This site is supported by the advertisements on it, please disable your AdBlocker so we can continue to provide you with the quality content you expect.

Jack Wilshere 30 million?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by manchesterwolf17, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. manchesterwolf17

    manchesterwolf17 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    636
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015
    Seriously, I cannot for the life of me fathom as to why this guy is rated anything above average, let alone the 30+ million price tag that has been put on him this week.

    To think we signed Afobe for as little as 2 million. Quite incredible.
     
  2. andyc225

    andyc225 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    9,213
    Likes Received:
    3,457
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2015
    £30m for an injury prone player with questionable professionalism?
     
  3. manchesterwolf17

    manchesterwolf17 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    636
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015

    And questionable ability, I mean what is he supposed to be good at exactly? The problem with teams deciding to purchase foreign players ahead of English players is because of these extortionate prices on players no better. Luke Shaw 30 million?

    Wasn't Christian Erikkson about 7 million? I'd rate him more than a class above Wilshere any day of the week.
     
  4. Peszkywolf

    Peszkywolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,741
    Likes Received:
    1,521
    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    On average how many assists, goals, crucial passes leading to goals, dribbles past defenders does he actually do over a season? Like Mancwolf says Erikson does far more in game, plus he can take a mean free kick. The number of times Wilshire falls over or fouls the opposition means he isn't as good as he and others think he is. I don't think hes ever been in my dream team so that's proof!
     
  5. Sedgley Gold N Black

    Sedgley Gold N Black Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    20,250
    Likes Received:
    2,990
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Wilshere should have been brilliant but injury problems (and it looks like his attitude too) have prevented that.

    Still only 23 so there is a chance for him to fulfil some of his undoubted potential but nowhere near £30m.

    Currently a million miles away from Isco, Gotze & Eriksen to name a few of a similar age and position.
     
  6. Ewok vs Wolf

    Ewok vs Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    1,848
    Joined:
    May 2, 2012
    I like it when Wilshere is on top form and playing 1-2 around the box unfortunately this isn't very often because he's so injury prone mainly his fault as he tends to look for fouls resulting in injuries.
     
  7. we love jez moxey

    we love jez moxey Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,072
    Likes Received:
    337
    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2007
    I know its a different league, but i think Will Hughes will have a better future than him. I'd love to sign him if we went up, but he'll go to a top 6 side surely.
     
  8. mr_j_007

    mr_j_007 Senior Member

    Messages:
    995
    Likes Received:
    46
    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2007
    The professionalism question is a good one, which I believe may allegedly impact upon his injury record. Equally he may (allegedly) know the ex-partner of a ex player of ours a little to familiar...
     
  9. Peszkywolf

    Peszkywolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,741
    Likes Received:
    1,521
    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    When I watch him play its almost like he still feels like hes 16 and a bigger build/ faster than his opponents and still plays like this. He's a good passer and has got a good eye for a pass/ run from a striker. Seems a bit of a $$$$ though, if through watching Cazorla et al and listrning to Wenger and he develops into a world beating CM then who cares.
     
  10. Ponty

    Ponty Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    6,138
    Likes Received:
    701
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2006
    After a promising start started believing he’s better than he is. If he improves his judgement and does the simple thing when it makes sense rather than trying flicks and tricks he might realise his earlier potential. Unfortunately a lack of application and fitness make me doubt it though.
     
  11. Space Wolf

    Space Wolf Guest

    As the joke on Twitter about Wilshire says, he's a professional hospital patient whose career has been blighted by appearances for Arsenal.
     
  12. Dubwolf71

    Dubwolf71 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,962
    Likes Received:
    739
    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Because of his endless injuries, an Arsenal friend of mine calls him Jack Wheelchair.
     
  13. Erick1011

    Erick1011 MolMix Poster of the Season 2012-2013

    Messages:
    17,460
    Likes Received:
    1,882
    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2012
    Fabregas has more assists for Chelsea this season than Wilshere has for Arsenal over his whole career.
     
  14. Munich_Wolf

    Munich_Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,470
    Likes Received:
    343
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    This is one major problem in the PL and it spills over into the national team imho. As soon as English player shows any kind of promise and has a couple of ok seasons their "value" skyrockets to ridiculous levels - the public believe the hype and expect England to do well at tournaments ("look at the value of the squad") and the players suddenly earn 100K plus a week and have essentially made it and never need to improve.
     
  15. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    He's a quality player, but until he strings a consistent run of games together, he will be remembered as a nearly man.
     
  16. Rednal Wolf

    Rednal Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,042
    Likes Received:
    574
    Joined:
    May 1, 2013
    He will end up like O'Hara in a few years the way he is going currently .
     
  17. gordonchas

    gordonchas Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,735
    Likes Received:
    201
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Does anyone remember the hue and cry, not to mention outrage, in 2011 when during a press conference Guardiola answered a question about Wilshere by saying that he had several similar players to him in the Barcelona B squad?

    The press went into overdrive. The current "Sports Journalist of the Year" Matt Lawton wrote: "Guardiola launched an astonishing attack on the most exciting English player to emerge since Wayne Rooney. Guardiola said he had a second team full of midfielders like 19-year-old Wilshere."

    His remarks were misinterpeted by Lawton and the other hacks as it was no sort of "attack" on Wilshere at all, but the Barcelona B team in 2011 included - Thiago, Rafinha, Jonathan Dos Santos, Sergi Roberto, Nolito and Deulofeu.

    Guardiola had a point.
     
  18. Mugwump

    Mugwump Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    7,648
    Likes Received:
    3,865
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Wilshere is a good player, but he isnt up there with the best.
     
  19. Dewsburywolf

    Dewsburywolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    39,109
    Likes Received:
    105
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2007
    Much like his best mate Frimpong then. Let's hope that Afobe (the third one of the trio) looks at these two & knuckles down (looks like he will do) & has a terrific career via dropping down to bounce back stronger
     
  20. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    38,384
    Likes Received:
    10,385
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Ross Barkley will be another one that will have been hyped into the stratosphere but won't live up to expectations.
    The money they earn at such an early age puts them into the comfort zone.Young and hungry converts into Young and wealthy.
    As others have said the PL with its wall to wall blanket coverage produces several of these type of 'the next big one ' players who fail to maximise the expectation because in most cases they never become masters of their craft and merely become part of the overpaid overpriced global brand conveyor belt system.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 25, 2015
  21. Sedgley Gold N Black

    Sedgley Gold N Black Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    20,250
    Likes Received:
    2,990
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Sterling, Shaw, Kane and Berahino to a less extent.

    The problem is those players don't really have the technical ability to develop their game much further.

    The worrying thing is from an England pov is that out of them all Barkey is the one who's game most revolves around technique rather than physical attributes yet he's gone backwards and then some suggesting he's already reached his limit.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 25, 2015
  22. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    38,384
    Likes Received:
    10,385
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    I did think of him but he has probably pushed on more than Barkley but when you read he is holding out for £140k a week allied to him picking and choosing when he wants to play for England aswell as him suffering the same can't keep it in his trousers syndrome that afflicted Griffiths I do begin to wonder.
     
  23. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    38,384
    Likes Received:
    10,385
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    I did think of him but he has probably pushed on more than Barkley but when you read he is holding out for £140k a week allied to him picking and choosing when he wants to play for England aswell as him suffering the same can't keep it in his trousers syndrome that afflicted Griffiths I do begin to wonder.
     
  24. manchesterwolf17

    manchesterwolf17 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    636
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015


    This hits the absolute nail on the head! We don't let these players prosper, we're that desperate to cling onto any grain of what could be a decent prospect that we cater them with everything and class them as good as already established great players, and inevitably they all fade away. I still look at Wayne Rooney and think he could of been as good as Ronaldo etc if he'd have had a different mind set. Look at circa 2004/05, Rooney was easily a better player than Ronaldo at that point, now he wouldn't be fit to lace his boots. World class wages, but not world class players!

    The 30 million for Luke Shaw this summer highlights this perfectly, and what has he done since that move? Despite pocket a cool 120k a week? Just ridiculous.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 25, 2015
  25. Wolfgang Wolf

    Wolfgang Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,863
    Likes Received:
    604
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    wiltshire worth half of sterling then

    TOP TRANSFER VALUES: MESSI OUTRANKS RONALDO AND HAZARD
    05.01.2015
    facebooktwitter
    The CIES Football Observatory is happy to disclose the list of the 120 big-5 league players with the highest transfer value. At the top of the table is Lionel Messi. The Argentinean prodigy outranks Cristian Ronaldo and Eden Hazard. The full list is available in issue number 93 of the Big-5 Weekly Post.
    With the exception of Raheem Sterling, in the top 10 positions of the ranking are only players under contract with teams that are still competing in the Champions League:
    Lionel Messi (Barcelona) : 220 million €
    Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) : 133 million €
    Eden Hazard (Chelsea) : 99 million €
    Diego Costa (Chelsea) : 84 million €
    Paul Pogba (Juventus) : 72 million €
    Sergio Agüero (Manchester City) : 65 million €
    Raheem Sterling (Liverpool) : 63 million €
    Francesc Fàbregas (Chelsea) : 62 million €
    Alexis Sánchez (Arsenal) : 61 million €
    Gareth Bale (Real Madrid) : 60 million €
     
  26. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    21,148
    Likes Received:
    5,011
    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Luke Shaw is a fat waste of space. I can't stand Stirling either although he's a good player something about him just annoys me.

    Maybe we need a wage cap on players under 23, millionaires before they are out of their teens & have never won anything let alone played 100 games. Even the no marks are picking up 10-15k per week & some of them are further away than us from playing a competitive Premiership game.
     
  27. manchesterwolf17

    manchesterwolf17 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    636
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015
    Callum Chambers is another one. I don't think I've ever seen him have a good game, yet he gets thrown straight into the England team, and you can only imagine the salary he's on. Far too many average players on extortionate wages
     
  28. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    38,384
    Likes Received:
    10,385
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    I remember back in the 70's Coventry had a 22 year old centre half called Jeff Blockley.He was just a big lump but then Arsenal snapped him up,quadrupled his wages and 2 days later he was in the England squad.
     
  29. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    45,143
    Likes Received:
    3,731
    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2005
    Decent player on his day but that's half the problem, he doesn't have many days as such. With his injury issues I don't think his worth a third of the fee being mentioned.

    As for Luke Shaw, ridiculous price to have paid for another decent player but nothing more.

    Sad as it is to say but a large percentage of the English players bigged up by the media are nowhere near as good as some make out.
     
  30. Ewok vs Wolf

    Ewok vs Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    1,848
    Joined:
    May 2, 2012
    I can't believe Sterling is holding out for a bigger contract or some other club to pay him more, yeah he's a talent but these players really need to keep their feet on the ground and keep working hard to improve and develop. far too many get the big moves and money far too early. Does Sterling think he's too good for Liverpool or something? I don't get it he's proven nothing yet.
     
  31. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    45,143
    Likes Received:
    3,731
    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2005
    Quite staggering isn't it?:confused:

    I believe he has been offered 100K a week as it is yet wants more. Sheer greed at such a young age is a sad sign of the times. He's most likely a millionaire already and just 20yrs old with, injuries permitting, another 10+ years of top flight football ahead of him.

    He already has IMV a poor attitude and whilst a good player was very ineffective V Man Utd so not the massive superstar he seems to believe he is already.
     
  32. UEAwolf

    UEAwolf Moderator

    Messages:
    5,521
    Likes Received:
    363
    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2005
    Perhaps he wants to move back to London?

    If i were a talented young footballer looking to progress my career and personal life and had the opportunity of joining clubs in London, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona etc - staying in Merseyside would be pretty low down in my priorities.
     
  33. Munich_Wolf

    Munich_Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,470
    Likes Received:
    343
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    In his dreams maybe.
     
  34. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    Why?
     
  35. UEAwolf

    UEAwolf Moderator

    Messages:
    5,521
    Likes Received:
    363
    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2005
    Far nicer environs.
     
  36. Sammy Chungs Tracksuit

    Sammy Chungs Tracksuit Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,222
    Likes Received:
    1,227
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    An awful lot of journo's are London based and a lot of them are Arsenal "fans". Basically this is why a lot of london based players and particularly Arsenal players are over-hyped by the media. It was ever thus dating back to the 70's at least. I think he is massively overrated. A decent player maybe but no world beater. £30m? Under £5m would be more realistic IMO. Nobody is going to pay that kind of money for him so let him rot at Arsenal.
     
  37. Smithy

    Smithy Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,309
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2013
    Sterling is completely overrated, how much has he actually developed over the last two seasons?

    Wiltshere has talent in abundance but unfortunately seems to be made of glass. Shame as he is such a brilliant player when he actually gets a run of games together.
     
  38. Dan G WWFC

    Dan G WWFC Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    9,932
    Likes Received:
    1,851
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Hughes and Wilshere are in the same boat. Look good on the ball but really. They do $$$$ all.
     
  39. SuperTigerWolf

    SuperTigerWolf Senior Member

    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    3
    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2005
    Can't agree on Sterling, IMO it's no coincidence Liverpool have lost their form since Brendan started playing him as a wing back. I think he's the most talented english player for a while.

    Wilshere has suffered due to injuries and also IMO because he rarely gets played as a CM these days. The media build him up to play as a No 10 but I don't see him as that sort of player.
     
  40. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    38,384
    Likes Received:
    10,385
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Hughes was excellent last Friday
     

Share This Page