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New bidder for prem tv rights

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by waggys left foot, Jan 27, 2015.

  1. waggys left foot

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  2. DawleyWolf

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    and the players will get richer - those tattoos cost money you know!

    and the gap between the PL and the other leagues becomes more pronounced

    a race to the top or the bottom?
     
  3. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    Hasn't it already been proven by ESPN and Settanta that having just the odd PL game isn't viable for a subscription channel?
     
  4. derbyrameater

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    Competition must mean competition IMO. the seasons games should be shared between the bidders and games drawn out of the hat.

    But it ain't gonna happen coz it's the Greed Div you know!
     
  5. Woburn Wolf

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    An impractical suggestion, I think. It could make it ridiculously expensive to watch Prem (and even Championship) football, assuming there were a number of bidders. I am OK with Sky having the lion's share of the games - if it ain't broke don't fix it!
     
  6. goldeneyed

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    Unfortunately the Greed League is the only place to be. You look at Stoke, West Brom, Swansea etc who are a long way to at least establishing themselves in the Premier League and then you look at us playing with the possibility of promotion but not seemingly going all out to bridge the gap. A gap that is likely to widen even further if the club don't get their act together and leave us stranded amongst the 'also rans'. Effectively under Moxey we have become an established second division team. I can hear Stan Cullis and Billy Wright turning in their graves at the lack of leadership, ambition and vision.
     
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    Don't want to go up yet though, we just aren't ready for our slice of that 4 billion.
     
  8. Jonzy54

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    Yes.We are concerned that our final Parachute payment of £8M will run out in 2016 whereas those coming down that season will have around £69M in their back pocket with more to follow.
    The gap is now a chasm.
     
  9. Mr Wolf

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    If Sky loose the rights it will be $$$$ for most football fans, same money, well more for the clubs just less fans able to watch it or having to pay more for an extra subscription.
     
  10. StefanWolves

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    BT Sport for example is more than just a channel. It's Sky v BT, and if BT take more games as well as the Champions league they've already nabbed it will spell huge problems for Sky as an entity.

    No idea why Discovery want in unless they're gonna team up with someone like EE, or maybe Sky themselves (Eurosport owned by Discovery, also available on the basic Sky sports package...)
     
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  11. Urko

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    Just as Moxey successfully lobbies for the relaxation of Financial Fair Play rules in the Championship.

    You really couldn't make it up.
     
  12. StefanWolves

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    By the way... Looks like PL highlights are on the way back to ITV.,with Lineker covering CL on BT Sport. Bye bye MOTD :(
     
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    Oh FFS - I just can't be doing with ITV football coverage, not a great fan of the BBC's efforts but was awful on ITV and their Champions League coverage is pitiful.
     
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    All the more reason we need to get our share of it. Parachute payts will be enormous, greatly increasing the chances of those relegated clubs going straight back up. Those top 23/25 clubs will totally dominate football with very little chance other clubs will be able to break in. It will be a bit like the Champs Lg where for ever only a select band of clubs are in a position to qualify. Whist we have Sako this is our big chance to try to get back with the big boys. Let's worry about the Prem when we get in it?!
     
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    That's the point I'm making, BT are using it to lure customer to take the whole package including Internet ect.
     
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    Maybe Sky have had a word with Eurosports owners and asked for a bit of help... no way can Sky alone compete with BT on the cash front.
     
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    Part of the deal would be a cross business package or season ticket.
     
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    This point gets raised whenever the PL money goes up which is now seemingly every year.

    Clubs have to throw more and more money at trying to stay up, as its an arms race, all it does is end up in the players/agents/CEO's pockets and going out of the game.

    Clubs will come down with even bigger salaries which will eat away at any additional money they've earned very quickly plus we've all seen there's little correlation between money spend and position in the championship.

    Trying to stay up, there's always been a gap between newly promoted teams, it's just both will have more to spend.

    The main gap it widens is the gap between PL clubs and their foreign counter parts. Where QPR are able to spend more on wages than Atletico Madrid for example...
     
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    Sky do a phenomenal job of bringing football to the people, as do BT.

    I remember the days before sky when you got the occasional sunday TV game and the occasional Saturday FAcup game on TV. The rest was made up by MOTD and highlights on the local news if you we're lucky.

    People bleat annd moan about sky etc but as a football fan it provides a means to enjoy it that previously wasn't there.

    Personally id say let sky (or one other single source) have ALL the football which will ultimately make it cheaper for the consumer.

    I personally would create a season ticket service or an access credit.
     
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    Competition thanks to our EU friends has actually driven the price of tv football up.

    If a third company wins one of the packages it will cost the consumer even more money.
     
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    When did British Telecom get so rich?
     
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    I do think Moxey will finally be on his way if the parachute payments cease in 2016 (i.e. if we fail to achieve promotion this season or next). Basically there will not be enough money left in the club to pay him what he is used to raking off. Every cloud has a silver lining as they say.
     
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    This is because the EU doesn't understand the meaning of competition in this market. They can't seem to understand that the monopoly is held by the rights holder, and not by the broadcasters - as a result it is the consumer who has suffered.

    However, more money will only benefit the super elite. Stoke, West Brom and Swansea may have been mentioned above but they will NEVER be established as Premier League clubs as there are 12 or 13 clubs who are all only one bad season away from relegation. As a result, they'll all continue to overpay, splashing and thrashing cash around in the same pool of players. They won't make a profit just as they've been unable to do even though their incomes have already increased dramatically.

    To use Stoke as an example (a relatively low-paying club), their income has doubled since 2009. Last year they actually managed to record a small profit (basically it's break-even) which was entirely due to the large income increase from the latest TV deal. However I will guarantee that their wage bill will steadily rise and that small profit will be turned straight into a loss.

    The majority of the Premier League clubs do not become richer by giving them more money.
     
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    As I've put on another thread I've got an alternative to sky subscription. Inbox me if your interested.
     
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    How long until clubs negotiate rights with providers for all of their games to be broadcast on TV on a subscription basis? Doesn't this happen in Italy? All funds to the clubs involved and leaving vast stadiums with poor crowds.
     
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    As you say stoke made a profit 2013-2014
    Swansea and wba 2014 finances haven't been declared yet but in 2013.

    Swansea made £21m profit and no debt
    wba made £6m profit with no debt.

    it is possible to try and become established in the premier league without being stupid with the money.
     
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    Does that mean the football league show will be on earlier :)
     
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    Yes, it will be shown earlier from next season. But on Channel 5 not BBC, so likely laced with ads.
     
  29. StefanWolves

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    At least it'll be on at a reasonable time

    To whoever asked how BT got so rich, look at the cash they're sitting on. They have a massive surplus just sitting there waiting to be spent. The acquisition of EE shows this.
     
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    This is not really the point. How secure is the status of any of the clubs you mention in the Premier League? Not secure at all. Any of them could be relegated at any time.

    All clubs should have shown a profit in 2013-14 as their incomes increased by around £30m each from increased TV revenue. In the next few years, though, increased wages will consume that profit, and more, as players use it to bargain their own positions. How do I know this will happen? Because it's exactly what has already happened over the last 20 years.

    As this income rises, which is due not to the clubs individually, they become more dependant on it. The penalty for relegation becomes even greater, forcing transfer fees and wages up further - without I should add any corresponding increase in quality.

    This vicious circle will continue indefinitely. It was only 12 months ago that Norwich were being praised, and praising themselves, for their marvellous profitable PL model.
     
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    Source for this dogmatic statement?? There are many rumours about the new deals, but as the blind bidding is still underway, why be so pessimistic?

    I'd heard that Jesse Lingard was being lined up as a MOTD co-presenter...
     
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    Google is your friend
     
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    If your Delphic post is supposed to give more validity to your original guess, imo you have failed.
     
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    Renewed until 2019. Thank $$$$ for that.
     
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    Perhaps they ought to retire Shearer now!
     
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    Stefan ITK there then????!!!!!!
     

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