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Hoddle documentary

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by WalsallWolf, Mar 15, 2015.

  1. WalsallWolf

    WalsallWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    On SS1 now. Looks good. Strangely over time I don't mind listening to him analysing football and so far he is talking well here. Be interesting to see if he touches upon his Wolves stint here though, although I doubt it!

    No matter what people think of his time here as manager, from a technical standpoint as a footballer, has this country ever produced such a player? He was sublime IMO.
     
  2. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    Really annoys me how his time here is completely overlooked by many, especially when talking about him for a vacant managers position and I expect that to be the case here.

    Personally I'd love to see him involved in the development of younger players, such as the England U21s, and helping to reform our country's youth system.

    I'm too young to remember him as a player so couldn't really comment on that but I wouldn't say there's been too much competition since I've been following England.
     
  3. Ewok vs Wolf

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    i'm too young to have seen him play but i've always liked listening to his analysis and such.
     
  4. WalsallWolf

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    Half hour to go and well into his managerial career now.

    Will confirm everything we probably already know about him on a personal level if he doesn't touch on his Wolves spell.
     
  5. clifs

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    People not old enough to remember him play have an inflated view of his abilities. He was far from an England regular, a very hit and miss player. He has a very high views of his own abilities.
     
  6. Wednesbury Wolf

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    Talks a good game and is definitely an egotist, a good player of which there have been many.
     
  7. PREM.L.L

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    Great player. Bobby Robson always said getting the ball back you could forget with Hoddle though, and him being a great player will always sadly be tainted for me because of the awful apathetic drivel he brought to my club.
     
  8. GY Wolf

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    I remember the hatred towards him by 95% of fans in 2006.. time is a great healer eh!? A great player he was though tbf, and actually find myself agreeing with a lot of what he has to say on Sky.
     
  9. GY Wolf

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    Yep.
     
  10. Ponty

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    He was a supremely talented footballer and like Scholes under-valued by England managers. The only more talented midfielder we’ve had since him was Gascoigne. As a player he was brilliant, however as a manager of Wolves he was an arrogant $$$$$ who thought he was too good for us. We’ve had some truly awful managers in my time but none come close to being as loathsome as Hoddle.
     
  11. BlahBlah

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    He had opportunities to work and wouldn't take them because they were beneath him. Has he had a "proper" job in the last 10 years?
    He ended up doing his own thing in Spain with discarded talented players to try and train them up? I assume he also would have taken a big cut of any value he added to them, not sure if he had any success.

    I think his problem at Wolves was that the players were not good enough for what he wanted, they were too seasoned and unchangeable for him to fix that, and even the ones he bought weren't good enough for him.
    I still think he could make a very good team from a group of very high level players, but hey, so could a lot of managers.
    Normally only a few get that chance but they work very hard anyway and hope for the opportunity one day.
    Hoddle just seems to hope for the opportunity and throws his hat into the ring every time a big job comes up (England?).
    He's a fantasist.
     
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    Agree with this. I see Rafa Benitez is being linked with Man City - Hoddle could do a job there, though he’d probably play Aguero and Bony on the wings!
     
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    You could just as easily be talking about Solbakken here
     
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    If he could manage a team as well as he could play in one, I think he would currently be in charge of an elite European club; unfortunately he can't.
     
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    This.
     
  17. Paul76

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    Whenever I see the name Hoddle, I think of that stupid little cockroach Rohan Ricketts.
     
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    Amybody who signs Thomas Frankowski and declares him to be 'the missing piece of the jigsaw' shouldn't be considered for any role in fotboll that involves signing players. Because they, obviously, don't have a clue.
     
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    Awesome player but as usual there are those who want to denigrate his talent Like I said awesome player
     
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    Good control, touch, passer and decent shot. Useless tackler, never tracked back and went completely missing when the going got tough. Fair-weather player in the extreme.
    In the Euro championships in Germany he was a complete liability for England.

    On his day he could be brilliant, but more often than not he was ineffective.

    As a manager similar extremes, but mostly decent apart from ourselves. As manager of Swindon he was excellent for such a club.
     
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    That wasn't the best bit.
    The best bit was when about 6 weeks later Hoddle declared that Frankowski didn't fit into the style of play, after persuading Moxey to spend the last of our money on this "missing piece".
    I'm surprised Moxey didn't have him lynched or at least, sacked on the spot.
    That would have prevented Hoddle giving those extended contracts to his brother and coaching team just before he resigned, leaving us with more severance payments that he'd deliberately engineered.
    He really treated us like crap.
     
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    Partly that was because he was playing sweeper himself !
     
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    Yes, whenever he comes on the tv now, I walk out of the room.
     
  24. Big Nosed Wolf

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    The answer to the 'technical standpoint' question is yes there have been many English players with such ability, whatever technical ability means.

    In fact a few have played for the club in the past. Peter Broadbent, Peter Knowles (and he jacked it before he could become really good) and I would add (just off the top of my head) players like Alan Sunderland, Willie Carr, Kenny Hibbitt and even Frank Munro to that for arguments sake. There are no doubt others and in the game generally certainly more.

    He had a tendency to lose out in the more 'robust' aspects of the game and is typical of the love in with some media London friendly views which elevated him above what the reality was.

    Very good player at times in the his day but his psychobabble, pretentious view on the game is tedious and never was a fit for this club which he treated with disdain, arrogance and left it in shabby state.

    But he shouldn't be solely to blame for that little episode.
     
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    Can't stand the man because of his time at Wolves.
    Even so I sometimes reluctantly find myself agreeing with some of his analysis on Sky - but there you go he always did talk a good game.
    As a player he was seemingly adored by the Spurs fans but I always felt he was a bit of a luxury player when it came to England games.
    Truly awful manager for us - and left Mick to pick up the pieces, which, fortunately, he did extremely well.
     
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    My favourite post on the old E&S board was to announce his resignation. It was just before England started their World Cup campaign in 06... perfect timing from a despicable person as well as being the worst manager we've had. And given some of the dross, that's saying something.
     
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    As a player I recall him being very good, at times but maybe not as great as sometimes made out. No doubting his ability but on more than the odd occasion he would have little influence. As Wolves manager he was a disaster.
     
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    1st July 2006- about 2 in the afternoon if I recall. I'd just got into the stadium at Schalke to watch England v Portugal in the World Cup and dancing like an idiot with a stranger who also happened to be a Wolves supporter upon hearing the news. Called my mate who was in the opposite end of the stadium, and I could see him jumping up and down at the news!

    Shame about the match, but was a pretty good day apart from that!
     
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    I saw an advertisement for this and nearly punched my TV in, incredible restraint on my part I think
     
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    Nice story. :D I think we were all dancing with delight that afternoon, although I think it is the single time I might have felt a bit sorry for Jez as he'd been dropped in it big time.
     
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    England v Portugal in the World Cup QF, the whole nation watching. Hoddle picked his perfect time to 'hide bad news', any other day it would have been a much bigger headline.
     
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    So did we get a mention for anyone who's watched it?
     
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    In a word no
     
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    One of the most gifted footballers this country has ever produced. I remember saying when he was in his prime that if he were Brazilian the press would be saying how amazing he was with no accolade being too great. We should have built the England team around him - an amazing talent. If Wolves were away from home I used to go to Spurs (only 25 mins from my home at the time) just to watch him, Villa and Ardiles play - different class. Although it will never happen I would like to see him succeed Woy as England manager as he always seems at his best working with top players and his great football brain is wasted as a pundit.
     
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    dont no who was the worst manager glenda, or saunders
     
  36. Fan in Vogelsang

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    Yet he has over 60 England caps and I can hardly recall any of his appearances being game changing in the same way Gazza managed!
     

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