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My letter to Mr Cross of the Daily Mirror

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by bully for me, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. bully for me

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    He was one of the main culprits in slagging us off after our 'weakened' side against United. I've written to him before to complain about his slagging off of Ebanks-Blake for not attending an awards dinner. I couldn't resist doing so again this time. I know there's a 'name and shame thread' but wanted to dedicate this solely to Mr Cross himself. Here is the article he wrote: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/john-cross/Mick-McCarthy-has-short-changed-Wolves-fans-and-football-with-his-weakened-team-article259561.html

    And here is my email. Sorry it's so long.

    Mick McCarthy has short-changed Wolves fans and football with his weakened team

    Mr Cross,

    This was the headline attached to your article regarding Wolves' weakened team in the defeat at Manchester United dated 17 November 2009. Whether you decided the headline or not, it was very reflective of the sentiments in the piece itself.

    I appreciate that this is your opinion which, as a journalist, you are paid to provide. However, I would like a retraction. Ideally I would like this retraction in one of your articles but, at the very least, I would like it in a reply to this very email. Do you still believe that Wolves fans feel 'short-changed' by McCarthy? He is our manager, he does what is best for us and nothing else is considered. I can assure you that not one single fan would swap a solid season in which we have stayed up for a win at Old Trafford that night. We've not been short-changed, quite the opposite.

    In the article you compared McCarthy's actions to 'diving, cheating and greed' as one of the few things in football you 'hate'. Delve a little deeper, take a trip to Molineux, talk to the locals, talk to McCarthy and talk to Steve Morgan....you'll find out that Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club now stand for everything that is good about the game (none of the aforementioned traits). We might not be world beaters but we now have a side and a club that stands for integrity, youth, exuberance, grit and passion, all accompanied by a sense of humour. The latter is particularly important - your reference to the chant 'we want our money back' as substance for your opinion was, quite frankly, ridiculous. Black Country humour is clearly something you are not familiar with. Nobody wants their money back. We've already got our club back and that is a far greater prize. Mick McCarthy is the man who gave it back to us, whether you like it or not.

    Yours,
     
  2. Ginger Chimp

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    Although, to be fair, there were lots of comments about wanting money back the following day ....
     
  3. Big Saft Kid

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    Excellent letter -- very well expressed, reasonable in its tone, and very much to the point. I shall be very interested to hear of the response you get, but frankly I'm not holding my breath.
     
  4. bully for me

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    I know there were calls for money back the following day but personally I think such requests were equally short-sighted as Mr Cross' sentiments. No, I wasn't there so maybe I don't have a leg to stand on but I'd like to think I'd have felt exactly the same if I were there. I did have my doubts over McCarthy's decision at the time but posted a thread on here within days apologising for such doubts. Mick does what's best for us. He made 100s of decision in his first three seasons that were based on doing what's best for us. Those decisions got us up. His decisions since have kept us up. How can we not trust him implicitly?
     
  5. Hereford Wolf

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    I would have also mentioned how many of that 'weakened' team played in the win at West Ham.
     
  6. Ginger Chimp

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    :D I've just posted something similar on the Fulham Under Strength thread.

    I wasn't nicking your lines, honestly.
     
  7. EasternWolf

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    Nice letter, $$$$ all journalists.
     
  8. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Excellent post and email, you ought to be a journo !!
     
  9. Jack

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    I was one of those who attended and was furious the next day. I still didn't like what he did and still don't believe it helped us gain that much advantage over Burnley as I thought they looked fitter and sharper - we just had more quality in Doyle and Milijas (for a change).

    To back this up, our best spell has come when we've been able to keep the same team (injury permitting) as the players have mastered the system and know about each others strengths and weaknesses.
     
  10. glasgowwolf

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    That has to be a wind up right.... They had the trainer on 3 times in the first half, there players were knackered and dropping like flies. Owen Coyle said he wished he could have done it but he did not have the squad to do it. They were $$$$ed because of the games they played.
     
  11. Toon Wolf

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    There haven't been too many subsequent occasions when we've had 2 tough away games in 4 days followed by a 'must win' home game...
     
  12. Jack

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    That's your opinion and we've had this out before Glasgow. Burnley dominated the game for long spells and arguably finished the stronger, which leads me to think they were just as fit and sharp as we were.

    If anything, our general play was scrappy and we looked rusty - we just had the luxury of having strikers who were over and above anything they had.

    Play your strongest team week in, week out - it breeds confidence and allows you to find your strengths and play to them. One of the main reasons we've done so well in the last ten games.

    As for injuries, they can happen anytime and for a multitude of reasons. It could be down to the amount of games they played, it may just have been they didn't warm up right or it could just be they overstretched in a certain challenge.
     
  13. Dewsburywolf

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    West Ham then Villa????????????
     
  14. Jack

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    West Ham away was our third game in ten days and arguably our best performance of the season.
     
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    Nice post, nice email. Sorry to hear that you read the Daily Mirror:eek: I did have the advantage of before this thread of not knowing who the hell Ben Cross was.
    I think there is a case that this was initiated by some of the Wolves fans on the night feeling aggreived at travelling all that way and not seeing the team they expected. This mood was picked up very quickly by the media and blown out of all proportion. Most who know anything about football actually supported McCarthy's right to do what he did but it is the little people like the ones mentioned on the other thread who see the story and are basically on a life's wind up.
    The Football authorities are also to blame for the lack of clarity in the rules and also the farcical suspended fining of the Club. It was supposed to be a warning to other clubs they said and yet nothing has happened to others since then.
    McCarthy has answered all of those cringy people in the best way..........we have stayed up.
     
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    Good man that bloke has had it in for us all season but I bet he won't respond to it but that will show him for the idiot that he is.
     
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    I was there to, I'm thrilled for MM to have proved the doubters wrong (self included), but that decision was and still is completely wrong, not in the spirit of the team, and could have been averted with the same result against Burnley by dropping Doyle alone.
     
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    Has anything been said about Fulham making 9 changes yesterday?
    Or does that not matter because they both have nothing to play for really.
     
  19. Ginger Chimp

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    "London based Media darlings."

    I think you forgot that comment.
     
  20. Jonzy54

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    I e.mailed him at the time of the SEB and Manure incidents and in fairness he came back,less volatile each time.I e.mailed him again yesterday and he he said he was surprised at how damning I had been and questioned why I chose to do it now(I replied with err...beacause we have stopped up today and felt that it was appropriate bearing in mind his pieces about us along with his colleague who painted MM to be worse than Hitler after Old Trafford).That said,he congratulated us on stopping up which he said is far more important than any rantings by him.
    He said he had just run the London Marathon and further stated that he ran the New York Marathon with Geoff Thomas in aid of his foundation.
    I think there is a modicum of decency beneath the Mirror veneer.
     
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  21. Toon Wolf

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    3 games in 10 days is easier than 3 games in 8 days. Jeez, it ain't brain science...
     
  22. Jack

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    Clutching at straws...

    Using your philosophy of playing too many games you could argue that the cumulative effect of playing another 15 games before West Ham cancels out the two days.

    I don't want to take this thread off topic, so let's just agree to disagree.
     
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  23. thisisgil

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    Weren't you the one who wanted to take the club to trading standards?
     
  24. Jack

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    Nope. I was very angry at the time and said openly on here I wanted my money back, which on reflection was wrong.

    Still don't agree with what he did, but that's just the competitor in me wanting to win every game.
     
  25. Toon Wolf

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    :p Got no problem with that...
     
  26. bully for me

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    Mr Cross has replied....fair play to him:

    Dear Tom.
    I disagreed with Mick McCarthy fielding a weakened team at Manchester United.
    I still don't think the principle is right.
    But Mick McCarthy has been proved right in his decision for Wolves.
    However, putting up the white flag, conceding defeat in a game isn't the right way forward for the league as a whole, in my opinion. That's why I'm not going to offer a retraction. You can't retract something you still believe in. But I will happily admit that Mick McCarthy got it right for Wolves this season.
    Did you read my Wolves match reports recently? At Arsenal I gave Mancienne man of the match, said Karl Henry shouldn't have been sent off and so please don't go down the road of 'the media hates us.' I've also done a column raving about Kevin Doyle. Everyone thinks that the media hates their team. Your closing statement is telling: 'like it or not.' Tom, you make it sound personal. Wolves have thoroughly deserved to stay up so do you really think I want them relegated? Don't be so daft.
    I've been to Molineux, thanks very much. I used to live with someone from the Black Country so I know perfectly well Black Country humour, thanks very much.
    Stick to what's relevant, mate. Wolves stayed up and I'll happily eat some humble pie over the Old Trafford thing. But if West Brom do the same next season, then I'll have a pop at them. It's not about Wolves or anything personal. I believe in a fair league over 38 games with everyone trying their best. How would you feel if you went into a final game needing a point and Wigan, for example, needed a point and played an under-strength Liverpool because they're in the Europa League final. Would you feel that were fair on Wolves if you went down and Wigan stayed up in those circumstances? It's the same principle.
    But once again, well done on staying up.
    Now please don't waste more negative energy on me.
    All the best for next season.
    John.

    I still had a bit more to say in response:

    Mr Cross,

    Thanks for your reply - I appreciate it. I do, however, think you have taken my email to be a complaint about a a 'personal' attack when in fact it was nothing of the sort.
    I never intimated that you wanted Wolves to go down. I never intimated that you had a personal vendetta against Wolves. I merely took umbrance at a couple of things:

    - Your claim that McCarthy has short-changed Wolves
    - Your claim that McCarthy's actions were somehow comparable to diving, cheating and greed.

    No suggestion that you were personally against Wolves here. Merely a difference in opinion.

    A few more things....I expended no 'negative energy' on my email. I find expressing a belief and an opinion a positive experience. As I do the notion of debating a point.

    Calling me - not my point, but me - 'daft' turned my very unpersonal email into a personal one. The strongest word I used in my correspondence was 'ridiculous'. That referred to a very specific aspect of your article, nothing more.

    Your calling me up on my use of 'like it or not' was unfair, in my view. I was not at any point suggesting that you didn't like it that Wolves had stayed up per se. Only that you might not like that it had come by virtue of McCarthy's actions over the season - one of which was his team selection at Old Trafford.

    I hope to read an article emphasising your thoughts on this matter with regard to Fulham. They acted as they did because they have other priorities. Theirs is the Europa League semi-final. Ours was Burnley.

    Thanks again for your time and congratulations on the marathon.

    Tom
     
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    Fair play to him for responding but nice reply too.
     
  28. dr cool

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    cross sounds a bit simple to me.

    drc
     
  29. Ginger Chimp

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    Nice come back ... I'll be surprised if he responds to that one, though.
     
  30. Oyvay

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    All journalists? Phil Morgan was good.
     
  31. kennyB

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    Wonder why people read the Daily Mirror in the first place!? Now the Star.....!!!!
     
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    Mentioning Phil Morgan reminds me of when I was at Wolverhampton Grammar School.We were studying English Lit in the first year and we were all asked to stand up and tell everyone else our favourite authors.I didn't read book at the time so I just said 'Phil Morgan'-everyone laughed-can't understand why.:D
     
  33. EasternWolf

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    Ok $$$$ all journalists except Phil Morgan
     
  34. Big Saft Kid

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    Good old Phil! Every home match report in the Pink seemed to start the same: "Wolves won the toss and elected to defend the Hotel end..."
     
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    Match Stats

    Possession
    Wolves 50%---------------------Burnley 50%
    Attempts on Target
    Wolves 12-----------------------Burnley 6
    Attempts off target
    Wolves 0------------------------Burnley 4
    Corners
    Wolves 5------------------------Burnley 5

    Yeps they surely dominated. As for injuries it has been proven many many times that the more tired a body is the more likely to sustain an injury....
    I watched the Burnley game, we had more quality than them, we were fitter and fresher than them, we got 3 points, we have stayed up...

    Mick V man u = VINDICATED
     
  36. Jack

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    The stats don't take into account the two penalties they could have had, eagles' whipped deliveries that somehow stayed out etc etc. You can dress it how you want glasgow and you are entitled to your opion.

    The means has justified the end, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with how we got there and it doesn't mean we wouldn't have beaten burnley had we played our full team against man u.

    We will never know, but what I do know is that we've looked a much better side now that we have a settled line-up (injuries aside) who know their jobs and know how each other plays.

    It will be interesting to see what happens next year if a similar situation arises
     
  37. QB Wolf

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    The result against Burnley was irrelevant, in principle what Mick did was wrong. It things had worked out differently and we'd been relegated by a point to Hull, I doubt we'd be chuffed with Fulham and the team they played up there.

    How ever you dress it up, not playing your strongest team is just not right.

    Anyway he won't do it again!!
     
  38. reanswolf

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    There are no principles to apply when it comes to right or wrong, or fairness, in this heavily sloped greed league.

    Its like regurgitating the same old views (mine included), but MM felt his team after Spurs were shattered. So if he had played them v Man Utd and very very likely done as badly as the team he actually put out (8 of whom beat WHU away of course!), then come back and lost 1-0 to Burnley, he would have been vilified by the same people who tend to see things in simple black and white terms.
     
  39. mikic

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    This - Man Utd should never have happened Glasgow, it could have ruined our season - end of
     
  40. welshwolf

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    i was at the Burnley game and agree with Glasgow,Burnley looked more jaded than Wolves particulaly towards the end. maybe the reduced squad next year will make it simpler but I believe if a player is in the squad the manager should be entitled to play whatever team he wishes.it's a squad game
     

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