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Has KJ got it right for HOME games?

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  1. bigbadwolftoo

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    Has Kenny got the game plan right for homes games?

    The 'bad' Nov period apart, we seem to have a decent AWAY gameplan that works pretty well. Out of that period we have only lost to Rotherham away; when we should have won!

    At home a different story it appears to me, when everything is more out of place than it should be. We find it more difficult to cope with the parked bus or raise the tempo or take the initiative as we should be able as the home team. Few games seem to go to plan.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Ewok vs Wolf

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    Agree
    Quite solid away from home - especially since Price has come into the team. We have pace on the counter.
    At home its up to the home team to break the opposition down, the tempo is far too slow and we lack creativity and idea.
     
  3. Hrothgar

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    Perhaps its partly because our system is kinda set up to rely mostly on counter-attack football based around just one pacy striker which is a system more suitable for an away team?
     
  4. bigbadwolftoo

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    Agree.
     
  5. JOSWolf

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    Our central midfield is far too deep. Edwards has done well but lacks creativity needed in the no 10 role. Henry cant play on the left.
    These are major issues in the home games.
     
  6. bigbadwolftoo

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    Agree. Should we have a more expansive home game plan in that case?
     
  7. bigbadwolftoo

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    Agree with this. How do we change it though? Do you think KJ is likley to change it?

    Henry isn't thje player to open defences up. But from his games away he is very useful for the 'get out' ball, holding the ball for others to get forward and can actually shoot too. He has some good games more so away from home; had a very good game at Blackburn for example.
     
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    Why not mix it up and play 4-1-4-1, effectively two teams of five? Wouldn't work all the time, but would certainly give us more of a chance of breaking down the likes of Charlton.
     
  9. GAWAZZ

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    I went and watched Man Utd the other week against Stoke and they played 4-1-3-2, don't think we have the players to do it but at least the manager was trying something different, (Not that I want KJ to leave, I want him to evolve his systems)
     
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    It's not game plan its personnel. It's no coincidence Sako creates so many of our goals and also no coincidence they dry up without him.

    Our system almost alleviates Edwards of responsibility for finding the killer ball because he simply isn't capable of it so quite correctly you are seeing him exploiting space mostly away but also at home when the game is stretched. The problem is when teams park the bus and sit deep and you need a little bit of magic or a set piece - again, without Sako's occasional killer delivery this leaves us creating nothing.

    Whether Kmac is or isn't capable of unlocking the doors further forward is a moot point because when you try and break up the Price-KMac axis up teams run through us at will so pushing him further forward is a non-starter.

    Dicko is a willing and intelligent runner - a player with a little more guile than Edwards would rectify the problem slightly but you are always going to see a team better suited to counter attacking under Jackett, which is fine by me.
     
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    Not only has KJ got it wrong at home the whole Molineux experience is wrong. The stadium is a atmosphereless lopsided library and the powers that be need to do all they can to make the place buzz again and make it an enjoyable affordable experience. Get the masses of working class people back and do all you can to get youngsters in and addicted to the club. KJ and the team need to get entertainment back on the agenda rather than the drosd that is continually served up at home. Give me an away fixture any day
     
  12. Sedgley Gold N Black

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    We've really struggled to break down the teams that put 10 men behind the ball.

    In our system the number 10 is the key at providing that creativity that unpicks the lock v these teams that gives you the vital first which can open the flood gates. It's been compounded by the loss of our key creator and the player who can score a goal from nothing.

    I don't think it's the system it's just we're lacking the players, Sako would make a huge difference in our ability to get that important first goal and we really need someone in the number 10 position who can open teams up.
     
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    Looking at Bristol City today Freeman is doing what a no 10 should do. Yes Edwards has scored a few goals but his all round game just isn't good enough.
    We need a new no 10, in my opinion.
     
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    We did that away at Sheffield United last year where McDonald played behind Evans and Edwards. Worked quite well there but think it would need somebody who is able to carry the ball at pace from the centre (possibly Lingard?).

    It's tough as you almost want two different number 10's for different types of game.
     
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    Absolutely so yes! But ( it seems clear) we simply dont have the personnel at present to be able to provide one. Im not entirely sure why that is but suspect the key is probably in central midfield or more attack- minded full backs perhaps?
     
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    Comparatively, we've got the 7th best home record, with the 9th best away record. So yes, I think Jackett's got it right at home.
     
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    Re the OP, no I don't think KJ has it right at all.

    Away from home I'd say he has pretty much got it spot on but at home things are not right. Things don't seem to click or flow.

    Whilst the team are currently in a decent run I have to say that far too many of the games are somewhat turgid to watch. Yes I want to see Wolves win but I also like to be entertained. I know and accept that the opposition etc will sometimes have an effect on how things go but after yesterday I just felt as though I wasted my time and money whilst thinking on the way home how I hadn't really enjoyed the game at all.
     
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    That's exactly what you need in this system with it being such a key position.

    You've got the type like Pritchard or Freeman who create, can score and can work it tight spaces who's usually be your primary no.10 then you have an option like Edwards on the bench who provides more energy, will defend from further up the pitch and benefit more from the game being stretched.

    Ideally you'd probably have another player who probably plays a different position but can fill in for the primary no.10 providing the creativity of needs be.
     
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    Get the bloody Tempo up! You can't beat teams who sit back by passing it sideways along their "Frontline". Get the passing faster and the ball moving, gaps open up if we've got movement as well.
     
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    It's what Jacobs did last season. Unfortunately Jacobs hasn't kicked on this season, for whatever reason.
     
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    Exactly PLL and I'd be amazed if KJ didn't know this.

    Is it a lack of confidence in his own squad or just that he isn't adventurous enough?
     
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    Based on your comment KJ has got it right at home and then we continue with that record we will finish outside the top six, to that end I think he has NOT got it right at home.
    After all KJS said himself promotion is his objective this season
     
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    Surely at home play Edwards with macca if this Utd lad is signing for the no10 role so only macca sits deep at home as opposed to 2
     
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    From comments most suggest our low Tempo at home is a major weakness, while decent for away games. I agree with this, but why is it we can't do 'High Tempo' at home?

    KJ gameplan?
    Certain Players abilities?
    Player attitude?
    Lack of certain player types/attributes?
    other?
    Crowd support?

    Something is missing. KJ wants promotion, so ambition ain't it (listen to BBC WM question session with KJ)
     
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    Edwards is poor in central midfield. Too limited.
     
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    He's a bit of an enigma, our Dave. He pops up with some vital goals over the last few weeks, but his actual contribution and positive work behind the striker is so desperately limited at times.

    We're missing a proper Defensive Midfielder who can drive forward with the ball. I don't know what's happened to K Mac, but he seems to lack dynamism at this level. With the inclusion of Jack Price, we have no driving force at all. It's all very one dimensional in a sense of all our attacking impetus is built from the wings. I've got no issue with this, it can be effective, but with an inconsistent Van la Parra, Henry and you can probably include Sako in there, it cannot be our only way.

    Someone needs to impact in the DM role, either from outside the club or within. Here's a wildcard; Iorfa. Strong in a tackle, good on the ball and quick.
     
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    KJ game plan, you would think we are playing at home to Barcelona every week
     
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    I agree to some extent, but think that there are some other factors. As mentioned, KJ in his WM interview mentioned promotion and getting forward where it could hurt the opposition, but we ain't delivering it. Some contradictions in statements and the way we actually play.
    Sako actually going for it, would help no end, but the majortiy of times he seemed more interested in his own cameos rather than doing it for the team.

    Perhaps we are just too cautious?
     
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    Tomlin for Boro as well. People get a bit girly over Edwards because he scores in consecutive games, but his goal return compares poorly with the Boro man.

    The reason we sometimes rave about Edwards is because he does occasionally what other no 10s do as standard. There's a kind of overreaction when he actually does something good, because it contrasts with his general ineffectuality.
     
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    Not sure too many rave about our Dave! He does score occaissionally, which is quite rare for our midfielders! He has six times the goals from our central midfielder total of goals (6 v 1 from Lee Evans). We just don't score many, so any gratefully received!
     
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    It's interesting that you mention Barca. It's us that are in fact like them!

    We are dictating and controlling much of the play but the opposition sit off us and crowd out the final third. Our slow transitioning of the ball through the centre and the absence any creative quality from Dave is impacting on us and that isn't helping our ability to break through.

    What really would help us at home is an early goal as that would open up the game and allow us the 'room' that suits our team as it is currently.
     
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    KJs record at home isn't that dissimilar to the clubs around us its that it hasn't been very entertaining to watch with very few goals for us to celebrate. our style is more like Hoddle played which irritated us supporters. part of going to watch a match is to be excited by the play but we haven't got players good enough to provide that and be successful. our team without Sako is functional only. Dicko and Sako together give us the excitement when they play together. the chances are with Sako yesterday we would have got the points with his pace, power, shooting and passing ability. we really do need to sort out a suitable contract for him as soon as possible.
     
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    Interesting that both ourselves and Watford have played the same opposition in the last 2 weeks.We have laboured to score 2 goals with very few shots on target and yet Watford have scored 12.
    We have to go back to October to match that total-14 games ago which is pathetic really(and yes I know we have accrued 17 points from our last 7 games)
     
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    I have mentioned this before.Under Bill McGarry ,when we kicked off we played it back to Mike Bailey and we drilled the ball out for a throw right by the opposition corner flag.The opposition had to turn and retreat 50 yards and we pushed up and put pressure on.
    Today when we kick off we play it back and then just hit it downfield and say 'Here ,you have it'.They are under no pressure and can retain their shape.I get so frustrated when half time rolls round and despite our pressure we have had next to no shots on target.
    It may only be a small point but why can't we try something a bit different instead of doing the same thing every game?The opposition scout each other and know what to expect from us.
     
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    That is an absolutely horrific stat. Thought yesterday was a real chance to do some positive damage to our GD as well. Whilst I'd be happy with 1-0 wins from every game from now until the end of the season, we have to score more goals. And when we do go one up, let's not rest on our laurels.
     
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    We simply have no attacking threat down the middle, not one of them can shoot from 20 yards let alone create anything. I'd love to see the touch map of some of our players.

    We pass the ball but we don't link up or have any fluid movement with it, we are boringly rigid & predictable.
     
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    The game was crying out for someone to grab hold of the ball and run at them down the middle
     
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    Comments are suggesting attacking and shootting from the middle of midfield are lacking.

    Question: Is this due to the players ability, attitude or the gameplan? Or a bit of all or something else.

    My own view is the gameplan is mainly to blame, although the ability to shoot does concern me too.
     
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    Agree

    Our central midfield is too deep especially if the opposition have fast strikers, because they want to protect Baath who can be caught out by this tpye of player. As a result Edwards drops deeper and the result is that Dicko or Afobe on Sat was totally isolated.

    This makes us mush easier to play against
     

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