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KJ frustrated at transfer near misses.

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  1. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Not a moan but glad he has come out with this.

    Clearly KJ wants to bolster/improve the squad and has been interested in making a few signings. Going by some of the names mentioned added to others he has been linked with over the season so far then he is certainly looking to improve as opposed to just having quantity.

    As to the reasons why none of these targets joined I have no idea but I do not believe it's all coincidence.
     
  2. Jonzy54

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    None our fault apparently :rolleyes:
     
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    Could hardly say anything else, could he (noticed the roll-eyes!).
     
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    Well being as it appears from those quotes that KJ is not blaming "the club" and it appeared to just be things out of our control - Morgan is definatly still doing a good job of manipulating, getting him to say the right things, whilst also giving the express and star yet another exclusive at a tidy commission too one can assume.

    Genius that man. So cunning eh.
     
  5. Jonzy54

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    I know mate
     
  6. Essex Wolf

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    Well it wouldn't be would it mate. I mean every single one of those deals falling through for whatever reason, possibly aka excuses, surely has to be the fault of every club Wolves were dealing with. That's just common sense and logic Jonzy surely?:D

    Think you're right mate but wouldn't it be nice to at least know or get to hear some real facts.

    You're catching on Walsall.;)

    But all joking apart don't you think it's a bit odd that KJ has looked at, wanted, been after quite so many players and so many have fallen through?
     
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    Nothing to do with Wolves? Pull the other one, KJ.
     
  8. Bumbamuffin

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    So unlucky are Wolves.
     
  9. Essex Wolf

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    There fixed it for you:D
     
  10. Mr Wolf

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    What do we actually know:

    Maguire chose the Premiership,
    Wood chose the Premiership,
    Delort chose 21k per week ("I also need to pay tribute to his agent Roger Henrotay, who, despite higher offers from Wolves and Brentford")
    Tonev failed a medical,
    Clayton could not agree fee/compensation/tribunal
    Lingard chose Derby,
    Williams chose a team above us who he's been on loan with,
    Drinkwater/Wallace?

    Anything else I've missed that is mostly fact?
     
  11. JOSWolf

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    Always excuses for our transfer market woes. I am guessing we will hear more of the same in the summer. A never ending cycle.
     
  12. Tring Wolf

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    Saved me from posting. Sometimes there really are reasons for deals not coming off that are understandable and beyond the club's control.

    The main criticism I have is that we perhaps haven't had enough quality alternatives lined up when those 'first-choice deals' haven't worked out.
     
  13. PREM.L.L

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    Good post.
     
  14. WarstonesWolf

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    I agree
     
  15. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Maguire chose the premiership - why hang on so long then
    Wood chose the premiership - why hang on so long then
    Delort chose higher wages - thank **** most of us took one look at the video and thought he was lightweight
    Clayton - wouldnt pay relative pennies for compensation - not gutted tho.
    Lingard - usurped by Derby. Did we drag our feet? possibly
    Williams - last minute panic loan, usurped by penniliess Ipswich.
    Drinkwater - who knows
    Wallace - who knows

    Basically we want quality and class on the cheap, and we $$$$ed around al summer after our top 2 targets neither of whom wanted to come here or whom we agreed a transfer fee with.

    Which ever way you look at it, its a $$$$-poor effort from Wolves over a season to fail so often. People say Moxey is the master negotiator, maybe we need to pay him more. If he was on piece-rate he would be on a minimum wage by now.
     
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    The question is why those players chose to do what they did ? The two players who chose the Premiership were only going to be bench warmers at best so the lure of playing in the Premier was a pipe dream and crap. Jez hasn't got a clue to the answer either as the line he trotted out was "for whatever reason"

    Money, or lack of.
     
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    You ask why wait? Dragging our feet & others have said why no alternatives well that comes down to the manager doesn't it, don't give me this Thelwell $$$$$$$$ either some of you he's development, the manager is in charge of his first team squad nobody else.

    I am honestly shocked the way some of you do actually believe Kenny is manipulated & seemingly lied to by Morgan about monies available. Like he sits in the office listening to Jez on the phone to another club but secretly Jez has already hung up & is just making stories up about bidding for players.

    I think Patterson was another one, somebody reliable on here said Pearce put a stop to it?
     
  18. mikic

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    The most accurate summary of our transfer targets and subsequent failures.

    The problem is we are going for players who are top drawer for our position, and are competing against teams higher up in the pecking order. When given the choice, most would not favour wolves over a top champ/prem side. Sad but true.

    Nothing to do with not being backed at all, although some fans would do anything to believe that's true.
     
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    We got Afobe at a bargain price and it was a cracking bit of business that is very very difficult to repeat.

    Could the problem be having achieved a superb piece of business like that, that Moxey & Morgan think the trick of paying below the actual value can be repeated endlessly if you are astute enough? The reality is that we seem to be shopping at Waitrose but expecting to pay Aldi prices. Consequently we are left picking through the bargain basket at players that have not been sold. Sure there will be the very, very occasional Afobe but their will be an awful lot more Eggert Jonssons than Benik Afobes.
     
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    How much did Afobe cost to Eggert SCT? You can hardly compare them & we are talking about this season not 4 years ago under different managers.

    I notice Bolton released their accounts today, £142m in debt after they came down with us & have had to slash their wage bill & costs.
     
  21. reanswolf

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    Who mentioned Thelwell? I didnt.
    Who mentioned Morgan manipulating KJ? I didnt.
    Where did I say Moxey invents stories about our bids? I didnt.

    A strange and somewhat invented post yourself there Mr Wolf.:confused:

    What I did say is whatever it is or whatever the reasons for so many failed bids, it is $$$$-poor from the club. Which it is.

    I think KJ identifies players but then leaves it to Moxey to conclude the deals. he has failed, maybe often he aint to blame but suspect he may be at times to.
     
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    Bang on. Not KJ's fault those reasons.
     
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    not good enough for me, why were there no back up plans?

    just a set of poor excuses.
     
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    with so many failures at getting the players you go after surely its got to be down to what your prepared to pay. the bottom line is were not prepared to pay the levels of money involved to get these players in, with the exception of afobe who has come in and shown his worth immediately and will bag us a nice fee when he moves on. the one thing you cant accuse the club of is ambition.
     
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    I presume a back up plan requires players of the same ability or similar being available. If not the back up plan is stick with what you've got!

    If you want a decent car, let's say a 2 year old Merc but can't find one that fits the bill do you just buy an Astra instead or stick with your current car and wait till the right car becomes available?!
     
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    Personally I think your last line is contradicted by the rest of what you say. Sorry bud.

    Listen, I know money aint everything, but a football club is usually classed as ambitious if they spend a lot. Anyone can say "we're ambitious and we want to get back to the top flight asap".

    Actions speak louder than words.
     
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    Not everything is aimed at you mate just the first bit about the club dragging its heels on signings, the rest is a general response to people.

    Why when we have signed players before early doors for loads more money than we spend now do you assume it's now Moxey stalling & not KJ's approach to transfers or his squad? Wanting wage parity, wanting a tight knit squad, wanting certain players that he's worked with before who he knows will fit into our culture/his plans?

    Did we stall last season in league 1? Maybe just Kenny who has never been at this level with money before has been a bit caught out, sounded liked he'd been really shocked when Wilson went for £3m at the start of the window, I don't imagine Jez or Morgan would be that taken aback by a £3m football transfer.

    If he wanted players like Gray, Pritchard, Coady, Donaldson & the dozen of other very cheap summer transfers we could have had them I would expect but he chose to go after others.

    Bamford is another one, picked Boro - maybe Chelsea connection/more likely to play.
     
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    Yeah, but Woods never wanted to come here Ponty and a fee was never agreed either. Surely in this day and age, with agents acting as communictaors, a risk assessment approach is undertaken & it can be ascertained whether a player is keen to come. We wasted months chasing a player who didnt want to ome to Wolves.

    I'm not overly convinced Maguire ever wanted to either.
     
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    No worries, I wasnt sure if you was referring to what I said.

    I think we can get players in if we want. KJ obviously wanted players in too. The critical diference between the 3rd tier and this division is that the quality required costs more.

    I think yeah wage parity is important as KJ has said he wants a tight knit squad, I accept that. But the wage levels will be set by M & M, if that is 'realtively' low then we won't easily get the quality in. Only occasionally with up and coming lads like Afobe will we strike gold.

    But that aint KJ's fault, maybe it is even understandable thinking at board level that they want young and hungry. But that approach has to be balanced and proportionate. If you stick to a relatively low wage level we will not easily acquire quality. As has been proven. Players in general are not enticed by low wages.

    Its where we went wrong in the premiership, and possibly to some degree now. It certainly explains why Kj is frustrated but not blaming anyone particularly.
     
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    Come on be serious, there are very few clubs in this league who pay more than we do. Even less so the ones that have spent 4-8 years in this league without parachute payments who are above us.

    Loan players can only get paid their contract at most & there won't be many loan players on more than Danny Graham or Sagbo in this league so of course we can compete with wages.

    But again even if we can't/don't have money that some of you believe, why oh why would you spend you last £1m on Saville instead of getting more players in? Is KJ really that clueless or does he know his budget & have more to spend & really we have just missed out on certain players like he says to no fault of our own?
     
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    Afobe aside, it does seem to be the case that a lot of players we get are when no one else is interested (or seriously interested with rival offers).

    Every manager makes mistakes, its hard to believe how when you see how Saville performs. But he is only young. Wigan bought Delort for £3m FFS, surely one of the mistakes of the century.
     
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    Fair point, so I stick with the faithful, cross my fingers I don't need a spell in the garage, and hope I reach my destination.

    If not there's always next year.........
     
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    As strange as it seems now, there were a number of clubs interested in Saville at the time. Middlesbrough 'leading the chase' according to the highly reliable Pete O'Rourke with bids also being rejected from Wigan.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9399159/transfer-news-middlesbrough-chasing-chelsea-midfielder-george-saville
     
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    If there's a girl you really fancy and hasn't turned you down do you keep an interest until she does or do you immediately give up and move on to a fatter, uglier one instead? You make it sound so simple but the reality is the kind of player that would improve our team would improve a lot of other teams as well so they have plenty of options.
     
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    Better than the possible alternative of shelling out more than you can afford and still finding the car needs a spell in the garage and you've got no money to pay for the repairs!
     
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    I take your point, but with only 2-3 million shelled out so far, I wouldn't think we're quite at deaths door yet.

    Like many, I don't want the club to throw money at the cause, but equally I don't want our better players thinking there's a distinct lack of ambition from the boardroom.
     
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    And it appears KJ doesn't want his better players getting $$$$ed off because less able players are being paid more than they are.
     
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    I always make do with the fatter, uglier one in the first place.
     
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    I like they way everyone keeps putting 'Afobe aside' to their arguments as if he doesn't count because he doesn't fit your opinions.

    McDonald, Golbourne, Dicko, La Parra, Rowe, Afobe aside, Moxey has never moved early for a player since KJ has been here.
     
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    Afobe aside our business has been poor this season, that is what we are talking about. Afobe aside even KJ has said he is frustrated. Afobe aside of course.
     

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