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Points system for away games

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Feb 13, 2019.

  1. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    I know there's already been lots of derision about this. I was of the mindset that it was the fairest method to distribute tickets but I'm starting to see that it definitely isn't.

    The points system means that it's pretty much a closed shop when it comes to obtaining away tickets. Fans with enough points get away tickets even if they have zero intention of attending.

    These tickets are handed out to mates, mates of mates. Sold on Twitter and Facebook, sometimes for a profit. This has to stop.

    Until last season I went to most away games in the South, I'd pick one, two or three in the Midlands or up North. I'd generally see about ten away games a season. I can't go to every game, I can't afford it, I don't have the time and even if I did the missus ain't gonna be happy about it, so I'd pick and choose.

    I can't get tickets anymore, if I did it would be through someone else's supporter number. I've no way of improving my own points in order to get tickets that I used to get when we were ****.

    It would be dangerous to continue down this road. If and when we hit the skids people like me will be out of the habit of attending away matches. It won't be easy to get us back.

    These new "superfans" wont bother with a bottom of the table clash away at Crystal Palace if the novelty wears off. I don't even want to think about life in a lower division (where, might I add I still hit double figures in away games).

    Wolves need to safeguard future away support. Maybe some away season tickets should be available. But the rest need to make it on general sale. We always had good away support, the current policy could destroy that.
     
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    AberWolf Groupie

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    Christ. Do we have to? Do Man United have to have this conversation every week?
     
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  4. ShropshireLad

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    Well said, @Bill S Preston Esq. My daughter loved going to the occasional game but hasn't been able to go to one at all this season except for the Fulham away when Xmas family arrangements and travel issues made it impossible to do so. She, like many others (as you suggest), needs to see the odd game to keep the magic of it all alive.

    Those that have an away season ticket probably won't be interested or will say "tough luck" and therein lies the issue.
     
  5. haveaniceday

    haveaniceday Newbie

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    It's a difficult one. I myself had a season ticket for 10 years but am now based in Manchester and unable to attend a good few home games a season making a season ticket somewhat a waste. I've never had an issue getting tickets to local North West away games but this season its proven impossible. I've purchased off fans for away games, some off this forum, that have been nice guys and also agree that the system is somewhat broken. However, if they don't buy an away ticket and sell it on (not for profit) someone else will and they'll inevitably end up missing out on the away games they want to attend. I don't blame them to be honest, if I was in their position I'd do the same.

    I don't think its perfect but I struggle to see how you can make it much more fair. As much as I'd love to attend the away games that I can, I do think fans who have season tickets deserve them more so than me. The only resolution I can think of is all tickets being on smartcards scanned at games, making secondary ticket sales more difficult. This is obviously hard to implement as it would have to work at away grounds.

    In summary, it's not the best system and I myself am on the wrong side of it, but I don't know what the alternate is..
     
  6. loopy lupine

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    To sum up, you want the ability to pick and choose your games, and you want the club to support you in that?
    In your own words, you intimate that you would've had enough to start building your points up at the start of the season, you would've been given first refusal for the first few away games and would be one of the chosen "superfans" now. But you didn't fancy Leicester, Man U, West Ham and now you can't get a ticket for Bristol, you're complaining?

    Rather than pointing out the perceived issue, what system would you come up with?
    IMO, the system we have is the fairest. The fans who traveled and supported last season had first refusal this season, and whilst I understand the frustration, it is rewarding the loyalty of the fans.
     
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  7. Cart78

    Cart78 Senior Member

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    "Superfans"?? ... Those with Gold away seasons tickets brought them when they were first introduced (I'm not one by the way). They haven't just come in this season, so those guys did go before we were successful.

    There is no other fair way then loyalty points. It isn't perfect but there is nothing better. Otherwise you will have a scenario where those that have gone home and away for years not being able to get tickets which definitely isn't fair.

    With regards to those only keeping the gold away season ticket with no intention of going and then selling on to others, this could potentially be policed by the club by doing random checks at the away ground to ensure the person who brought the ticket is the one using it and then taking their away season ticket and loyalty points off them as a deterrent to that. But I don't see the club being bothered enough to do it and it certainly wouldn't go down well with the fan base.
     
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    Apologies if this has been discussed but couldn't there be a ballot for a fixed number of tickets per away match, even if it was just for 10%, say 300 tickets?
     
  9. Bankswolf The Third

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    I give you an example. I had a chance in jobs which meant I could start going to games. I went to Boro and Bolton away and a few others because I had work free to partake in my passion.
    When the away games came around I missed out by a country mile on Leicester and United but rather than moan I went to Sheffield Wednesday away, Leicester cup game at home with friends and so on and have now been to every away game since bar Fulham and Cardiff which I couldnt attend because of work.
    If they had chucked those games on general sale I would have probably not bothered to be part of the mad scramble to get tickets as all the glory hunters (which you suggested are buying tickets second hand) rushed in to film themselves on their big day out. Instead I attend away games seeing the same people and managing to build good rapport with those whose loyalty has been rewarded.
    The FACT is this. Three years ago this thread wouldnt have existed but because there is a an element of success attached everyone who hasnt bothered are now upset because they see those who have been going for years attend. The system is fine. Pirate tickets are an issue everywhere, you try booking a gig and come back to me about how corrupted ticket purchasing can be.
     
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  10. Netherton Wolf

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    As others have what do you want the club to do, on average we get 3k away tkts & they could probably sell 5k+ For most matches, more for the big games, I have only been able to get tickets for Newcastle & Man City away this season but no way would I expect to get tickets for other games over people who go away week in week out, atm our demand is far greater than the supply.
     
  11. ShropshireLad

    ShropshireLad Just doesn't shut up

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    That's a balanced reply, mate. However, it does bring to the surface the slippery side of the system which is open to exploitation and the "I'm alright, Jack" aspect for those who are on the inside of it.
     
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    Ive always attended 5/6 away games a season and had no trouble getting tickets, till last year.
    Thanks to other fans ive managed to go to 3 so far this year, but can see where the op is coming from, i suppose using their supporter no.s just increases their points levels and makes it ever more a closed shop.
     
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    The loyalty points system is the fairest way of supplying the unprecedented demand, it just gets needlessly abused. Main thing that ****es me off is when you'll see someone post on social media that they have 'spares' weeks before the game and try to sell them at face value plus booking fee. Just take them back to the club and get your money back if the owner can't go...;):rolleyes:

    I will say though, on the few occasions I've seen people who have previously given out supporter numbers, and now can't get their ticket for a particular match because that stranger has used their supporter number again without permission... well, it makes me laugh!:D
     
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    I was hoping that this thread was about giving 4 points for an away win and that we are now in a champions league spot
     
  15. haveaniceday

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    All those who accrued high amounts of points last season are rightfully ahead of the overwhelming majority when it comes to away tickets. I myself went to about 10 games last year, a mixture of home and away. I've been to 5 games so far this season (with some tickets bought off fans rather than the official site ) so I'm rightfully behind a large number of fans for away games. Looks unlikely I'll even get the chance to buy one from the site this season and claim the loyalty points I deserve, but that's the way it is unfortunately. I'd sooner buy the tickets face value, miss out on the loyalty points and see the game. I think it'd be a good move to maybe have 10% of the away tickets available to fans via a ballot who are members who've accrued a certain amount last season/over the last two.But then, I'd feel for those 10% who went to a load of games last year who now miss out, but I certainly don't think the current "closed shop" situation is particularly positive and effectively stops a lot of fans from being able to attend an away game ever.
     
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    It's a flawed system, you buy an AST , and you keep your points up by simply selling on your ticket , trouble is there is no policing of said system. As I've said many times there's loads of fans that go to away games that have neither a home ST or an away ST because their mate(s) sell them theirs
    There will be some families who have 2 AST , the second one in the name of someone who never goes just to be able to do this.
    I've given up any hope of getting to away games going forward , and because of this "system" I can't accrue enough points to get to an away cup tie. Never mind , I enjoyed the league one tour when no one was arsed
     
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    Only way i can see to solve this would be to print the name of each fan on the away tickets and then provide ID at the turnstile. This is costly and time-inefficient so it wouldn't be done but it would immediately stop people with higher loyalty points from just buying tickets and then worrying about selling them on later.

    I think the idea of c.10% of tickets going into a ballot for say 'Season ticket holders with 1050 points or less + members' would be a sensible idea, but again is costly and time-inefficient.

    I think the OP is suggesting some should be made available for general sale? I disagree with that.

    When c. 10k would want to go to Bristol and there are only 3.5k tickets - there is just no way to please even half of the people!
     
  18. GoldenHorseshoe

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    I thought this thread was going to suggest 4 points for an away win. o_O
     
  19. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Off the top of my head and in response to others calling me out for a solution........

    We get 3000 tickets for most games. Safeguard the Gold season ticket tickets (1000) with the same system. The next 1000 sold on a points system. 1000 or what's left (which on occasion will be nil) sold on general sale giving us all a ****ing chance at least.
     
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    Sloppy seconds :D
     
  21. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Tweak the less than 1050 points to everyone regardless of points.
     
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    Or we could all just camp outside the ticket office for 3 days before every game?
     
  23. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    In summary the biggest point I'm making is the potential for damaging our wonderful away support down the line needs to be nipped in the bud in my opinion.
     
  24. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Not fair on everyone with a job/life/differing circumstances.

    Do you have anything sensible to offer?
     
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    It is what it is, suck it up and stop bitching about it.

    You’ve already admitted that you benefitted from obtaining tickets via someone else’s supporter number so are you not being hypocritical here?

    FYI I am in the same boat as you. I had been to 6 away and Cup games last year so started the season with 1060. As the first few games were based on last years total, I managed to get a ticket for Leicester away and had I continued to go to every away game I would have amassed enough points to carry on going this year when this years points kicked in.

    I didn’t, and accept that those who attend every game (or have a ticket and sell it on for the odd one they can’t attend) take priority over me.

    How many teams have sold out their allocation at Molineux this season? Not many. Give it 2 years and the novelty will have worn off and you’ll have no problem getting away tickets.
     
  26. ShropshireLad

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    I'd do away with loyalty points altogether and allow a first come first served system.
     
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    If it’s a closed shop how have I managed to get 1130 (1150 once Bristol and Huddersfield’s points are added) when I only went to 1 away game last season?

    Excuses.

    Go to the crap games that struggle to sell out which in turn will give you a chance of getting your foot in the door
     
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    Correct. There were tickets available for Huddersfield and even Man City at around 1040 points due to it being on a weekday, so go to a preseason game and couple of cup games and you have enough points.
     
  29. Darren M (Dazza)

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    I don’t have a gold or silver away ticket. I could not get tickets for Man U. Or Bournemouth due to numbers. I can purchase my Chelsea ticket on Saturday. I have 1150 points. It’s not a closed shop at all. I went to 6 away last year. About the same the year before. Cup games are the key. You have just got to be on the ball at the start of the season. Including friendly games. See you all at Bristol
     
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    I think it's more the fact that people are buying every away ticket with no intention of attending said game and selling them on that has aggravated people. It's certainly annoyed me, but as I said, as long as I end up with a ticket, be it from a fellow supporter or the site, thats the most important thing for me.
     
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    yes it's frustrating. I live in Poole and have been to nearly every match against Bournemouth (< 10 miles away) since the mid 80s and never been a problem getting tickets, no chance of getting one in home or away end this year. When demand outstrips supply there's always going to be some who miss out as to what the fairest system is I don't know

    and to be honest if the system meant I could get a ticket I probably wouldn't care that much if it was fair or not


    I do think there could be some tweak to the system though. I think its right that those who go regularly should get some priority, the problem is when there is more demand everyone else has virtually 0 chance of a ticket, maybe a few could be held back for a ballot that all (who don't already have a ticket) could enter. At least that way there would be a chance, if only a small one of getting a ticket
     
  32. Netherton Wolf

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    Did that is the 70s :):)
     
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    I don't recall this bleating in the Championship under Lambert.

    Man United run a ballot, they get on average 10-12k fans apply for an away ticket, each game.

    Their card details are on the system and basically, the club debit the money from your account if successful with your application.

    I'd hate that system.

    Majority of us Goldies have been on the scheme for years, hence why there is 'only' 1,100 of us.
     
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    I assume that is a tongue in cheek comment
     
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    Its easy to stop the selling of tickets on.

    Should have to print your photo on your season ticket/membership card, use it as id at away games, stewards could do spot checks at home/away games, anyone without correct id banned from purchasing away tickets for 12 months?
    Atleast then, those buying tickets with no intention of attending would be deterred.
     
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    And I highly doubt Gold members buy tickets to sell on. They've already got a guaranteed ticket for every away game?

    They don't need the points. We start off on 3,000 loyalty points.
     
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    Pagey, you could implement that at Molineux but an away club just want away fans in the stadium ASAP.

    Their stewards will not be interested in checking your photo to see if it matches a name on a match ticket. They just want you in the stadium ASAP.
     
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    Good point, wasnt aware of that tbf!
     
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    I always thought it would be a bad idea to give a supporter number away to a stranger for this very reason.
     
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    How does that work, surely the supporter number is linked to their address and the tickets are sent there ?
     

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