you ?
     
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    How can you go from having 25k to 4k & call it pride, it's a question not a dig?
     
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    It certainly isn't us, would any genuine Wolves fan say they're proud of us being 8th in the 2nd tier.

    I know there is a culture of acceptance of mediocrity at the club but that's taking the $$$$.
     
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    Some of you have completely not understood my opening op at all.
     
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    There were a lot of circumstances behind that fall in gate and you know it. Stop $$$$ stirring.
     
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    Villa are still pride of the midlands in my opinion

    Been it for some time
    Remain biggest club
    Remain best supported

    Their low is basically considered a good season for Albion or stoke

    Stoke and Albion may come above them odd season but on whole villa are the pride
     
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    It's a thread about pride, personally I don't take pride in what happened then.

    Maybe getting 30k in League 1 & taking thousands away showing other fans how great Wolves are are I would take pride in.
     
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    1986 was way more desperate in the 1982 crisis: wolves seemed to be heading to total oblivion, it was even in the newspapers over here in NZ at the time.

    two sided ground, no money, huge debts: it seemed like the end of the road. Fans totally exhausted by season after season of dismal performances, but many still loyally turning up to follow the old gold inspite of it all.

    Every victory achieved during that period felt like winning the FA cup: like the away wins at Blackpool and Carlisle. Fans went mental.

    gotta admire the fans of that trying time
     
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    were you actively supporting wolves in the mid-80s?

    I think if you were then you'd understand what that time means to the fans that experienced it

    some of the best football memories of mine are from that time. It seemed everything was against wolves and even just getting a starting eleven on the pitch was something to celebrate.

    it was touch and go my friend
     
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    Based on achievements at this moment against realistic expectations at the start of this season:

    Villa 3, Albion 5, Blues 7, Walsall 7, Wolves 7
     
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    Got to be shrewsbury--- best home record in all four divisions along with chelsea,top of league 2,least goals conceded, and 16 clean sheets.got to be in with a shout
     
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    and also gave a very good account of themselves against Chelsea in the cup this season too
     
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    It comes to something when you give West Brom 8 points, played 23 matches for 22 points, winning 5 matches since August.

    It's like asking which is the least ugly from this group of uglies.
     
  28. reanswolf

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    * Imagine rampant battles across the terraces.
    * Imagine a decimated iron and steel industry with a local unemployment rate of 37% (compared to the "appalling" 5% you see quoted these days).
    * Imagine being told the club isnt printing any ST's !
    * Imagine a two-sided ground with no facilities, either the crumbling SOuth Bank or a stand so far from the pitch it was in Heath Town.
    * Imagine a club where no one knew where the owners were, off in Saudi Arabia somewhere, but they were uncontactable and supporting people who wanted to sell Molineux to Asda for a car park was counter-productive so many boycotted.

    We didnt just drop to 4000 bottom placed in the old 3rd divsion. Gates dropped eveywhere as the recession kicked in over a few years in the mid-80's, not just at Wolves. Albion were top flight but saw a gate of 6100.

    Wolverhampton was terribly affected due to a heavy reliance on iron and steel production, do you remember Horseley Fields and Monmore Green before the recession?

    Each of the reasons I gave combined to produce a unique set of circumstances.
     
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    haha well put :D
     
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    That's right: attendances were hitting record lows all over the place in the 80's. Low crowds were the norm even in the top division.

    I remember the wolves programmes between 83-85 always going on about record low crowds here and low crowds there, gloom and doom all round.

    Must be hard for younger fans who have grown up on the glamour and glitz of the premier league to comprehend the state of the game in the 80's.

    If I remember right there was even talk of walsall, wolves and birmingham city sharing a ground at one point.
     
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    Good post. Often hard to understand the drop in attendances (apart from the obvious plummet to the 4th division) when not having experienced it.
     
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    With us being so close to extinction, were there any plans in place for a 'phoenix club' should the worse have happened?
     
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    I understood your post but decided to answer form a different perspective.

    Marks out of ten are for teachers.:p
     
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    Not that I was aware of although others might have some further knowledge.

    The biggest fear was dropping out of the Football League altogether as that was looking increasingly possible. As is now common knowledge, for four years from the 'save' of 1982 the club had been allowed to crumble.

    At the meeting in 1986 (I was at it in case you were unaware of some previous posts) it was really a 'scratch the head' type of thing. No one really knew what was going to happen, just that 'something' had to.

    It was at that meeting that the late John Bird, leader of the council, mooted the idea that the council might be able to purchase the land on which Molineux stood. There was little chance of the council finding money to buy the club, due to not being something taxpayers money should be used for.

    There were some issues about the Bhattis wanting planning permission for development of land I think where the Asda is now from memory although stand to be corrected, but the council refused to do so. That is one argument why the Bhattis left the club in the state it was in. A poor reason for me if this was true. I don't think anyone really knew what the Bhattis were about. They certainly were not interested in Football or the well being of the club.

    Anyway the council did buy the land to ensure no development would ever be carried out on Molineux other than for the club.

    That has been recently put on a 999 year lease I believe so Morgan could redevelop with a bit of 'security' or that is how I understand it, but again others might be able to add more.
     
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    I was at that meeting with 2000 others as well BNW, I think the Council like everyone else wanted to know more about the Bhatti's intentions. As the Bhatti's became uncontactable people understandably became suspicious. Why should permission be granted if they cant even run the daily operations of a football club. i.e Print any Season tickets.

    There was just a single bloke operating the terrace turnstile and not sure he got paid for it.

    So the Council bought the land to protect Wolves long term status at Molineux.

    I was on the dole then and had been for two years, as were nearly all my mates, then I got an Manpower Services Commission job at £48 per week (1986). My Whitmore Reans mates were nearly all ex foundry workers, too tough a job for me :)-
     
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    I was a lottery agent for the 20p scratch cards , used my commission to pay on the gate
     
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    (Re quoted post at the top) Reans I understand the town was in $$$$ state, wasn't a Tory council voted in who hiked up various rates & closed down factories all over the place. Not sure unemployment was 37% mind but it was bad.

    Our gates were below Walsall's though let alone West Broms after 21 thousand fans walked away on average. 2 seasons later after promotions they were up to 17k again in the same sorry looking ground. I doubt Thatcher turned things around that much in 2 years.

    I don't know the full stories of the Bhattis but I heard they got knocked back when trying to build various complexes into the Molineux area such as hotels & retail outlets then got annoyed after being refused council permission (racism was thrown around) so called it a day & tried sell it all. Not certain whether they had planned to keep the football there & build round it, move it or let it die.
     
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    Sorry I did exaggerate - St Peters Ward was 37% unemployment and Low Hill about 36%. But yes they are true unemployment rates. Wolverhampton as a whole was probably about 27%. It was only behind Liverpool in term sof long-term unemployment rates.

    Thatcher certainly didnt turn anything around - I am not neccessarily saying she was solely to blame for the closure of steel and iron works as well as mining nearby, but she certainly didnt give a flying **** about the decimation of industry in the cities I can tell you. Much of our support comprosed of ironworkers and miners (Cannock etc). Around 3-4000 jobs were lost when Bilston Steel works closed, and there was a massive knock on effect from that too. The depression had vast impact on gates, also the hooligan issue deterred families. You may want to look at gates at even the big clubs - Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea all getting 15-20000.

    Wolves had the recession and also the Bhattis' combined - I am not excusing people but it was generally a Wolverhampton you would not recognise from today. many men had no other skills and there was nothing they could do.

    Of course it was a working class game largely back then. Watched by working class people. Unlike today.
     
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    Should be Pride Of The West Midlands with those.

    Stoke apart, the team with the greatest future prospects would be Derby at the mo. (and I include PL Villa and Leicester in that consideration)

    Stoke 8, Albion 5, Villa 5, Leicester 4, Derby 8, Wolves 6, Blues 4, Forest 3, Chesterfield 5, Posh 4,

    Notts Co, Port Vale, Walsall, Coventry, Cobblers and Uncle Tom Cobleigh 3. (Left out MK Dons as just a bit too far south to be properly 'Midlands.')
     

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