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Kevin Doyle

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  1. Ivegotawolvesscarf

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  2. It's Mixu Paatelainen

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    I'm more surprised to find out that Doyle had more than twenty-five shots last season. Not even kidding.
     
  3. Doyle is woeful always seems to escape criticism yet is one of the highest paid players and in a 4-4-2 is next to useless
     
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    Agree 100%. Cant remember more than a handful. Seriously strange. Nice to see Kites stats on crossing accuracy in there. Interesting that Jarvo is not on the list.
     
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    Saw on another site that although he's had less shots and scored less than Fletcher, he's actually got a better goals/chance ratio... still rather have Fletcher though! Jarvis trumped them both, quite comfortably.
     
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    Apparently Kightly is one of the most accurate crossers of a ball in the league.

    Another interesting quote is this:

    "Only Swansea midfielder Leon Britton pips Paul Scholes as the most accurate passer of the season"

    So the player who is currently the best passer of the ball in Europe, above players like Sergio Busquets and Xavi, slightly pipped Paul Scholes?
     
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    A lot of that is due to the fact that Doyle spends so much of his time chasing defenders and drifting out to the channels that he simply doesn't get himself into as many scoring positions as Fletcher.

    I'd still rather have Fletcher every time but I don't think people should underestimate just how good Doyle has been for us. Our best player for much of our our first two years back in the Premier League and we would have been relegated long before we actually were without him.
     
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    What you mean is that Doyle sprints towards the wing whenever we bring the ball into the opposition half. I have lost count the number of times in the last three seasons that Doyle has had the ball on the wing, and crossed it in to nobody because the bloke that should be there to tuck it home is the same guy that sent the cross over. I don't remember Bully putting in many crosses. Maybe that's why he scored 306 goals and Doyle is yet to score 20.
     
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    Hear! Hear! Really hope he stays.
    On another note, love to watch Scholes play, pings the ball about with great accuracy and always seems to be in a position to receive the ball. Great player. Much better than Parker.
     
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    I know this is almost blasphemous so let me start by saying that Bully is my favourite ever Wolves player and the best pure goalscorer that I have ever seen.

    However, when comparing scoring records, I think that you do have to take into account the respective teams, systems and divisions that both players were playing in. Bully scored 100 goals in the old Divisions 3 and 4 in teams that won those divisions comfortably. He then averaged 20-25 goals a season in the Championship in teams that played an attacking 4-4-2 and were more often than not chasing promotion (a record which isn't actually too dissimilar to Doyle's scoring record in the Championship with Reading).

    In his Wolves career, Doyle has had to play as a lone striker in a struggling side in the hardest league in the world. So whilst I'm confident that Bully would have scored more than Doyle in the same circumstances, I don't think he would have scored that many more and certainly not as many as Fletcher has (possibly 10-12 goals a season). I also don't think that he could have played the lone striker role as well as either Doyle or Fletcher have done.

    I'm not for one second suggesting that Doyle's contribution to Wolves is remotely similar to that of Bully's. Just saying that you can't really compare their scoring records as they are totally different types of players who were asked to perform totally different roles in totally different circumstances. Despite his form this season, Doyle has generally been excellent for us and I will always be grateful for the effort and quality he has shown for us.
     
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    It is my understanding that both Bully and Doyle were forwards. It's a forwards job to score goals. You don't do that by standing on the touchline. Someone said on here the other day that Doyle was a posh man's Andy Keogh, that description ain't far off.
     
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    I don't disagree. I think the way that Fletcher plays the lone striker role has proven to be more effective than Doyle's, especially in terms of goalscoring. Just making the statement that Doyle was having to play as a lone striker in a struggling side and his goalscoring record in the Championship (in a 4-4-2 with Kitson) wasn't all that dissimilar to Bully's.

    Out of interest, how do you think Bully would have done playing as a lone striker in the Premier League in our team of the last three seasons?
     
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    In my totally Partizan opinion Bully would have outscored Fletch these last two seasons.

    Bully was a natural finisher. Where as Doyle likes to side foot and slide rule pass them into the net, and Fletch scores lots with his head, Bully used to put his foot right through them, and he was never afraid to shoot.

    At the moment when we reach the 18 yard box, we pass it sideways trying to work it to the wings to cross it in for Fletch. Even when there is a shot on, we won't risk it. Bully would have took that chance. It's how he scored those goal against Hereford in the 80s and that goal against Czechoslovakia. Looked up, saw the shot was on and put his foot through it.

    I also think that he would have thrived off the wingplay of Kightly and Jarvis.
     
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    Cheers for the reply mate. A lot of points I agree with in there, especially that he would have thrived in a team with Kightly and Jarvis (such a shame Kites wasn't fit for the first two seasons back in the Premier League).

    That goal against Czechoslovakia was fantastic.
     
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    Great post!
     
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    Different types of players - different types of football, different leagues, different era's, different lengths of time at the club/games played - can't really compare them. Bully also had an excellent partner/workhorse - Andy Mutch
     
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    If Doyle hadn't got injured towards the end of last season we'd of gone down then instead of blues, thats how he saved us that year
     
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    I like Fletch but Bully was a complete goal machine and in his prime would have scored 20+ goals a season in the Prem, no doubt about it.

    His England appearances proved to his doubters that he was good enough to play at the top and I will always remember the cup game at Everton in the late 80's for a glimpse of what might of been if we had managed to get into the first division at that time. Bully was head and shoulders above the rest of the team that night. Looked the part and duly scored his goal.
     
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    I feel that Doyle (plus Hunt) have done their bit for the club - but their best days for us are behind them and its time to move them on.

    Players get a bit complacent and comfortable when they've been part of a club for a while - and these two are prime examples of that.
     
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    I think Doyle, while he has had a poor season by his standards, still has a lot to offer the club, especially in the Championship. Looking at some of his performances last season (Newcastle away is the first that springs to mind) indicates that he is still one of our best players and we should be doing everything possible to keep him and build a team around him, especially as we are almost inevitably losing Fletcher.

    Hunt, on the other hand, I agree is past his usefulness for the club - and the drop to a lower standard of football is not guaranteed to eke out the necessary improvement. I'd be looking to move him on.
     
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    Yes Bully was God but Mutchy was a striker too, as was the Doog for those with long enough memories.They too played the foil striker and did not have great scoring records.

    To compare Doyle's input to Hunts at Wolves is verging on criminal IMO.

    Even Fletch has looked frustrated of late at the lack of service in a consistently struggling team who are devoid of midfield drive and any significant fluid forward play. Dont underestimate just how difficult and demoralising it becomes after 3 seasons of the same up front by yourself.

    It saddens me that his input is not appreciated by some. If he goes can't blame him.
     
  22. Ralphdog

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    Totally agree. Doyle keeps the ball well and while he had the ball, our defenders weren't giving goals away. Not being flippant but when a team us under pressure forwards give the defense a rest by simply keeping the ball.
     
  23. Mugwump

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    Bull worked just as hard as Doyler ever did imo. He was faster, stronger and more single minded when it came to goalscoring. He always chased lost causes, stupidly imo sometimes. In his prime he would have scored goals for any team. He was also kicked from pillar to post and did suffer from injuries quite badly later on. We were rarely the outstanding football team on the pitch either in his time in the second division. We struggled for quite a few years without even making the play offs.

    It was criminal how we wasted his best years trying to get out of the second division. A one of a kind player who we will never see the likes of again at Wolves. A far, far better footballer than he was ever given credit for.
     
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    The million pound question:

    Better or worse than Maierhoffer?
     
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    Have to disagree with that. I was praying that Doyle got injured come what Feb/March in the second season, (say what you like, but there was no chance that Mick was dropping Doyle or sticking him and Fletcher in a 4-4-2) just so Fletcher had a chance to prove himself and ultimately save our season which he did.

    Doyle's shot accuracy more than likely comes from those shots that he has in and around the box on the turn which is usually as weak as and as clinical as Keogh's shooting.

    Credit that I can give to Doyle is that he works his $$$$ off for this team, but can't you say that for all of our team?

    Since the 1st season and the 1st half of the second season he has been a liability.
     
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    Doyle was in awesome form when he got injured in our second season!

    We'd taken 8 points from our last four games, in which Doyle had been deployed as the lone striker.

    We were completely shell-shocked upon losing him for the rest of the season and played terribly for the next 5 games; it was only in the last 3 games that we managed to get it together and start winning again.

    Obviously that was the making of Fletcher of Wolves, but I think it hurt us as a team.
     
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    That's a fair point, I must have been praying since December then I just wanted Fletcher to get his chance!
     
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    All of this is spot on, when Doyle got injured we thought the fat lady has sung. I doubt any one of us thought it was good news at the time.
     
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    I seem to remember at the time that everyone (including myself) was absolutely devastated that Doyle had got injured as he and the team were in his best run of form of the season.

    Looking back, it did ultimately work out for the best as it heralded the real start of Fletcher's career with us and it was his goals towards the end of the season that did more than anything to keep us up. The role that Doyle played up until then though shouldn't be underestimated.
     
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    Hah! I remember walking home from the Mol after Wigan beat us on Boxing day with my head firmly glued in my hands that Fletcher had not come on earlier!
     
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    Don't ask me that!!
     
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    Just looking at Doyle's stats in the Championship and he scored 36 goals in 81 games for Reading in that division.

    If we could only keep one of Doyle or Fletcher, I would obviously prefer Fletcher but Doyle's goalscoring record in the Championship is decent.
     
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