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  1. Penk Wolf

    Penk Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Why do so many on here pick out negativity in stories rather than taking stories as they are?

    For example:

    BBC WM Sport 95.6 @sportbbcwm · 17m 17 minutes ago
    #Wolves Kenny Jackett says no prospect of transfers in or out before Saturday's game. #wwfc @bbcwm

    BBC WM Sport 95.6 @sportbbcwm · 14m 14 minutes ago
    #Wolves Jackett doesn't rule out transfers before deadline but would be content if he has the current squad for rest of season. #wwfc @bbcwm

    People decide that we won't be signing anyone else, although Jackett clearly states 'Jackett doesn't ruler out transfers before deadline'.

    Then we have the Sako article where is says at the end "There remains uncertainty as to when he will join the Londoners - during this window or for free in the summer". So, clearly the article is made up else they'd know exactly when he was leaving, but people have now decided he's in talks with QPR.

    Do people get a kick out of it or do they just want bad things to happen so they can moan?
     
  2. andyc225

    andyc225 Just doesn't shut up

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    Sako has already said he won't leave to be relegated in a couple of months. L'Equipe is normally reliable but this Sako stuff comes from a total non-story.
     
  3. Golden_Wolf

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    I don't know if they want bad things to happen (some probably do which is quite an odd thing for one to think about their own club) but then it gives them a chance to do what they love and beat down Moxey & Morgan.

    To be honest though I can see where people are coming from. I think it was after the Watford game that KJ mentioned he wanted to strengthen and while I think the signing of Afobe could turn out to be a good piece of business the fact we haven't brought anyone else in (at the time of writing) is, not worrying for me, but just disappointing.

    Part of me does wonder if we're just waiting till we lose the wages of Doyle, Johnson & a few others and make our mark in the summer but at the minute I'm in more hope of that than being certain.

    I suppose it just suits peoples "agendas" for things to go tits up but I don't blame people but it does come a bit repetitive.
     
  4. Penk Wolf

    Penk Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    If no one else comes in then I think people moaning on Tuesday is fine and can understand it, but it seems that they take anything that's negative in an article as fact, but ignore anything that isn't.
     
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    The Premier League is within touching distance this season, fans can see that, hence their frustration with the club for not appreciating the opportunity and adding some extra quality that could make the difference
     
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  6. Penk Wolf

    Penk Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    That's not the point I'm trying to make.
     
  7. Golden_Wolf

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    True I just think people feel as though they've heard it before sort of thing.

    To be honest I think if we do bring in one/two more for the first team then most of those people who are moaning won't be seen on here till we lose/hit poor form but expecting people to wait to moan on here? C'mon Penk. You know how it is on here.

    I agree with what Wagstaff says too. Suppose it doesn't help that we've seen our promotion "rivals" strengthen as well.
     
  8. Bumbamuffin

    Bumbamuffin Just doesn't shut up

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    Probably because there is very little trust in those running the club.
     
  9. molinew

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    I appreciate anyone who disagrees with me is right to tell me to go somewhere else if I don't like it, and the fact I'm posting probably undermines my argument somewhat, but I'm getting sick and tired of coming here and reading negative opinions all the time.

    It's not just that opinions are negative, but they're often just coming from the computers of angry, middle-aged men who seem to use this message board as an outlet for their frustrations, even if the opinions being shouted 24/7 are based on nothing but their own worst fears.

    Take the Sako story, for example, as it stands he's a Wolves player.

    Yet just in 10 minutes quick browsing this morning, because of a story which has featured not in the Guardian, or the Telegraph, or on Sky Sports, or on the BBC, but in Shoot Magazine of all places, we've got the Moxey & Morgan Out brigade out in full force. The club have handled the situation impeccably throughout the previous two and a half seasons; the fact he's still our player tells us all we need to know in that sense.

    We won't know what happens until it happens, so can we not put the pitchforks down for a minute or two?

    And what if we do have a disappointing window, Sako does go? Such an outcome may happen, it may not, but ultimately who cares? Go outside, enjoy life, don't let it ruin your week.

    I appreciate past actions of the board have generated skepticism amongst fans, myself included, but things go too far when rumours appearing in newspapers (which Molineux Mix users themselves frequently demonstrate are often fabricated out of nothing more than a forum or a Twitter rumour) start to be treated as gospel, and the club branded a shambles without any evidence of such.

    It's pretty embarrassing, really, and takes away what makes this message board such a fantastic place to visit. The funny stories, the transfer rumours, the debates about players and managers, they're all fantastic. But I've started asking myself if it's worth coming for all of these features, if you've got to wade through page after page of needless rumours followed by comments such as:

    Increasingly, I'm not sure it is.
     
  10. Professional

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    Understand what you mean Penk, but let's just see actually what happens at the end of it eh?
     
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    the company credit card limit does not stretch to more signings so we have to unload some of the players still at the club like doyle and Johnson to move forward.
     
  12. Golden_Wolf

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    Wow can't believe someone's actually posted that on here molinew :eek:
     
  13. WalsallWolf

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    It is the nature of a football fan, although the Morgan is the devil all talk dill dally doll brigade it clearly does no extra favours too.
     
  14. wallace

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    you've answered your own question mate.
     
  15. JOSWolf

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    The negativity comes from a lot of us have seen it all before.
    I saw a similar statement from Jackett before the deadline closed in the summer and we ended up with nothing.
     
  16. wolvesjoe

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    But that is the relevant point.

    The majority of Wolves fans can see that Morgan is most definitely not an ambitious owner of the club. His record over a longer period now shows that he is simply not willing to invest anything significant out of his own fortune, and that decision to a large extent shapes Wolves' fate.

    So most, including myself, are pre-disposed to expect poor decisions that impact very negatively on the club. And this has been going on since the final season of McCArthy's period.

    In a way, I think many, myself included again, are constantly weighing up how much to invest in supporting the team, when the owner is unwilling to adopt an ambitious strategy.

    Last season, this ongoing dialogue was put to one side as Wolves dominated in a league they were too big for under a highly competent manager. Inevitably this season normal expectations have resumed and Morgan's record has been again shown up as mediocre as best. He still has a few days to pull it out of the fire, but it doesnt look too good at present.

    Hence the negativity, imo.
     
  17. Sammy Chungs Tracksuit

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    Fans of most clubs are speculating exactly what will happen by deadline day. If we were not interested we wouldnt be spending ridiculous amounts of our time on this site. Its just part of being a fan.

    Wolves fans are not unique in expecting the worst but hoping for the best or in using their own views and experiences to predict what will actually happen. Then when the deadline closes we think to ourselves, I called that right or I didnt expect that to happen. Again its just part of being a fan

    There is a lot of negativity surrounding Wolves because.
    (a) Wolves fans by nature and experience tend to be a cynical bunch as do West Midlanders.
    (b) The summer window was a massive let down after such a positive season.
    (c) A lot of fans have very little trust in the Wolves boardroom generally.

    As far as I'm concerned we have already done more than I expected by signing Afobe. If we hold onto Sako we will have done well IMO and I think we can look forward with some optimism and hope for the rest of the season. I fully expect Sako to leave though and if so it is up in the air if we can find an adequate replacement.
     
  18. Sheriff Woody

    Sheriff Woody Just doesn't shut up

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    Because they're $$$$$

    A combination of the two probably.

    I think this moaning culture has been exacerbated by the onset of social media. Now any Tom, Dick or Harry can make up a rumour, claim to be in the know and a bizarre amount of people will treat it as gospel and end up disappointed when it turns out to be a work of fiction.

    I find it a shame, there's some good knowledgeable people on here who can provide a much better insight into the goings at the club, performances etc to our ex-pat fans than the written press. At certain times of the year though (around transfer deadlines, after any defeat....... and all summer) it's nigh on impossible to have a decent discussion about our club without somebody with some sort of agenda wading in and polluting every single thread with the same tired old opinion or conspiracy theory.
     
  19. ProudWolf

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    Well said. I fully agree. Criticism is fine if you can give reasoned debate but certain posters (they know who they are, unless they're so miserable they don't realise how boring and negative they are) make it a real effort to read this board at times. The same negative posts over and over again and most of the time it is just their guesswork of what is going on behind the scenes and nothing concrete to base constant criticism on!
     
  20. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    If you look at the types of comments some posters make, it becomes pretty clear that some favour commenting about the board, politics and running of the club yet rarely comment on the football or give comments regarding the game.

    I am not saying that these people don't actually go to games (though I do sometimes suspect this), so comment on what they can gleam from press, social media and press whether the information is unfounded or not.

    It's strange that the club gets a battering for ineptitude for failing to sign Lingard, when there has never been any concrete evidence or official statements from Wolves, United or the press that they tried to do this deal.

    Afobe everyone seemed pleased to have signed for 2m. Now on another thread, I have seen him referred to as Arsenals 8th choice striker and this used as proof of the clubs lack of ambition.

    Some like to post negatively, and use any opportunity, not matter how tenuous to back up long held agendas.

    I get accused of being very pro club, which by en large I admit am, and I do get frustrated the overly negative posters. That said, if this window closes with only one signing in place, even I have to deem it a pretty poor effort.

    The lack of official comments regarding transfers can, if we don't sign anyone, be portrayed that they never tried to, which looks worse.
     
  21. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    Can't disagree with that.
     
  22. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    This.

    I'm sure all Wolves supporters want the best for the club but after so many years of negativity and being run so poorly there is little if any trust or belief anymore for some of us.

    Whilst the window remains open there is of course always hope of more additions but already this window is looking as if it will end as so many others have whereby the required signings just don't arrive.

    The club really had a chance to push on this season and before the last window closed looked a squad with a few additions could achieve success. For whatever reason(s) and yet again the club were found wanting and lacking.

    After a poor run of form the team still find themselves within touching distance of success but again seem to be dragging their heels.

    I always remain hopeful of something positive and good taking place but fear the Afobe signing is it this window.
     
  23. There sure are a lot of people on here that like to assume what the majority of Wolves fans think! As far as I'm aware, we're not all from the same mother ...

    There is a lot hyperbole on this forum, more so with the transfer window closing, but that's just the way it is. It's a forum! And as such some of us will find common ground on certain topics, and as how any forum works, others will disagree. Some people will react in a more extreme manner than some, others just have a habit of shouting louder; the list for different approaches is a long one and that's just how it should be!

    Me? I'm simply happy to sit and watch what unfolds. What is true though, is it's certainly fun being a Wolves fan and nothing is straightforward!
     
  24. wallace

    wallace Just doesn't shut up

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    jacketts comments after a recently televised match, which was a brilliant win for us, fired him up to say we now needed to improve our squad with some quality additions and this would determine our chances in the remainder of the season. naturally we assumed this would be acted on and the prospect of these signings lifted our expectations to a higher level. now the wind seems to have gone out of the balloon and were back to the moxeyism stage and the we tried but its difficult at this time of year etc etc. we should be used to this as that has been the constant theme since we didn't build after surviving the Blackburn game when we held on to premiership status before crashing through the leagues.
    unfortunate comments in an interview just after a brilliant win fired us all up along with KJ to expect but the reality of sound house keeping is dictating.
     
  25. BrummieNick

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    Some people are just negative miserable $$$$$$$s. Such is life.
     
  26. HowfenWolf

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    Some people just tell lies.....
     
  27. Space Wolf

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    I think sometimes it's frustration rather than outright negativity. When it comes to transfer windows Wolves are a pretty dull club. Even in the Premier League there's a reason Sky didn't bother having anyone at Compton/Molineux etc on deadline day.

    It's dull but it's best to sign the right player rather than any player. Eggert Jonsson anyone?
     
  28. waggys left foot

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    Why do they do it?Because some people have a negative outlook ,others are more naturally positive -it makes the world go round but its easy for the extremes to get thoroughly wound up by each other.

    Fortunately on here there are so many posters that they tend to even themselves out.Other forums are not so lucky.
     
  29. JOSWolf

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    Yep. Fully agree.
    I have to laugh really at some posters on here who criticise posters who are concerned about our transfer dealings as pathetic and moaners etc. You know who you are!
    We are approaching the deadline and this is the main topic on most threads and posters will repeat themselves on this matter and have their concerns and frustrations.
    We are a couple of players away from having a very good chance of top six this season.
    I think a lot of fans are very frustrated at our lack of activity in the market in what is an average league this season.
    A top six place is there for the taking if we push the boat out now.
     
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    HowfenWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    We're constantly being reminded that we're a big club, we can emulate Stoke & we're going to follow the albion model - but then struggle to get people to sign for us - is that the fans fault????
    What our spinmeister needs to do, is stop with all the hard luck stories, do some proper research on player availability, & just go out and get at least one of our first choice targets. Stop 'talking the talk' & go & 'walk the walk'. Don't offer derisory amounts to clubs who then leak the offer to the press & attract the vultures.
    On the whole our fans have been brilliant & have demonstrated considerable patience as KJ tries to build a team - with a bit of intent from the board we could have enough momentum in a very poor league to get promotion. Speculate to accumulate.
     
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    You seem to know a lot about exactly what goes on behind the scenes? Can you fill us all in on who our first choice targets have been and how much we've been offering?

    KJ has said before he is happy about adding to the team only at the right time. He will consistently drip feed a new player in every few months. It's how he works. He's pretty specific on the type of player and character he wants, people can throw names about left, right and centre but it's pointless, KJ knows what he wants and the board are willing to back him. We've just paid £2m for a young striker who's done nothing above League One yet. Is that not backing the manager and believing in him?
    It's always the boards fault, yes they have made errors in the past but we're on a massive upward curve since the re-structuring and have been improving ever since KJ came through the door. Let's carry on how we are and let Jackett add when he wants too. I'd love another attacking midfielder to sign soon but if KJ & KT can't find what they want they won't sign somebody for the sake of it. This is a positive thing, not negative!!
     
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    This
     
  33. HowfenWolf

    HowfenWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    ProudWolf, I know as much as other people on this board.
    I do not play football games or read the guess & Stir or the rumours page (If I did, I'd have learned that the americans & russians are living with aliens on a martian base!!!) Nor do I participate in $$$$ter or profess to be ITK.
    Every point dropped in this league will count at the end of the season - in a p*** poor league, we have a half decent chance of going up.
    Everyone (The world & his dog know that we lack creativity in midfield - hence our paltry goals return when compared to our rivals) We struggle to open teams up despite our considerable possession of the ball.
    Afobe, decent signing that he may well turn out to be, was actually probably our 4th or 5th choice. (I hope that the lad really does come good & make people eat their words. Incidentally for the record, I hoped that the club would sign Afobe, as i rate the lad.
    All people are concerned about, is that despite having over 12 mths to select players, we appear either to have targetted the wrong players (i.e. they do not want to play in the championship or they don't fit our wage structure) or we offer derisory amounts & watch them go to our rivals.
    Hopefully we will have Sako till the end of the season - if not, we are going to look mightily stupid if we let a player go with no obvious replacement lined up.
    Incidentally if the club decided that we wouldn't sign any more players this window, I'm sure the fans would've been happy to see the bomb squad players gone (payoffs or incentives to leave).
     
  34. jrpb-3

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    human nature is to form an opinion then view the world from that point of view and interpret the fact to fit you view of it. I guess with some of the things that have happened in the past many have a glass half empty view on all things wolves. Though it seems on here some poster do seem to take it to extreme levels to find negativity for what seems like the sake of it even if they do occasionally turn out to be right
     
  35. Big Nosed Wolf

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    It's mainly about perceptions on negativity. Often if opinions are expressed based on some sort of 'evidence', like where the club has mainly been stuck for twenty odd years when it has been much higher in the past and the 'size' of it is further 'evidence' that it should be again, then this is a 'negative' to begin with. All sensible opinions will therefore contain 'negative' bits.

    So where to look? Often the Elephant in the room is ignored.

    Regarding all sorts of media reporting I rarely take any notice of any of it other than to perhaps skip over something which might catch the eye. The sensationalist 'drama' is what sells the stuff and I find 99% of it tedious in the extreme. Or 'non-stories' like the example quotes in the OP are there for the sake of it. It doesn't really tell anyone anything.

    On negativity and definitions the OP might be considered 'negative' and 'moaning' for example. Not suggesting it's that bad just making the point.

    All posts 'attacking' the 'moaners' are of course themselves 'moaning' posts and could be classed 'negative'.
     
  36. JOSWolf

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    Good post mate.
     
  37. Big Nosed Wolf

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    A very positive post if I may say so:D
     
  38. JOSWolf

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    Why thank you kind sir! :D
     
  39. Edgmond Wolf

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    This in Spades :D
     
  40. Rhoswolf

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    So how do you currently view our performance in the transfer window, your posts would suggest somewhat negatively and yet????
     

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