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Norwich 2-0 Wolves (FT) Verdict

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Pessimistic Wolf, Feb 14, 2015.

  1. Pessimistic Wolf

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    Don't often post on here anymore, but the spirit has taken me and I've collated some of my thoughts on the result and what it means. Apologies if someone else usually starts the verdict, but I'm not that up to scratch with MM procedure anymore :embarassed:

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    It's disappointed to be beaten so roundly by one of our immediate competitors. I think perhaps this has something to do with the Huddersfield result. It's very difficult to justify wholesale changes to a team that has just won 4-1 away. Yet, I expect for Jackett it was a matter of balancing this newly established team cohesion and impetus (seen in the impressive front 4), and the right team/formation for the opponents.

    In this respect, I wager that Jackett took the gamble that we could out-attack Norwich as we did against Huddersfield, but this didn't pay off because we seem to be struggling with possession in the final third. That would explain the move to more of a 4-2-3-1/4-5-1 formation with the introduction of Edwards quite early in the second half. Does that make this Jackett’s fault? Yeah, a little bit in the sense that he’s taken a calculated risk which hasn’t paid off, but you can see the logic in his thought process. It affirms that we have a clever manager who isn’t afraid of taking risks, which on balance I value higher than someone immovably stuck in their ways.

    It's true that the bench is weak and that this boils down to transfer activity. Someone rightly pointed out that the absence of impact subs is related to playing our 4 fastest/most powerful attacks at the same time, but there is still a worrying paucity. Perhaps this relates to the failure of the academy to bring through a good striker in the last year, as it has done successfully in most other areas of the pitch.

    I don't think, however, that this says very much about how this season will end up. This is one of few uncharacteristic examples of us getting beaten in midfield and up top by a team with better players. Our terrible form against Forest/Derby/Brentford boiled down to defensive frailties. This result doesn't fit into a clear category, and on its own isn't that instructive of our prospects.

    Therefore, talk of our season ending in mid-Feb – as much as I appreciate how loss ignites passions – is a dramatic overstatement. The inconsistency of our recent form suggests that the future is difficult to conclusively predict. There are 15 more games to go with the opportunity to double our existing points tally, as unlikely as that is. It’s important not let emotion cloud analysis and reason.

    Critics of the footballing establishment at Wolves might suggest that we’re happy enough to languish mid-table. I agree that we did not see enough investment in January, for reasons that neither I nor many posters can intelligibly speculate on. However I think this interpretation is running the risk of blurring into a dogmatic opposition of Moxey and Morgan, which perpetuates an unbelievably cynical and pretty counter-economic viewpoint. It’s all too easy to blame the silent higher echelons quite reductively for complicated problems in such a conspiratorial fashion, especially when those higher echelons’ success and profit is directly proportionate to the success of the team.


    I look forward to seeing how Jackett and the team react and learn from this experience against Rotherham, who arguably are cut from a similar cloth as Huddersfield.

    NB: I should clarify that I was not at the match, nor did I follow it on WM. My understanding of proceedings is informed by the Wolves live blog, but I've tried not to wade into individual performances or tactical nuance too much, owing to this ignorance.
     
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  2. Hebburn Wolves

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    heres a thought wolves may of been beaten just by a better team.
     
  3. Pessimistic Wolf

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    Yeah, well in a lot of ways, that's the point I'm getting at.
     
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    Awful, didn't have a shot. Gave the travelling fans nothing to shout about. Complete waste of time and £35 ticket.
     
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    There's no excuse for being found wanting in terms of effort though.
     
  6. Just seen the goals. Have to say both were shockers. Hopefully WS10 will provide insight but lets be honest the wide players were ineffective and I will be interested to hear what's happening with Price/Mac. You really need to get the ball quickly into Dicko and Afobe. Whether its the movement up front or just an inability to pass the ball who knows. Our two strikers starved of service - not an ideal situation.
     
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    It appears on the face of it Jackett's 'We are average' revelation was not exactly motivational
     
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    Most disappointing part for me was not replacing VLP and Sako with Jacobs and Henry.
     
  9. Barnet Wolves

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    Did OP go to thesaurus.com and find/replace?

    Nothing conspiratorial about pointing out the obvious, namely M&Ms track record. Not a very good one and on this forum we like to speculate why, the most obvious (and popular) opinion on this site states that the second tier of english football is the height of the club's ambition under the current "upper echelons". The rest of us don't think that's good enough.
     
  10. andyc225

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    Not really. Neither of those players are good enough for where we want to be.
     
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    Was an idiotic thing to say to the press, in my opinion.
     
  12. Pessimistic Wolf

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    I didn't think my choice of words hindered the message I was trying to convey, since you've also offered a response to one of my arguments, but fair enough.

    M&M's track record has seen us in three different divisions in the last ten years. The people who run the club now are the same people who saw us into the PL and kept us up twice, so I think it's unreasonable to imply that reaching the PL again is not part of the club's ambition.

    The popularity of an opinion on MM is pretty irrelevant, and I think if we're having a discussion about that opinion, it surely cannot be tremendously "obvious".

    I can see that we like to speculate (and I realise this sounds quite patronising, but I fully admit that I'm probably among the least schooled in business management) - but it's quite unlikely that many of our posters have experience owning or managing the administration and finance of a multimillion pound business which is as accountable to its customers/supporters as a football club is - so I think a lot of our speculation is pretty empty and often more guided by prejudice and emotion than business experience.

    This brings round my point that I think the argument that M&M have no ambitions of significant success is an oversimplification of a pretty long term business strategy.

    edit: saying that, I'm conscious that this is a verdict thread, and perhaps discussions about board ambition should be done elsewhere.
     
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  13. No, he said our performances in three games were average and he felt we could play better. I like the fact he's tried a few combos and I like the fact that if he hasn't already realised it he probably soon will that we are in fact a bang average Championship side. He has no hope in hell of polishing a few turds. Assessment and transition. I see steady progress and I am sure we will progress further in 2015/16.
     
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    Or maybe the performance was not good enough.
     
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    I haven't heard this revelation yet. So what has changed in the last few weeks when KJ was still talking of even automatic promotion?:rolleyes:
     
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    I only listened to the Comms, but they were right that Norwich have so many internationals, seasoned Prem players and expensive buys. They have now hit form, like Derby did prior to them thrashing us, so let's not get carried away with negativity. We will hit form again and fight hard to get into the play-offs, which are not beyond us - 5 points with a third of the season left and two home games to come. Its a long season so every club will expect bad defeats (we beat Norwich at home, remember!).
     
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    if thats the case the performance hasnt been good enough for many games so far this season. or is that the making of a mid table team.
     
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    A result I fully expected, by team who have IMO the best by a mile on paper.
     
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    Sounded like an absolute shocker of a performance
     
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    KJ is at the level that he's happy at I.E. Managing in this division . He has never managed at a higher level,and I do not think he ever will. I would love to be proven wrong,especially with Wolves , but cannot see it. KJ is doing a descent job,but how long will it take for the majority to become disgruntled if we end up stagnant in this division . I'm satisfied with this season so far,but next season would like to witness more consistency & goals


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    It's an ascent job we need!
     
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    I am not saying it wasn't, but it could meant as a sly dig at those above .
    Alternatively, it could be kidology to fire the players up to prove otherwise.

    If it was said purely out of frustration, then it was very unwise.
     
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    You've got no arguments from me. I'm pretty satisfied with where we are, it was always going to be tough to build sufficient momentum to go up twice and additionally I'm more than comfortable with the financial 'resetting' we seem to be doing to relay improved foundations.

    However reading some reports on her there is the allusion that the players lacked application, and regardless of the context you have to ask the question did we give the players an excuse to have an off day?




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    Terrible terrible performance got everything we deserved.
    Iorfa played well.
    Could jackett please tell bath to just pass the ball to the nearest wolves player instead of just smacking it 40 yards.
     
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    This is the main concern for me, obviously not attended (no train back)so can only base my judgement on what I hear/read, same as Tuesday.

    However, have attended 8 of the 9 previous games since the beginning of December, missed Watford away but watched on TV, and think the results have largely disguised the fact that we have been poor in most of the games and created very little.
     
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    I think he's done that since he took over,but my worries are we're at a level that'll be tough to improve on.


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  27. From what I head from Jackett he put Dave on to quiet one of the Norwich midfielders with the hope we'd get runners from deep and the wide players get into it more. This number ten role is so pivotal but you need somebody who can control and keep the ball with some sort of physicality. I feel Jacobs would have been bossed in there. VLP just isn't at it and I think Sako needs to play much further forward. Surely four defenders and two deep midfielders should allow this. I hope the lad Simpson gets a go at it but I honestly feel Hause should be pushing for a more central position when Golbourne is okay.
     
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    But maybe good enough to get us there?
     
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    Hopefully taking the place of Batth who just hasnt really stepped up this season
     
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    I doubt it. They haven't made much of an impression so far. Jacobs has been poor in the few outings he's had. Henry is too slow in my opinion.
     
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    KJ summary off the BBC

    Wolves manager Kenny Jackett:
    "To be honest Norwich eased us out of the game and we were never able to build up a head of steam. It's disappointing after the way we played at Huddersfield on Tuesday night (in a 4-1 win).
    "But we have still got 15 games left and there is still an opportunity for us. I think we need 30 points, two a game from now on in, and that is perfectly possible.
    "That would get us up to 78 points and that will usually get you in the play-offs."
     
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    Next season. When Sako leaves, could we go for a 352/532 system?

    Hause, Stearman and Iofra are the ideal type of defenders for that type of system, allows 2 strikers actually upfront and 3 midfielders?

    Just a thought
     
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    You need 3 defenders that are quick or relatively quick, Batth moves as quick as a stair lift at times, Stearman is okay Hause is the only one I'd trust with 3 at the back

    And two up front wont work Dicko and Afobe are the same striker
     
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    Well I guess KJ has to say these kinds of things to keep up the illusion we are a serious promotion candidate. But we aren't because for reasons best known to him and his blessed board there has not been the additional strengthening required even on loan. The lack of options off the bench is glaringly obvious to everyone bar Mr Jackett it seems. Why oh why has he not forced the issue with the board if he is serious about promotion? And if there is money then get a couple of loanees in this week. What have we got to lose? I despair sometimes with our club. There is not the will or the ambition there just tired repetitions. I think Moxey has just said we got you Akobe and kept Sako that's it mate.
     
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    $$$$ me the people on this forum make me laugh. jackett says we are playing average football in the previous games to Huddersfield, which is absolutely true. We then beat Huddersfield and loose to Norwich and it's jacket isn't fit for where we are.

    Remember, MM inherited us in the Championship, not league 1, and it took three seasons.

    Have a day off
     
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    We kept sako and spend c2m on an unproven player.

    What did our rivals do that was so ground breaking?
     
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    too many impatient fans, Its going to take time for us to get this team together like 08-09 but like i said fans are just impatient and expect promotion NOW
     
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    Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I wish we could have signed Ronaldo on deadline day, but I also remember exactly how far we have come in under 2 years. None of which was jacketts doing.

    Gets on my $$$$ing nerves how fickle we all are.
     
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    I don't remember Mick making out the squad was good enough in those first two seasons. He was restricted in his initial backing, we are led to believe KJ isn't.
     
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    $$$$ me the nostalgia amazes me. As much as I love mick and everything he did, he made the fatal mistake of believing his squad was good enough when it wasn't.
     

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