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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    First of all this is very much second hand information, those that have pressed this information on are not liars or attention seekers. I myself doubt the validity and accuracy of what I'm about to divulge.

    However this is what I have heard from two different sources, one ever works in construction, the other for the council.

    This week plans have expanded been submitted and agreed for a third tier on the north bank, a total rebuild of both wing stands comprising two tiers and a huge expansion of a single tiered south bank. Both contacts have said the redevelopment will take capacity to between 50 and 60 thousand.

    Seems a little far fetched to me and too adventurous to increase capacity by 100%, but this is what I've heard. Wondering if anyone else has heard any rumours?
     
  2. SingYourHeartsOut

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    Of all the possible developments I could imagine a 3rd tier for the NB seems the least likely.
     
  3. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Agreed, just repeating what I've heard.
     
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    The only thing I would do right now is patchwork Molineux. I love patchwork stadium.

    Leave everything as it is but turn the 4,700 south Bank into 15,000 stand and boom. You’ve got the most unique stadium in English football.
     
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  5. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    I do think the whole stadium would benefit from an overhaul, including the Billy Wright. The kinked stand and shallow lower tier don't offer good views. Let's build a proper stadium with steep stands and a single tiered terrace behind the goal.

    One of the lads said they're toying with the idea of levelling the north Bank and starting again! Would be great to have a single tier north Bank again.
     
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    I think we should do the stadium redevelopment ASAP. For those saying we should establish ourselves in the Premier League I don't think any team outside the very few top teams have yet done so. Nearly every team in the Premier League is one bad season away from going down.
     
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    Do the stadium properly from the ground up. Improve the access to the concourse / facilities.

    It's extremely cramped in most of the stands, particularly the South Bank. Let's rebuild it and do it right.

    You can still have a stadium with character, with no need to keep bad design decisions from 20 years ago.
     
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    If plans were submitted they should be on the website as part of an application, even as outline.

    They can't "agree" until a planning committee or call-in and I would assume there would be a lengthy consultation period and involve a lot more looking at roads, transport links, parking, safety, evacuation routes, affects on the householders etc.
     
  10. A3wolf

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    If it's true about a 3rd tier for the North Bank I imagine it is only largely the reason of trying to fix that stand to connect up with the height and marry up aethetics etc of the other 3 'new' ones.

    Have to say though I really do not want to be in a ground with a load of empty seats so would like any redevelopment to be timed when we know it will be largely filled even when the results aren't so good. i.e. like Newcastle seem to manage and Sunderland can't.

    As the stadium currently stands, the curved side stands aren't ideal for atmosphere and views from the lower tiers but, sitting in the NB lower, looking out it really is actually a beautiful sight when full and even more so under the lights and really gives a sense of occasion (and I will feel a real sadness at demolising any of those stands!). Whatever we end up doing I would like the design to maintain that feeling of ' beauty and sense of occasion' rather than creating for the pure functional priorities that can give, for example, a soulless bowl. Personally I would try increase capacity piecemeal and, like Liverpool have done with their new stand, by not impacting current capacity while building.

    Many fans regard Molineux as a second home and are really the best people to judge what design of stadium will make current fans stay and new fans come to Wolves and, if I was Fosun, I would involve season ticket holders through detailed customer surveys. Firstly, I would get feedback on all aspects of design and facilities they want before coming up with a number of outline proposals and designs which again I would then put back out to season ticket holders for feedback before taking any further steps.
     
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    I liked the original idea of knocking down Steve Bull stand and making the South Bank bigger.Anything else is not really necessary.Capacity be 40,000.
    The third tier on North Bank i cannot believe.
     
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    Agreed.
    Seems to me, not being an engineer, that we need to build the new Steve Bull in two parts. First the rear section of concourses, stairs, restaurants/bars etc and the upper tier seats, and then later a front lower section. Meanwhile, have temp seating in the front lower section space in the first year of construction.
    What did Liverpool do when rebuilding their main stand to maintain capacity?

    KTF UTW
     
  13. BrierleyHillWolves

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    I would imagine when we do the stadium then fosun will get it built in China and sent over in shipping containers :)
     
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    I heard this a couple of weeks ago minus the bit about the North Bank. Could have some legs. Fosun aren’t here to mess about.
     
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    It is true that they are speaking to architects and that ‘all options are being considered’. I very much doubt they have got final,plans let alone submitted them yet. Speaking personally i would demolish the lot over time and build a new stadium on the same site. The north bank is spacious but has big design flaws like the acoustics (the sound just goes up into the sky and the atmosphere dies) and the rain . The other three stands are cramped and provide limited revenue. I believe fosun definitely want a single tier stand in at least one part of the ground. If we cant knock down asda (and i still think they could with the right offer) then why nit put the car park under the pitch and use a bigger footprint? We shall see but if we can sell 27000tickets to play bolton i reckon we could sell 40,000 to play man united especially if we had a realistic chance of winning
     
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    I agree about fosun. In china they build big structures quickly while we plan them for decades. They built a railway into russia that allows freight to travel from china’s east coast to europe in a less than a week. We may complete HS2 in ten years time..... they wont mess about with the stadium
     
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    The problem with the North Bank is the roof. It is not beyond the realms of possibility for that to be removed and replaced with something that is fit for purpose.
    It was said that the Etihad couldnt be expanded because of the tension ring holding the whole stadium roof up, but with a bit of clever engineering they managed it.
     
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    Not happy with any suggestions regarding bulldozing the Steve bull. I equate my prime seat to a council garage - somebody has to die before you get one.
     
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    Spot on about the new North Bank. What I’d give just to have the old one back!
     
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    There's nothing wrong with the North Bank. It’s one hell of a structure and it’s just ****** about the acoustics, complete and utter ******. As soon as the Steve Bull is knocked down and the stadium continued around towards the South Bank as per the original design, then perhaps others will realise just how good the North Bank is.
     
  21. Tring Wolf

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    Sounds absolutely amazing.

    I just don't ever see us getting 50,000-60,000 consistently unless we're able to offer tickets for a tenner. Would love to be proven wrong as that crowd in that design would be absolutely incredible.
     
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    They need to re-do the stadium because they want to attract bigger numbers and need the space to do it, the facilities in them are currently appalling as well compared to other teams stadiums and Fosun want to be the best at everything.

    Laurie is taking in what fans would like from the stadium which is great because it means they are trying to create the best stadium for the fans, however or whenever they achieve it, I’m looking forward it
     
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    Agreed. I think it’s because it’s standalone at the moment

    I was in there on wed back rows of lower tier and getting wet. But once it’s linked to a similar structure they would massively improve and noise /acoustics too
     
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    Why on earth would we knock down the North Bank ? It’s only just been built. It may not be perfect, but it’s good enough.

    Sort the Steve Bull, it’s well past it’s use by date. Then South Bank, then Billy Wright.
     
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    On a different subject , wouldnt it be nice if the council tidied up the subway a bit and the steps going up to the university . the handrails are almost comptletley gray now with all the gold paint completely flaked off.

    Me personally I would close the subway off and do a walk way over the dual carriageway with a big golden archway as you come over to the south bank.
     
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    Couldn't agree more UF.
    The suggestion re a third tier on the North Bank really doesn't make sense. Surely it's the Steve Bull and South Bank that need to be raised, to meet the height of the NB and then join them all up.
    The horseshoe created would look good and leaving the BW as it is, wouldn't be a problem to me.
    Just hope it's done soon.
     
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    If plans have been submitted to the council they will be viewable online

    I’ll have. A look later today when I get chance.
     
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    80s retro is all the thing right now.

    Knock down the Billy Wright, move the pitch back over with the touch line touching Waterloo Road, close the North Bank and just build a massive all standing South Bank. Top it off with replacing the seats in the Steve Bull with pink ones (although that might kick off the rainbow corner flag debate again....)
     
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    So basically it'll look like the Etihad Stadium but with a single-tiered stand at one end?
     
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    50/60k?! I hope not. Nothing worse than playing in a half empty stadium. We wouldn't fill a 40k stadium regularly unless we were top 6 in the PL.
     
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    That would be an extremely high north bank

    Rest of it sounds great

    Need to factor in 'bowl effect' for lower crowds surely. We may get 50k v Man U but surely wouldn't get it as an average????
     
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    It depends howmuch they charge for tickets though as someone else has mentioned. Dortmund charge a minimal amount for matches and have huge crowds, something that isn't historic with the club. If Wolves were to charge £10-15 a ticket and were doing well in the Premiership I think they could attract huge crowds outside of Wolverhampton.
     
  33. Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)

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    The North Bank is a truly awful stand, if they are going to do it properly then in-spite of it's newness then that should be rebuilt as well.

    As for the South Bank, yes it is cramped a bit underneath, but it's a real behind the goal stand. It's so close to the town that it doesn't need lots of facilities. Extend it backwards and to the side and take it to 8-9,000, 10k at a push, but please keep the roof low and overhanging to the front of the stand.

    If anything a horse-shoe of the Billy Wright, The North Bank and the Steve Bull with an extended (not re-built) South Bank would be my preference with Away fans located as close to the South Bank as possible.
     
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    I also presume this will include much better hospitality areas. Get this right and the club could double or triple its matchday income

    We (two of us from London) were in no rush to leave the ground yesterday and eventually went in search of food / boozer after taking in club shop, stroll round the ground

    Would have loved to have stayed in a warm bar AT the ground, watched the late matches on TV and then sat down for a meal, so my money was going to the club
     
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    Not in the same council but in my location there are various pre-application processes that can take place and would be confidential until an official application is made and put online.
     
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    By this I also mean add an affordable hotel and I'd stay there!
     
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    Not sure they could get a third tier on the NB, would be too steep surely.

    Personally I’d just be delighted to see the Steve Bull linked to the NB as was planned. Really bugs me how lopsided the NB currently looks with half the corner built.

    45,000 tops is all we need in terms of capacity, we’d struggle to fill that most weeks too.
     
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    It should be pretty simple to know what to do.

    Rebuild the Billy Wright and Steve Bull in the same style as the north Bank, filling in the corners, then fill in the corners of the South Bank to the current height and extend the current stand backwards.

    Steve Bull and BW would give an additional 3000 each 1700 in the NE corner, 3400 in the NW, 1200 in both south corners with an additional 3000 extended backwards.

    Capacity roughly 46,500, fully enclosed ground, reduce tickets to £20 on sides, £15 corners/behind goals and job done.
     
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    The council are also the freeholder so will probably be consulted before the formal application is submitted. It's clear that the club are now moving on this, it's a shame if there isn't some sort of fan consultation.
     
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    We don't need a 60,000 capacity,not even a 50,000 one.It will only be filled with the prawn sandwich brigade.:( Steve bull stand done next year,perhaps something done with the temp stand,and an upgrade of the South bank and I will be happy.;)
     

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