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Jordan Graham:Can Nuno do a Coady on him?

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  1. merseawolf

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    Just watched that clip on E&S with those 2 muppets discussing Graham and pretty much saying his career at Wolves is over. I'm not so sure. With the transformation of Coady into a sweeper could he do the same with Graham into a Premier League wing-back? Who had any idea Coady could now be pivotal in our formation spraying balls across the park and controlling our play from the back. I always had him down as a combative duracell of a player who would run and run with little technical ability. Just goes to show what good coaching and Coadys willingness to adapt can do.
    The modern wing back is being used in many teams with the emphesis being on attacking play. When i watch Chelsea and Moses in that role i have no doubt that Graham could be our man for that role. The attacking side of it is there naturally it would be the defensive side that would need plenty of work but Moses has done it so why not Graham?
    I would love to see him knuckle down and give it a right go otherwise he will just end up a show pony winger in The Championship like Hamilll at Barnsley or somewhere similar.
     
  2. Okresh

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    No. I think he would have done it by now if Graham was ever in Nuno's plans.
    Coady went straight in to the sweeper role without any hesitation first match of pre-season.
     
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    I really rate him but now I am unsure if he was a false positive. We’re the rest so bad that he looked so good?

    I think Nuno will sort or move him on. Although difficult sometimes it’s best not to get too sentimental I think.
     
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    Making a top player isn't always just about having the ability, it also requires drive, and character. I am not so sure that Graham has all the attributes. He was shipped out of Villa for a reason (although Lambert might not be best judge of that), but what was concerning is the he was also shipped out to Fulham by Nuno pretty sharpish and failed there too.
     
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    No his career has finished here. Doesn’t get a sniff, if Nuno has seen anything in him he wouldn’t have farmed him out on loan and even Fulham didn’t give him any playing time. Could be the next Adam Hammill unfortunately, looks to have talent but flatters to decive.
     
  6. merseawolf

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    Coady obviously didnt go straight into that role. It must of took hours and hours of coaching and a whole pre-season to transform him. Maybe Nuno is doing it with Graham since he came back?
     
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    Hes had all season to impress ,and failed to do it even on loan,i wonder if he has the inclination or the attitude to change his style,i doubt it tbh
     
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    hes a good player but we have far better already, let alone if we get into the prem. same as Marshall. i like him and wish him all the best, im sure theres a good chance he will carve out a decent career
     
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    It would be interesting to know the process of Coady converting to the sweeper role. Whether it was something he suggested, Nuno's suggestion or even one of the coaching staff.
     
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    A player has to want to succeed and in Coady I see a player who was prepared to work hard, adapt and try something else. It has clearly worked as he is now a regularly consistent player who plays an important role. In Graham I see a player who whilst luck hasn't always been on his side he has failed to make the most of the chances and opportunities that have come his way. Far from grasping his chance at Fulham he was a massive flop and not the slightest convinced he has the attitude or aptitude to change?

    So re the OP. If Nuno sees something there he may well try and reckon with his approach to things could well succeed but why waste time and effort on a player who doesn't give the impression he's prepared to make the effort. Wolves need to move on from the types of players they have suffered with in the past and move him on.
     
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    No down to one thing. Attitude. I wouldn't trust Graham to defend in the championship let alone the Premiership.
     
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    Wing-back is one thing, but there is absolutely no way Nuno is going to transform Jordan Graham into a combative sweeper.

    Nuno may be good, but no one's that good!
     
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    Haha!!:D
     
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    Look at Coady and Cav this season. Worked hard and been transformed into vital players. It is debatable if Graham has as much ability as Cav but he certainly has more than Coady, I just don't think he has the drive and determination to make himself an important player like those two. It is a shame because if he did have the drive and determination it could only benefit us, as well as him.
     
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    Graham has been brilliant for Wolves. Under Jackett in his last season he was literally the only player worth watching - he was pacy, incisive and had end product. There was no flattering to deceive he had everything to his game as a winger.

    The problem is he is an ingrained winger, he just can't play anywhere else. Nuno is no mug he can see he's a quality player I'm sure. He gave him a go in pre-season and I watched the games. He didn't play badly against Peterborough but it was very clear he was not a wing-back. His instinct just wasn't there to track his man. In the role of wing back for Wolves you don't need to be a great crosser of the ball, you need the nous when to stick and when to twist. Doherty in particular mostly gets to the by line and cuts it back for Costa or Cavaleiro, or even Saïss (example - Millwall away) Graham just can't do this, it's not his fault he just isn't the right player.

    Then Nuno tried him in the Cavaleiro / Jota / Costa role against Leicester but again he was a square peg. He was getting in Doherty's way. He wants to be the man at the by line and our system hasn't got room for that, it causes congestion where we don't need it and leaves us a man short where we do.

    I wanted Graham to work in our system badly because he's a player who is capable of getting you off your seat every time he gets the ball. The problem is the doesn't have a role here. I'll be sad to see him go and I really take exception to the comments dismissing him as 'Not good enough' because he is good enough and by the way he didn't make an impact at Fulham because he faces exactly the same conundrum as we do.

    On another note I actually met Shahid Khan today, nice polite gentleman. I didn't ask him about Graham though.
     
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    So the general feeling is that he has no chance and attitude seems to be the problem. Such a shame when talented players lack the mental fortitude needed to succeed.
    I was involved in Professional golf for quite a few years and was always amazed that players with such god given talent were not prepared to match it with the work rate needed. I suppose its a theme in any sport that players with less talent can go on to great things by working hard. In golf Ian Poulter is a classic example. Very very average in his younger days but a work ethic and determination unmatched by any of his peers and has been rewarded handsomely
     
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    Great post thanks for that. I rate him highly too. Cant comment on his attitude as necer met him or seen him at work during training. As you say he has proved he can perform. Just doesnt fit into our system.
    Do you see any similarity with Moses at Chelsea? He was an out and out winger before Conte converted him
     
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    I disagree with the comparison to be honest. I think Moses was a player who had played all his career on the winger but he isnt a out and out winger like the likes of Graham and someone say Bollasie for instance. I think Moses has more of a football brain to him, bigger and more physical. The likes of Graham and Bollasie are old fashioned wingers who want to beat you with pace, nothing else.
     
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    Spot on...Coady could have said he didn't want to play in defence and sat out in the cold waiting for an opportunity or indeed left
     
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    He isn't the first and won't be the last player John to have all that's needed except the right approach.
     
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    On another note I actually met Shahid Khan today, nice polite gentleman. I didn't ask him about Graham though.[/QUOTE]
    Did he ask you about Neves:)
     
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    I'd love for someone who knows him to come on here and defend his attitude. I think its easy for people who dont know the lad to make assumptions just through what they see on social media. From what i see he is somewhat of a luxury player so far in his career. An out and out winger with plenty of tricks and no shortage of end product. Many seem to forget how good he was pre injury.
    Just makes me laugh when people just brand him as poor attitude etc when they dont even know much him and he is still young enough to change if he even needs to change his attitude. Maybe he just needs to mature as a player and man.
     
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    Never met him as such John but have plenty of friends and relatives in the West Midlands some of whom have met him and seen him out and about on occasion. From what's been said lets just say he needs a change of attitude. He may have loads of ability and tricks etc etc but he needs to put them to use. He has failed to do so and how much more time do you give him. I always rated him and felt he had more than enough to be a quality player. As it is 'm still waiting to see that quality be of benefit?
     
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    Come on then whats he done much different to any other young man with a bit of cash to burn on a night out?
     
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    i met him once, he was with his friends, didnt have an attitude at all. Seemed a nice enough chap no billy big boots whatsoever.
     
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    That's not for me to say on here and the very fact I haven't witnessed myself what I've been told it would be totally out of order to talk about it.

    It's impossible to judge or even make juddgements about someone based on a one off.
     
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    Does he have the engine and the discipline to be a wing back??? Not sure.

    He was the one bright light we had in Jacketts last season until injury (I was at the match!)

    As my handle will tell you, I love a good winger, my favourite type player! This lad has loads of ability and can change a game on his own.

    However, we seem to be living in a post winger world and therefore it would seem that unless he develops another string to his bow, we may have to lose him which would be a pity but our football now has moved in a different less traditional direction!
     
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    That bad was it?? Blimey!!
     
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    That bad was it?? Blimey!!
     
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    Ps. Speaking of wing backs we have a guy filling the most demanding role of all who has been doing it since August without a break and doing it ever so well!!

    Doc for POTS, the campaign starts here!!!!
     
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    Good shout. Works hard every game and whilst in some he is more influential and effective he has been one of the most consistent performers.
     
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    To answer the OP. In a word “no”. He has ability going forward but does not have the defensive attributes to be a wing back in Nuno’s system. There are also question marks about his attitude which is also key for Nuno. He needs to go somewhere else playing 442 with conventional wingers.
     
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    More chance of Sandwell staying up.

    Coady never had a bad attitude and for me cannot be compared to Graham.

    He couldn’t get in a Fulham squad who were getting poor results earlier in the season, it seems to be everywhere he goes he gets found out (Villa, Fulham & Us).

    I’ve always struggled with the hype around him considering he played so few first team games to warrant it.

    Hopefully I’m wrong and he comes good, I just strongly doubt it.
     
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    He’s been brilliant but behind Coady for me
     
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    You see him in that youth tournament that wolves won, he got player of the tournament and top scorer I believe. Playing in a sort of front 3 or similar, anyway he looked more than simply a wide winger.
    Maybe he's got to the 2nd tier of football at the wrong time when super athletic wing backs are in vogue, or maybe it is his drive/ character. Shame if the latter.
     
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    No. Waste of talent.
     
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    I agree and many people are happy to make judgements based off other people's interactions. Just like to offer some balance. I've also heard other say he's a nice chap. So a bit of balance.
     
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    As has been said he is a decent winger needs a club who uses wingers rather than wingbacks. No future at Wolves the way we play and is not likely to make the bench again this season.
     
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    I think he probably was a good player, very pacey and tricky with a cracking assists record, he’s just very much an out and out winger and
    1. Competing with players in a different stratosphere than last time in Cav Jota and Costa
    2. Not totally suited to the new role, the above 3 are forwards, not old style English wingers
     
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    Busted flush.
     

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