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Iwelumo & Refs

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Hereford Wolf, Dec 29, 2008.

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  1. Hereford Wolf

    Hereford Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    I've held back on this for ages but now it's driving me mad.

    How many times does a ref give a foul against CI when he has done nothing wrong? Answer...all the time!

    Good on Chris for not reacting more, but what is wrong with these refs?

    Mrs HW thinks it is the 'tall man' syndrome...as we see with Peter Crouch when he plays. They just look awkward so the ref gives a free kick immediately.

    Tonight against Blackpool was classic - so many decisions against CI were a joke? What is wrong with these refs???
     
  2. Powelly

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    Mrs HW is correct on it being Peter crouch syndrome.. Crouch gets it all the time.. particularly at International level.

    I dont think CI gets it anywhere near as much as Crouch but it is obviously a tactic many sides at this level will use to help them get out of jail and make it easier to defend.

    The only time i think a big forward doesnt suffer with the problem with it as much is when he is up against a centre half who gives as good as they get.

    Unfortunately it is part and parcel of the modern game.. Tall forwards tend to get penalised at any level these days.
     
  3. dolmanrj

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    Tonight was an absolute joke, every time CI went up ref gave a freekick. On more than one occasion two men went up with CI and the ref still gave a free kick. Horrendous referreing tonight.
     
  4. Wolv3nsam

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    To be fair the referee probably only did that as we had a questionable penalty in the first half (though it looked one to me), after that he gave everything Blackpool's way.
     
  5. kennyB

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    To be fair Wolvensam Blackpool could easily and perhaps should have been given a penalty too.
     
  6. Wolv3nsam

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    That is also true, but you do have to admit a lot went their way quite unfairly after that incident -or so I thought.
     
  7. dolmanrj

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    Nothing fair about giving us a clear cut penalty and him penalising CI for every jump afterwards just to make amends.
     
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    The referee gave very very little to Wolves tonight. He HAD to give the penalty as the Blackpool defender had both arms around Big Chris and stopped him moving. It looked a little soft as CI decided to throw his arms in the air to try and make sure the ref had seen the foul.

    Stearman was extremely lucky to get away with that push.
     
  9. JonnyQ

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    It is getting beyond a joke now.
    In the first half he was sandwiched in between 2 players and the ref gave it against him.

    It's getting so bad that he'll stop challenging for headers.
     
  10. Black Suit

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    Both players were looking skywards, forward stopped suddenly, Stearman bumped into him (with arms out). The foul needs to be deliberate in the opinion of the Referee. Must say that we have all seen them awarded in other mateches.
     
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    Too be fair, on some of the fouls CI, had his arms over the defenders, but the large majority of times he was not fouling.

    What is needed is refs sitting with people within the game and looking at the decisions they are giving and trying to understand what is a foul and what is not
     
  12. markb

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    I disagree. Every replay I saw on telly last night showed Iwelumo fouling a blackpool player, the fk was justified. Maybe if he kept his hands to himself for a while he wouldn't get penalised so much.
     
  13. Poztin

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    What do you want him to do, a soldier jump? Was the one in the first half where he was sandwiched between their two players a foul then? Had one round the neck the other by the $$$$$$$$?

    I agree a couple were fouls but the bloke isn't allowed to challenge at all. Compare him to Vokes who does exactly the same, but because he isn't as built gets away with it.
     
  14. sy king

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    from a neutral refereeing point of view....

    Iwelumo penalty, stone wall, good grab of the shirt, pulled him to ground,

    Matt Hill one was defintely not a penalty or foul, his arms were up he didnt push him or pull his shirt

    The stearman incident, should have been a penalty IMO, and we were very lucky to have got away with it, i know he was looking for the ball in flight but he was just clumsy, he definitely pushed the player, that would be given outside the box all day long so it should be given in...

    I thought the referee had a poor game, for both teams.... theres no way SW should have been booked for the foul that the goal come from, the Referee has given it solely to get his $$$$ out of trouble for not playing advantage... ive done it myself its an easy way of getting the aggro away,
     
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    Woeful performance, just simply woeful. The best way to sum it up is to compare the fortunes of big chris and the big ungainly lump they had up front. Only once did the ref award a free kick against the blackpool lad and nine times out of ten he was backing in, eyes on the man and holding Mancienne's shirt.

    Inconsistent all the way through, yet I was relatively pleased with his '$$$$ness' when it saved Stearman from trying to give another goal away again.

    I guess it sums up your peformance as a ref when both sides are singing you're not fit to referee.
     
  16. manc_wolf

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    no it doesn't
     
  17. sy king

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    correct, how many times have you seen fouls given for Defenders and attackers running together, then theres a tangle of legs, foul gets given everytime and if he was the last man, then your off for DOGSO..
     
  18. Scarwulf

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    I agree with with markb, Iwelumo was getting pulled up for genuine fouls on Blackpool players. Peter Crouch likewise, he always puts his hands on the opponent's shoulders. The annoying thing is neither Crouch or Imelumo need to do it their physical build gives them an advantage that they shouldn't need to cheat as well. The reason Vokes doesn't get pulled up has nothing to do with his build it is because he doesn't have his hands all over the defender.
     
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    Theres a difference between having your hands on someone and fouling them. Are you saying the defenders weren't touching Iwelumo at all then because if they was then they're both doing the same. The main fouling going up for headers is a shove in the back, using another players shoulders for leverage or sticking your backside into someone preventing them from challenging for the ball. I saw little of any of that from Iwelumo. The pen was a foul because edwards was yanking him away from the ball. If having your hands on a player is a foul then im afraid we're entering into basketball territory.
     
  20. Scarwulf

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    Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear. When I say they have their hands all over the defender I mean pushing and holding, which is a foul.

    I agree the pen was a foul by Edwards.
     
  21. Poztin

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    That's fair enough but i don't see him doing any more than what the defenders are doing to him. I think it's one of those unwritten rules of football that favours defenders. It's the norm for them to outmuscle strikers, so when a brute like Iwelumo beats them at their own game the referee instantly thinks he's done something wrong.
     
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    The advantage of TV is that one has a clearer view of incidents and I am certainly of the opinion that a lot of the ball won in the air by CI last evening was won cleanly. I have to admit that while not pulled as often the Blackpool forward also suffered somewhat from the refs proclivity for giving fouls against tall men. What surprised me was the amount of lip offered by the Blackpool player and the fact that he didn't get penalised further for it (I have to admit I'm not a lip reader and he may in facty have been praising the referee). True we were lucky not to give away a penalty through Steerman (sure fire from where I sat), then Jarvis was "very subtly" taken out of it by one of there defenders in the second half for what was certainly a bookable offence.
     
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    Hand Ball, is the only offence where intent is taken into consideration.

    Stearman was lucky, anywhere else on the pitch it was a foul
     
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    Its been the same all season regarding the referreing against Iwelumo. $$$$E.
     
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    I have watched the steerman incident back two or three times and he did have his arms in front of him as they are looking in the air for the ball coming over the top, but I did not see a deliberate push. BUT if you look at it closely the little winger deliberately tips himself up by catching his standing leg with his right leg.

    I have watched it a few times now in slow montion and Steerman does not flick the wingers leg at all but he goes down as if tipped - we were very very lucky because it was done exceedingly well - but the winger should have been booked for simulation!

    I also feel sorry for Ward because I felt he was unlucky with the free kick that lead to the goal. The guy payers the ball and his follow through catches Ward and looks a foul but they were just level and there was nothing he could do.
     
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    The referee should have played an advantage when Ward fouled their player anyway.
     
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    Which is why the Blackpool fans were chanting "you're not fit to referee before we did"
     

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