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Jarvis must start tuesday!!

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Dorset DeWolf, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. Dorset DeWolf

    Dorset DeWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    I know i am going to get people saying we shouldn't risk him and he isn't ready yet but i am not suggesting he plays the full 90 minutes, just that ater losing that today with a dreadful performance, tuesdays game is now a MUST win and in the last 3 games we have started very slowly!!

    The difference he made today was unbelievable, kites was awful and i think having Jarvis on the other side will free up him up some what as well as Derby will have 2 pacey wingers to keep an eye on rather than just doubling up on him all the time.

    also on a seperate note, i thought D.Jones was terrible again today, think Edwards bneeds to start in the middle with henry on tuesday
     
  2. glasgowwolf

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    No not ready..... We need to start with Edwards it's too soon.
     
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    Agree he should'nt start if not ready to play 90 mins, but I'm happy to trust the physios med team and mm to make that decision, and if he's ready he should start.
     
  4. KAZZZZ

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    Agree with glasgo its to early to start jarvo.

    The manager needs to sort this out by motavating the players, i wpould consider playing vokes with seb upfront to freshen it up.
     
  5. Dorset DeWolf

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    if he can do a half and have us comfortable by half time then he must play, after that **** today he has to, and I edwards should play, in place of Jones who offered nothing apart from a freekick once again
     
  6. glasgowwolf

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    I would play Keogh
     
  7. KAZZZZ

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    Why?

    Is he going to score goals? or should we drop kites or jarvo and shuv him on the wing.

    I dont know what possition he plays, but i know his not a goal scorer.
     
  8. glasgowwolf

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    This is where some people don't understand forward play.

    Heskey is one of the best forwards in the Premiership, but he is not a goal scorer.
    Owen on the other hand only scores goals, and does very little else.

    Look at any team they all have differenty styles of play.

    Iwuelmo has been superb for us this season.

    May be it's time to freshen things up
     
  9. Shifnal Wolf

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    You really do have something against keogh don't you? He has changed last few games he has come on and made more of an impact than our other 2 strikers. You say well they can;t do anything with the service they've had but shouldn't that also apply to Keogh as well as it is the same players behind him as with the other 2?
     
  10. Wolv3nsam

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    Jarvis was the only one to have any impact on the game today. Must start.
     
  11. Dewsburywolf

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    You play with him then. Wolves can then have players who know what they have to do.
     
  12. jlovatt

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    I don't think Vokes would offer the same link-up play as Keogh, but playing at home on a bigger pitch i'd personally stick with Iwelumo for Tuesday.
     
  13. wwfc9

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    you are all taking this result too far who is the man who said we have started slowly last 3 gameswe were 1 up at sheff u inside 5 mins we will lose games over the cause of the season i think jarvo will start tues he says he feels as fit as before and he certainly looked it.Why the panic lets all calm down and panic after these two home games if we dont get the right results iwelumo and blake have failed to score between them in two games this season jarvo coming back will create space for the front two and kightly and you will see a different wolves again tues night WE CANT WIN EM ALL!!!!
     
  14. glasgowwolf

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    My only reservation, is he looks better with wingers.

    Kightly has been poor.
    Edwards is not a winger

    Maybe Friend to start with Iwuelmo.

    Or Keogh to start with Edwards
     
  15. glasgowwolf

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    3 games recently when he has played wolves have been better
     
  16. kal1000

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    Iwelumo and SEB have to start on Tuesday, we'll always create chances against the likes of Derby and Barnsley at home so this one is a no brainer IMO. However Keogh or Vokes should have came on at HT (I'd have gone for Keogh). SEB and Iwelumo hardly had a kick in the 1st half, In contrast Keogh acts as a link man who wants the ball to feet and is capable of pulling defences apart with his movement.

    Jarvis was a major positive and although he'll probably have to make do with a couple of 30 min appearances for the next 2 matches, I'm just happy to see him back!! Also Kightly stuck to the RW spot when Jarvis came on and the team looked much more balanced.
     
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    for gods sake i am one of the few that always ticks up for Keogh and do rate him very highly as a forward, but to say he changed todays game is ridiculous, he made no good impact today at all, maybe one block where vokes got a volley in but that was all, the only person that did well today was Jarvis
     
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    If Jarvis is fit enough to make the bench and half an hour of very effective play on the pitch, he's fit. He's not a china doll, ffs -- he should start on Tues.
     
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    2 games in 4 days.

    If we had a week off, I would agree.

    Most injuries occur when players are tired, so on that basis, I would bring him on with 20 to go again.

    Or may be not at all if we are winning, and possibly start him next Saturday
     
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    We failed to score enough goals last season because we lacked width for most of the season and as a result we tended to play long which played into the hands of most sides who had lighthouses at the back(Look how well Collins tends to play when he is just required to head the ball clear instead of being dragged all over the place)
    We started this season with width which was reflected in our performances and results. Once Jarvis got injured MK has played differently,either on the left or too often coming inside. As a result our game has narrowed,and despite the results we have been easier to play against up top. CI and SEB have looked sluggish in the last 3 games because too many balls have been pumped up from deep and too few have been won. Jarvis needs to return asap to give us width which will help to negate the oppostion tactic of doubling up on MK ,and make it difficult for defenders to defend balls coming in from the byeline.
     
  21. woolee9

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    WHAT?! I though Henry was the worst player on the park today and Jones was just coming into the game when he was brought off. Got to drop Henry! Jarvo was amazing when he came on. Foley, ward and iwelumo shocking!
     
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    I thought S. Ward had a decent game same goes for Henry. David Jones was awful and went missing in the big games as he always does, it was an Olofinjana-esque performance.
     
  23. Dorset DeWolf

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    Did you watch the game?? he wasn't even the worst player out of the 2 choices in the centre of midfield, let alone if you have the whole 11 to pick from, Jones was terrible, as he was against brum also
     
  24. Apart from the fact that every one of the starting eleven were below par, the balance of the side was uneven especially in the first half. It was much better when Jarvis came, but by that time Big Chris and SEB looked well beaten and Mickey Kightly also seemed to have lost heart. Vokes is no replacement for either of our star strikers, poor as they were at QPR, and as for Keogh.....well he has his fans on here and obviously Big Mick loves him, but he's been playing like a fairycake this season and today was no exception.

    We were outplayed and outfought in most positions today , including Hennessey who has temporarily lost his ability to keep goal with any consistancy. We would have lost by more than one goal, but luckily QPR don't have a decent striker.
     
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    No it's not.

    He had 45 minutes almost 2 weeks ago, he's had a good intense 60 minute session in training, he wouldn't have been on the bench at QPR if he wasn't ready and he wouldn't have come on with 30 mins left if he wasn't ok.

    He should start on Tuesday, might only get through an hour, but that's to do with gaining match fitness, the only reason it may be 'too soon' was if he may not be recovered from his injury. If he hasn't, I very much doubt he'd have played any part against QPR.
     
  26. sean from oz

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    Why? This is our first loss in 9 games whats the panic everyone!!!
     
  27. cooper_J

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    Agreed - it is too early to chop and change.

    We may have lost yesterday but that side is the same one who has had such a fine run of late. If we fail to pick up 3 points on Tuesday then we should think about it.
     
  28. fullmoon

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    We should give Hill a run out to assess his performance. Heard he is fit to play.
    Will be able to overlap with Shackell/Ward on the left.

    Do not risk Jarvis for a full match. Hopefully MM sees the need to rest some key players.
     
  29. My feeling about the game yesterday, is that just like Blooze QPR had sussed us out. They decided to harrass us from the start and we had no answer, unfortunately we had several players well below their normal standard which didn't help, and the first 45 minutes was the worst I'd seen Wolves play this season ( got to admit I wasn't at the Swansea and Norwich games ).

    I like Dave Edwards and his all action enthusiastic displays, but yesterday he lacked control and generally provided no outlet on the right-hand side. The balance of the side was not helped by Mickey Kightly's drop in form since he came back from injury....is he fit?

    We desparately need Jarvis on the left and Kightly ( hopefully back to his best ) on the right, to spread the play. Big Chris and SEB were sub-standard at QPR, but they were mostly just getting balls lumped up to them when they were tightly marked.
     
  30. dolmanrj

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    Agreed that we miss Jarvis, but who wouldnt with his pace?but i wouldnt start saying we need to desperately start him. We managed to win 7 in a row without him so there is no reason why he cant start on the bench on tuesday and be an impact player like last night. The last thing we want is to start him and then get injured again.
     
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    I have no idea how fit Jarvis is so I can't possibly say whether he should start on Tuesday or not.

    That said, I'm increasingly of the opinion that a 'rest' would do Kightly good. His form's been poor of late. Whether that's due to tiredness, bigheadedness or just a dip in form I don't know, but a game or two on the bench might do him some good. So if Jarvis is fit I'd be tempted to start with him and Keogh on the wings.
     
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    He has only played 60 mins of a friendly and 45 mins of a 1st team game.
    I think he is a quality player, but I am worried if he starts, especially after 45 minutes yesterday, that tiredness will set in, and he pulls his hamstring again.

    I would rather he came on for 30 - 45 minutes.

    Than start him and have him out for 9 weeks.

    Lets ease him gently we have plenty of games coming up.

    He can play for 30 - 45 minutes in the next 2 games, then if we don't have a midweek game start him the Saturday after.

    3 games in a week, for someone out for 9 weeks, may (may) result in injury
     
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    If only Gobern was fit..... May be him on the bench to pressure Kites.

    I would be really interested to see what Mick says to Kites.

    He is at his best out wide, hugging the touchline and running at players.

    I said it at half time yesterday, we needed width, and Kites should have been told to get chalk on his boots, Jarvis came on got chalk on his boots and we looked dangerous.

    Kites needs to stop coming in side, stay out wide give us shape and balance.

    We looked better against Blues because we had better shape, with Keogh out right and Kites out left.

    We need width, against Derby I would start with Friend, ask him to hug the touchline.
    tell Kites to stay out wide right.
    Stretch the game....
     
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    I agree but yesterday Kightly was told to play 'in the hole'. He didnt do it because he is big-headed or ignoring instructions, he played centrally because he was told to.
    Width is key to us, without it we clog up central midfield and thus cramp the play and we find it hard to pass the ball.
     
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    Width might be central (pun intended), but a working Plan B is useful. QPR's narrow pitch meant our wingers weren't going to be able to cause as much havoc as they sometimes do.

    Mick seemed to try and implement a tactical change yesterday- punting long balls up to Iwelumo and hoping Kightly/E-B could pick up the knockdowns, but Francis was too good for that to work. I'd suggest most central defenders in this division won't be good enough, and that as a Plan B it's not a bad one.
     
  36. SaleWolf

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    in one game against QPR, other than that he has been absolutely superb all season.

    You really are clueless.

    Keogh to start on the left? Why, when has Keogh ever played well in that position, when?

    Keogh can be played as a forward if he brings to the table what he did in parts of last season and his first 6 months at the club but until he shows one tiny bit of form, he shouldn't get near the side.

    Ebay scores goals and Iwelumo is vital to the way we play. You cannot justifiably drop either of them.
     

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