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KJ makes confession

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Chuck Murray, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. Chuck Murray

    Chuck Murray Senior Member

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    They didn't practise penalties before the Fulham FA Cup replay:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wolves-should-practised-penalties---8457576

    I've been suitably impressed with KJ's approach since he was brought onboard summer before last, and I guess I'll give him credit for honesty with this admission ... but for a coach who seems to sweat all the key details, is anyone else as surprised as myself that this was overlooked?

    And for what it's worth, it seems like from his comments at the end of the piece, he's not picked up on the fact that penalties could come into play at the end of the second leg of the playoff semifinals ... :eek:

    I'm still on board with KJ, and pleased with the return to form of the team after the November swoon, but this did surprise me. Thoughts?
     
  2. Dewsburywolf

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    Do you really actually need to practice taking penalties? Surely it's a case of hitting the ball from the spot & hoping that the keeper either goes the wrong way or your shot is too hard for the keeper to save. To take it further how would taking them against Ikeme (our own keeper) give any insight into how an opposition keeper would react? That's without even taking into consideration how a player might react to an actual game-time situation


    Or am I perhaps overelaborating on things?
     
  3. WestChiltingtonwolf

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    I never understand the clamour to practice penalties. Any professional footballer should be able to have a half decent attempt at that distance, and anyone brave enought to be one of the top 5,6,7 couldjnt replicate the pressure. How many 1000's would they have already taken in their professional career including training?
     
  4. WellyWolf

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    I think he's $$$$ed off that he didn't match Fulham in the diamond straight away.
     
  5. JamesWolves

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    I dont think practicing penalties makes a difference tbh its a whole different situation when actually in a shoot-out

    England practice them all the time before major tournaments am i right ... look how that turns out
     
  6. Beastier

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    Lot of contrasting views on whether penalties should & shoudn't be practised.

    Personally I'm in the camp that feels you can't replicate the real life situation & the associated nerves (which plays a massive part in shoot outs) so there is limited value in practising shoot outs.

    I always remember the wisdom of my late grandad who used to say there is no excuse for a professional footballer to miss the target from a 12 yards dead ball (sorry to offend Matt Doherty if you're reading this).

    I can understand if a players wants to spend time himself practising taking a penalty in a particular way, but not much more than that really.
     
  7. Jonzy54

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    Ricketts was co-commentator on Tues and he said he and Edwards religiously undertook penalty sessions last season in case they may have been critical in the run in to the season.
     
  8. Jonzy54

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    The Germans practice them all the time.Never seems to do them much harm.Certain players take them during games anyway but as the West Ham game proved this week many of the lesser lights may eventually have to take them.
     
  9. Ginger Chimp

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    What you need to practice is your consistency in striking the ball time after time after time so that it goes where you want it to go (bottom corners, middle of the goal, etc) rather than trying to actually beat a goalkeeper.
     
  10. FLEET WOLF

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    I agree Dews. Players at this level should be able to take penalties and as you say, practice against out keepers isn't really going to help much. It is all in the head and the pressure of the occasion and nobody can really teach that.
     
  11. JW

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    Surely if you practice hitting the ball into the same corner 400000 times, you are going to be more accurate than 20 times.

    ALl to do with nerves though which cannot be practised. Nonetheless, if youve hit 400000 pens into the corner in training, confidence will be higher....
     
  12. Sketchead

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    Bit of a non-story really. Everyone knows how to kick the ball and nobody knows who will have the $$$$$$$$ to take one until the night.
     
  13. Beastier

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    Would also add that we did only miss one on Tuesday & that was due to a player trying something daft, though it seemed he'd actually done the hard part in committing the keeper before he struck the ball only to then blaze wide with a half empty net to aim at.

    Unfortunately Fulham scored all 6 of theirs
     
  14. OsloWolf

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    Wasn't that Aaron McCarey?
     
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    You practice them for real, in a competitive game., and there is little alternative that works. That's why you generally have a couple of options on the pitch for penalties awarded during a regular match. Cup is different, and I think it reasonable for some of the rest of the team to practice if you don't have at least 5 experienced penalty takers in the squad for the game. Clearly its much more important to focus on winning the game during normal time, so I doubt it would be allocated a big chunk of the training time unless you actively played for a draw and penalty shootout.
     
  16. Sketchead

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    No mate, saw a radio station that I follow (was it BBC WM?) on Twitter retweeting lots of fans saying they were enjoying Ricketts' commentary.
     
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    Ah, sorry about that. I was listening to Wolves Player. Maybe a different broadcast?
     
  18. Jonzy54

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    I have no idea what channel you had on but Ricketts was on WM .He didn't sound Irish :rolleyes:
     
  19. kennyB

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    What is more important in a penalty shoot out is the players you pick to take them and although I appreciate that there are exceptions strikers and mid-fielders should generally go before defenders. Doherty would have been at the back of the queue for me.
     
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    As a penalty taker, I don't seem the need to practice. It's a simple thing. Pick a stop, keep eyes on ball, forget about the keeper and concentrate on hitting the ball as sweetly as possible, bang and it's in.
     
  21. HowfenWolf

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    Teams should be prepared for penalties, regardless of cup or league. A penalty taker is a different breed to most players in that he has to have total concentration, be able to block out the noise of the crowd/other distractions, control the adrenalin (cool head) & a pre determined approach to how he will take the alloted penalty.
    A psychological advantage is often gained by the team edging in front early (hence the need for a preferred order for penalty takers). Whilst I acknowledge that it can sometimes be a bit of a lottery, a more professional approach often pays dividends - ze Germans are an example of organisation & professionalism throughout. Many players simply cannot take penalties - hence the need for recognised penalty takers just like special team players in the NFL.
    Perhaps it was a bit naive - but I can forgive him this lapse if he & the players learn from it.
     
  22. Jonzy54

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    Matt took a few when on loan at Bury and never missed.He has admitted that he changed his mind at the last second-it happens.
    Ray Stewart and Stuart Pearce were both full backs who had a fantastic success rate.
     
  23. Jonzy54

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    Yes in most cases but you will also get players who take them who very rarely shoot in a game so in my view it doesn't do any harm to practice .
     
  24. FLEET WOLF

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    As indeed did good old Thommo!
     
  25. Jonzy54

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    Except against the Owls:D
     
  26. Beastier

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    Have a look at the link below - it's a few years old now so I'm not sure what their more recent protocols are.

    It states pretty much from the horses mouth that they at least haven't always practised penalties.

    Seems to come down to whatever is the preferred approach of the current manager/coach.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/germany/7876048/Germany-v-Spain-we-dont-need-to-practice-penalties-says-coach-Joachim-Low.html
     
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    Prevails a good idea would be in preseason and it finishes a draw have a penalty shoutout to decide the winner
     
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    Of course they should practice penalties, its a skill of the game and increasingly crucial now cup ties are often settled that way. They are supposed to be professionals arent they? Well its part of their job to practice relevent skills. You wont find the " we dont need to practice" mentality in Germany thats for sure and last time I looked they were World Champions and we English were somewhat of an embarrassment- perhaps not surprising given some of the opinions on here.
     
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    I would have thought, as professionals, they should practise everything.
     
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    Surely a professional footballer can hit the target from 12 yards BECAUSE they should practice it even if they're not told to..
     
  33. I was wondering what became of the penalty taking defender. Pearce, Stewart, Neal, Bruce, Irwin, Unsworth, Palmer, Breitner. Can only think of Baines who takes them these days.
     
  34. kennyB

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    We should be practicing corner taking if our record is anything to go by!
     
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    To be fair most of our goals have come from crosses
     
  36. Pirate0

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    Did Beckham practise free kicks?


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  37. Chuck Murray

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    My thoughts as well. And based on KJ's comments, I suspect they will in the future. Can only imagine the scope of the MM meltdown if Wolves lost promotion in the playoffs due to poor pens. :eek:
     
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    I don't see the point in practising penalties. Tell the manager where you're going to stick it and if you then go and do that then you've done your job.
     
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    Aaron McCarey on Wolves player.
     
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    Early rounds of a cup we have next to no chance of winning being played at a vital time in the season... Time would be better spent doing other parts of the game like movement, positioning, passing, ball control, shooting etc... There's many more that would come before taking pens. (Abit like modifying a gaming computer with a rubbish graphics card and spending most of your resources on RAM, monitor and keyboard.)

    I don't blame KJ one bit for not practicing them, we got knocked out by pens... It is what it is, reviewing that game I would be looking at other defects of that game to improve on other than the pens.

    Obviously playoffs will be the last games of the season and so much at stake so spending time on pens would be a lot productive and I'm sure KJ would have a practice session or three on them.
     

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