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Hoddle’s team

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  1. Deutsch Wolf

    Deutsch Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Conceivably, we could field the following players against Man Utd:


    Postma, Ross, Gyepes, Anderton, Rosa, Ricketts, Frankowski.


    No longer can anyone use the excuse that this is still Dave Jones' team, Hoddle has been here a year, has had the funds to spend, has brought eight players (including the sadly crocked McNamara) in and has had the time to stamp his authority on the club.
     
  2. Oldgold Wolfcub

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    And said the squad was good enough for automatic promotion. Of course Hoddle has no excuses but that doesn't stop him.[​IMG]
     
  3. SOA Wolf

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    Does this mean you are getting tired of the same old excuses too DW?
     
  4. PREM.L.L

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    Andertons shot to s!$* but apart from that it's a good set of buys (certainly for this scrag end of a league)We should be a damn sight better than we are.


    2-1 either way sunday for me.
     
  5. Bill McCai

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    Its been Hoddles side since the start of the season IMO. He had funds available in the Summer. Its his ridiculous formation and continuing persistence in playing it that has cost us. He's the best paid manager in the league and has produced the most boring team ever to grace the Championship. Fine if we are winning, but we're not.
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    I watched a DVD of the Premiership season the other day ( not many highlights! ) and the tempo of our football was a joy to behold. Fighting, tackling, quick balls to the wide players, determination and a will to succeed. Now we play like a bunch of 62 year old lepers who've just had a lobotomy.
     
  6. fenella

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    The squad was good enough butcertain players have had a massive loss of form / motivation which Glenda has realised and is currently undergoing a rebuilding exercise. Not an ideal situation but if your big players (Oli, Seol, Kennedy, Milleretc) aren't doing it what can you do? For me, he's got until the end of next season to achieve promotion (or come very close to it) or its goodbye - but we've given him the opportunity to rebuild so there's no point in getting rid of him now when he's nearly finished.
     
  7. i think the cort injury was a big blow as well fenella.



    im backing him till the end of the season and will then reassess



    in terms of how long he has got - did you see my post about warnock?
    he's been in charge since dec 99 and got shef utd into the playoffs
    once. interesting that they have stuck by him
     
  8. Bill McCai

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    Agreed, but Hoddle isn’t playing a formation suited to this Division at the moment. I was reading an article on Chris Sutton yesterday and what a great ( season changing ) signing he is for <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on">Birmingham</st1:City> and how he never got picked for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region> after he made his disdain towards Hoddle clear.
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    There have been players like Craddock, Miller and Naylor who have publically gone out of their way to praise the new regime – but there are other stories lurking around from bigger players ( Fowler, Sutton, Sherwood ) who make it very clear Hoddle is not as great a man manager as he might have you believe.

    Could the mass loss of form you mention be down to Hoddle?

    We went on a good run at the end of last season but after dour Dave had lost the players, it was clear they would positively respond to a fresh approach. Since then, it has been blatantly obvious effort levels have dropped.
     
  9. not sure about that Bill, i guess its down to whether you think people
    can change or not? the fowler/sutton etc stuff is a few years ago now
    and surly hoddle would have learnt something from that experience?



    plus some of this could have mitigating circumstance? fowler has never
    seemed the easiest to man manage, sutton and sherwood werent really
    good enough - so maybe a case of sour grapes?



    just playing devils advocate here before i get lambasted by the entire board for views on fowler/sutton/sherwood
     
  10. Bill McCai

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    I also seem to recall there was stuff about Beckham ( something in training ) and Owen ( not a natural goalscorer )? Maybe someone could post links? I cant be bothered.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" />

    It cant all be down to an unexplainable mass loss of form throughout the ENTIRE squad ( give or take Postma, Edwards, Ince and Ross ) can it??
     
  11. fenella

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    I don't think so. I get the impression that Hoddle acts like he's a better footballer than anyone else and I think this winds up bigname players like Sherwood and Sutton who might think 'hey, I'm just as good as you were'. However, at Wolves, players like Naylor and Craddock are likely to think 'yeah, of course you are' so don't get upset.


    One of the problems Wolves have had with recruitment is that we don't stick to a consistent style of play or manager. So we play long ball under Turner who then changes the style to fancy-passing, Taylor comes in and goes back to long ball, we decide we don't like that and bring McGhee in, who goes back to fancy-passing, we then bring Jones in who goes for counter-attacking 442 and we then bring Glenda in who doesn't like that and goes back to fancy-passing. Everytime we change style the manager wants to bring in his own players to fit that style - hence the massive turnover of players.


    Instead of looking at the squad that Jones left us with and saying 'right, who is the best manager to make the most of this squad', we just picked a manager who'd done well in other posts (with completely different types of player) and said to him 'there you go, do what you can'. So Glenda decides he doesn't like the squad he's inherited because its not designed for the style he wants and he's given time and money to completely restyle it. Fine, if that's what Wolves wanted then he has to be given time. Its not what I would have done, but its been done so he must be given time.
     
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  13. hodd showing a bit of passion perhaps? i wonder if owen et al would prefer him or sven? OT i know



    i dont think the entire squad have lost form personally. i think
    injuries have taken their toll, some haave lost some form and weve had
    some others bits of bad luck. plus i dont think hodd has necessrilly
    plaayed the right formations for situations, and he should have bought
    competition for naylor and ince in the summer. so its a whole load of
    factors for me. but i also dont think the season is over - or if it is
    why is it so bloody cold in may? so lets see what happens, fingers
    crossed franky can do the business
     
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    I thought someone would say that! Obviously its all opinions, but when international players say things like that you do have to start wondering. If his mind games affect the best, I wonder what they do to <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Leon</st1:place></st1:country-region>!!</DIV>
     
  16. one more devil's advocate from me. becks vs hoddle. the battle on the
    training ground of who can do the best 50 yard pinpoint pass to feet
    perhaps. reckon there might have been a little bit of friction there
    just perhps? and i mean on both sides.
     
  17. Bill McCai

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    See what your saying but when a player ( Sherwood ) wants to take a manager to court you have to ask some questions done you?
     


  18. whoops - skim read it and missed that bit. thought you were talking about the becks quote! [​IMG]



    ive now read it - where does it say that?



    also not exactly up to date is it? december 2004

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  19. Timberwolf

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    ....but still raises pertinent points.....sadly!
     
  20. Bill McCai

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    <DIV> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,6903,1053332,00.h tml</DIV>
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    This is quite a good article, quite balanced.
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    Re Sherwood wanting to take Hoddle to court. I think I read it earlier on some random website, I'll have a look in a bit.

    I agree some of the articles regarding Hoddle are a year or two old, I think you will agree the malaise at Tottenham is not dissimilar at all to what is currently happening/in the process of occurring at Wolves ( barring a startlingly improved last 16 games! ).</DIV>
     
  21. i take your point bill on spurs. but i wonder if the reasons are the
    same? i just believe hoddle should get a fair crack of the whip - hence
    my warnock point earlier on the thread
     
  22. Bill McCai

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    <DIV>Behind only Chelsea, Tottenham were the biggest net investors in players this summer. Yet somehow Hoddle managed to buy three strikers - Helder Postiga, Freddie Kanouté and Bobby Zamora - without securing a defensive midfield player. There is not one ball-winning midfielder in the squad. The fact is, any team will struggle if Darren Anderton is the nearest thing it has to a midfield stopper. </DIV>
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  23. well - at least we are not where we are and behind only chelsea in investment terms![​IMG]
     
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    There is not one ball-winning midfielder in the squad. The fact is, any team will struggle if Darren Anderton is the nearest thing it has to a midfield stopper.





    Yep, he learns from past mistakes.








    Edit: Just noticed Bill has highlighted the same passage. Sorry.Edited by: Markwolf
     
  25. fenella

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    What makes me laugh (or cry) about the two newspaper articles is that they're both pretty damning about Glenda's record as a manger and talk like his managerial career is over, and yet, shortly after they were written, Wolves offered him 500 grand for 6 months work. He must have been surprised.
     
  26. SOA Wolf

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  27. Notty Wolf

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    I watched the Jimmy Hill Sunday Supplement thingy on Sky about the time that Hoddle was after/ applied for the France job - so absolutely agree!I was gob smacked about Wolves offer to Hoddle and the amount involved - just another crazy figure in the world of football these days imv! Could have understood a figure that was target driven up to £500k But is Hoddle really worth 1m per annum plus bonuses?
     
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    I remember listening to 5Live last year when 'Spoony', of all people, said that he'd spoken to players who played under Hoddle for England.

    He said that for as many there were that didn't get on with him, there are as many who still say that he is the best manager they've ever worked for. I seem to remember Owen and Sheringham being two that were mentioned.
     
  29. Notty Wolf

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    The journalists on the Jimmy Hill thingy said that Hoddle had "no friends left down saaaarf" and hence they thought he wanted out of the UK to go abroad - Maybe something?
     
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