Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by glasgowwolf, Dec 5, 2008.
On The bench hopefully gove him a 20 minute run out
why is that worthy of a club text lol
Because the bloke is class and worthy of a club text lol
Anyone know how many tickets we have sold for tomorrow?
Great news - let's not rush him back too soon though - I would hate for him to break down again!
I think it will be 4 or 5 games before he plays 90 minutes.
I think it will be 3 games before he starts.
Muscles tend to go when you are Cold or tired.
He will definately be warm and stretched before he comes on.
The thing with hamstrings is that if they aren't rehabbed correctly they can go again or cause all sorts of other injuries- back and knee in particular. Michael Owen is a prime example of a player who had a hamstring injury and came back too soon and reinjured it and it led to a succession of problems for him. However, Jarvis has been out for a while (6-7 weeks?) and I have a bit more faith in the current medical/physio staff than the previous ass-clowns, so I reckon he should be ok.
Jarvis out 9 weeks
Owen's problem was not his hamstrings.
It was eventually identified as a weak core.
He worked hard on strengthening his core and has not had hamstring problem since
Thanks doc. BUT I think his initial hamstring problem was less to do with core strength and more to do with an imbalance between the strength of his quad muscle and the hamstring. Take a look a few years back at the size of his quads, they're ridiculous. A lot of quad weights and insufficient hamstring strength to counter balance it caused his hamstring to go. Once the hamstring was injured for the first time core strength in the rehab is very significant and doubtless contributed to the succession of subsequent injuries. Once the core strength was addressed during rehab his hamstring problems went away. However, the initial source of his problems was his hamstring NOT his lack of core strength.
Thanks, I do know his clore was blamed for a lot of his subseqeunt ham string strains.
You are correct that his Quads were huge (as Most Footballers are).
I did not realise his initial injury was down to the mismatch in Quads.
I had the opposite problem, my Ham strings, and outer thigh muscles were huge, My Quads were small.
This lead to problems with my knees, it was pulling everything out of line.
I had to build up my quads. Now I have stopped playing football, I get less issues
be great to see him involved again, he was a bigger threat than kites before he got injured, i bet our next few opponents will not be pleased to hear they've got him back to contend with on the left, as he obviously offers a significantly bigger threat than Gray
I'd definitely have him on the bench tomorrow. Edwards or Gray on the left.
It will be like a new signing when he returns, and weve done pretty well without him! So, for me, with the lead as big as it is for now, and 6 games in 22 days coming up, I wouldn't worry about bringing him back tomorrow.
Be great to have similar threats on both wings again, as it prevents teams doubling up on both wingers
Edwards, no contest.
It would be great to think we'd start marauding teams again a la Forest and Preston with Jarvis back. The defense and midfield have ground out some impressive performances of late but it's not hard to imagine them losing a couple on the bounce as things stand. Another prong to the attack could be just at the right time, IMO.
Mauling? or we'd be a marauding team?
other wise agree, Jarvis is better than just having the player, threats on both flanks means more space for Kites and there'd be danger on both flanks, as opposed to Gray, or an out of position Keogh.
Gray for me more defensive.
though he was $$$$ poor last week
Hope to see Jarvo on the bench and get a 20m run-out...
Did we not play with more threat last weekend with Kightly on the left and Keogh on the right? Not that I'm advocating playing this way all the time but just pointing out that Keogh is just as good an option as Gray and Edwards is better played as an impact player from the bench. Or at least in his favoured centre midfield position/playing just behind the striker.
I wouldn't play him on the left though. We'd get murdered on that wing.
Hence the comment re Kightly on the left and Keogh on the right.
Not too sure I'd advocate playing Kightly there every time but it seemed to work second half last week.
You could also advocate playing Gray there for his customary 60 minutes and then bring Jarvis on as a replacement. I'm guessing that might terrify them a little.
It worked because he didn't have to worry about Quedrue kicking him into the stand every time he got the ball. Definitely not Keogh for me....david Edwards and perhaps Jarvis for a 15-20 minute cameo
He will come out for a bits of football until we get closer to christmas when he will come back to be the jarvis we all know and love and rip teams like sheff utd apart on boxing day
Interesting stuff lads - makes me think ........is their some fundamental imbalance with Matt Murray which makes him systemically prone to injury?
I thought we'd established many years ago that he was unfortunately born with popadom (sp) legs?
Not far off 1500 when I rang the ticket office earlier.
pillock - i was trying to make a serious point if ther is some basic issue with his muscles/core/spine alignment etc. etc. then until that is sorted he will never have a real chance of a comeback
Didn't someone say on one of the Matt Murray Threads last week that his upper body strength/physique was out of proportion to his lower body physique? Uneven weight distribution?
He used to get the urine ripped out of him for having "chicken legs" by Mike Stowell.
I agree, certainly uneven weight distribution.
Lighten up... x
so if correct then the correct training would be to put him on the bikes and turn him into Chris Hoy thus preventing a recurance and giving him a real chance of a future
Nah introduce him to our rather toned left back.
Doh, he's suffering from a similar injury too
Our fitness coach, what kept him on the sidelines during his career at Wolves.................
Kightly was much better in the second half but how much of that was down to brum playing an uncomfortable centre mid there at left back? Dont get me wrong he isnt bad on the left but he is much, much more effective on the right.
I hope Jarvis gets 15/20 minute run nothing too strenuous just enough to get feel for things again. And just for the record i would prefer Edwards over Keogh n Gray.
Do you want to edit something there Evo? Kightly on the left wouldn't be up against Brum's left back surely?
He will only come on if were struggling, other than that no point even risking him.
Give this man a job, he's spotted something that various manager/fitness experts/coaches/sports scientists/people who've been involved with the game at a higher level than any of our fans all failed to.
I saw an interview, and I think it was reported from the Parliament, that Matt's body is actually is very good shape, and it is just bad luck.
If it was always the same injuries I would possibly think it was his body.... However it is not.
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