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God's footballer (a different one), Mick McCarthy, and vague reminiscences

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by lycophilos, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:05 AM.

  1. lycophilos

    lycophilos Well-Known Member

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    Sadly I cannot claim to be a Wolves fan, but as a fervent admirer of your team at present, I am trying to claim some links to Wolves. I can only think of two rather distant ones.

    I am a volunteer at the London Wetland Centre, and a fellow volunteer comes originally from Ipswich, and is a very loyal I.Town fan of very long standing. He told me something which I hadn’t realised, that Derek Jefferson transferred from Ipswich to Wolves.

    I saw Jefferson play for Ipswich at least twice. He had a fearsome reputation, well-deserved by most accounts, similar to that of Ron “Chopper” Harris of Chelsea and Norman “Bites yer Legs” Hunter of Leeds. (My Ipswich friend thinks that in Jefferson’s case his ferocity might have been exacerbated by his poor eyesight!)

    Years later, I met Derek at the annual Christian Resources Exhibition at Sandown Park Racecourse. He had a stand which advertised the football coaching scheme he founded and runs, which combines coaching with (low-key) Christian evangelism. I found him to be a delightful person, charming and humorous.

    I had read previously about Derek becoming a committed Christian – and about the tragic death of his daughter, and other sad events in his life. So it was so good to see that he had turned his life round.

    My only other vague link with your illustrious club, was that I once had the privilege of shaking Mick McCarthy’s hand at a petrol station in Deptford, SE London.

    I was a vicar in the area. The neighbouring parish had as its vicar Fr. Owen Beament, who was, and is, also the Chaplain of Millwall (he retires later this year) – a task he undertook with great joy as he is a massive Millwall fan. He knew Mick, as McCarthy was the Millwall manager at that time.

    I had watched Millwall play earlier that season – my only visit to the New Den. Millwall had won thanks to a goal by the delightfully named Uwe Fuchs, and as a result had gone top in what today would be called the Championship. But things started to go wrong, and by the New Year Millwall were on a bad run of form. While filling up at the petrol station I found Mick McCarthy at the very next pump. As we had an acquaintance in common, I had the temerity to introduce myself, and have a brief chat. I shook his hand, and thinking to encourage him, said “you’ll be alright”.

    I’m a (now retired) Christian minister, but I have never claimed to have a hot line to the Almighty – so I hope Mick didn’t take it as a message from “above”! In any case he resigned shortly after to take the Ireland job.

    Millwall weren’t alright. They plummeted down the table and were relegated.

    Incidentally, my Ipswich friend agrees that Mick McCarthy has probably been instrumental in keeping them up in the Championship the last few years. However, he also says that over this time the football has been absolutely dire to watch.

    I’m wondering what he makes of Paul Lambert.
     
  2. John de Wolf's hairdryer

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    The 'absolutely dire to watch' epithet in relation to Mick McCarthy's teams sounds depressingly familiar. It always amazed me that the club that provided the launchpad for Alf Ramsey and Bobby Robson to reveal their managerial talents plumped for McCarthy. Maybe Ipswich's finances were already in the dumpster at that time and the objective was just keeping them treading water in the Championship? The present must be a grim time to be an ITFC fan - they haven't played down in the third tier since the beginning of the 'Sixties, so their current predicament will be hitting hard.
     
  3. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    I think a lot of people associate Mick McCarthy's brand of football to Tony Pulis-ball's game, yet when I reflect I feel this is unfair.
    Yes his game was full of energy, which burnt out class players like Kevin Doyle, but I don't recall his brand of football as being dour.

    Perhaps his methodology and strategies were prehistoic, but there was more to him that that.

    His time came, as it always seems to come where Mick was involved, but he is a very good man who i will always be grateful to, yet pleased we are no longer playing that way under him.
     
  4. hankin

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    I remember Derek - he wasn't the best centre half to grace our colours! I recall that he was blind as a bat too so this might account for some of his poor tackles! However, when I asked for his autograph when he came back to Molineux with Hereford he was indeed a very friendly chap.
     
  5. brightside

    brightside Just doesn't shut up

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    We get it, you don’t like Mick.
    They went for him because they were bottom of the league and didn’t have a pot to **** in. He did a great job on peanuts for 6 years there. A section of there ignorant fans got there wish this summer and look at them now, bottom of the league. Good.
    Be interesting to see what Pep, Klopp or Nuno would have done under those conditions.
     
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    Glory hunter?
     
  7. Stafford

    Stafford Has a lot to say

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    The football in that Championship winning season was awful. Absolute dire. One of my least favorite games was Forest at home.
     
  8. WolfInSheep'sClothing

    WolfInSheep'sClothing Well-Known Member

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    That goal Jones scored against Tottenham was ****e too. HOOOF.
     
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  9. SA Wolf

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    I too remember Derek Jefferson as a limited centre half. If he had poor eyesight, that probably explains a lot!

    As for Ipswich, McCarthy did wonders on relatively unknowns and free transfers as finances were non-existant. Ipswich was bottom of the league and "certs" for relegation when he was appointed and for several season he had them in and around the play-offs. Now, post McCarthy, Ipswich is back in the relegation zone and if they are relegated, they'll have no sympathy from me. "Be careful what you wish for" is a familiar refrain.
     
  10. SA Wolf

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    I love irony. :)
     
  11. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

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    Derek Jefferson was a wing half but occasionally he played centre half in the absence of Frank Munro.
    We played one night game away from home and he missed header after header .When the players came off at the end one of the team asked him what was wrong and he said he had left his contract lenses at the team hotel but was too frightened to tell Bill McGarry because he would have gone ballistic.
     
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    Is this meant to be ironic? I have to presume so! So are the "Likes " ironic too?I remember some wonderful fast, open football being played and I seem to recall a 5-1 absolute dismantling of Forest in one of the best games I had seen Wolves play in many, many years. As Reanswolf says, McCarthy is remembered unfairly by some people. I won't go back over what he did for the team and the club but I will say anyone who was at the Notts Forest game in our promotion year will recall a first half of dizzying speed and skill that saw us 4-0 up at half time (as I recall) and Forest totally dazed and mesmerised by the sheer whirlwind that hit them. Wonderful, exciting football from a Mccarthy. By the way "glory hunter?" is rather an unkind comment in response to a lovely post.
     
  13. WolfInSheep'sClothing

    WolfInSheep'sClothing Well-Known Member

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    It is meant to be ironic mate.
     
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    Correction, penultimate line: "from a McCarthy team"
     
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    The signing of Derek Jefferson by Bill McGarry tells you everything about his ability in the transfer window. After having him at Ipswich he would have been better leaving him there.
     
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    Yes, I understood that it had to be, but since one of the Likes of it came from John de Wolf, who had written originally about " dire football", it needed to be pointed out that the Notts Forest game was the opposite of dire football.
     
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    Tojo the grass Senior Member

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    What on earth was Kightly playing at in that Forest game? Bloody clogger...
     
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    Really???...I hate it.Along with most other household chores.
     
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    HowfenWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    0-0 at Everton was enough for me. Never had a shot on goal & rarely crossed the half way line, but the guys all put a shift in according to mick. If you'd taken someone to their first game, they probably wouldn't watch football again. DROSS
     
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    From what I recall Ipswich only sold Jefferson to us because they had a promising kid lined up to take his place - a certain Kevin Beattie (recently deceased).
     
  21. lycophilos

    lycophilos Well-Known Member

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    Trying not to be! That's precisely why I don't claim to be a Wolves fan.

    As I've posted elsewhere, I'm actually a fan (and tiny part-owner) of AFC Wimbledon.

    Actually, developing a love for Wolves (hence "Lycophilos") has now given me two teams to worry about. My last few weekends have been depressing, football wise, in the extreme. Not only have Wolves had 3 defeats in a row, but AFC have had 8, and look increasingly likely to be relegated (6 points at least off safety at present). And now we have a televised away cup-tie against non-league opponents, which is not only a distraction, but is a no-win situation as far as team morale is concerned. Even worse, MK so-called Dons are riding high in League 2.
     
  22. lycophilos

    lycophilos Well-Known Member

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    Yes. In fact Derek Jefferson's name came up when we were talking about Kevin Beattie's death. My Ipswich friend thinks, probably rightly, that Beattie was the best player Ipswich ever had.
     
  23. SA Wolf

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    :p
     
  24. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    I have fond memories of the Mick McCarthy era, the year we went up under Mick was a superb season
     
  25. John de Wolf's hairdryer

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    Am I not allowed to appreciate irony?

    I acknowledge there were times when McCarthy got the team playing decent football - away to WHU in our first season back in the Prem in particular springs to mind - but these occasions were, in my recollection, mostly instances of oases in the desert. Even in the promotion season we weren't particularly close to putting on the kind of showings Nuno treated us to last season.
     
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  26. Wolves in Bucharest

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    I have heard fellow Irish fans comment on our glory years that it would have been better if Mick had the team Jack Charlton had and Jack had the players available to Mick. Yes, Mick played for a result, but when he had confidence in the players available to him, he would have them play delightful football. Jack though had the blessing of not alone being a good manager but also a lucky one.
     
  27. Rhoswolf

    Rhoswolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Jefferson was a major disappointment, or to put it more succinctly ****.
     
  28. cookey

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    Derek is the one player in 50 years of attending Wolves matches that I can honestly remember giving me nightmares, as I remember he ALWAYS made at least one BIG clock-up every match and the vast majority of them led directly to a goal - so younger fans can understand what I mean Stearman was World Class in comparison!!!
     
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    Bloody hell ... with that recent track record ... ever considered that you’re following the wrong god? :D
     
  30. lycophilos

    lycophilos Well-Known Member

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    Well we've just beaten Haringey Borough (who?) in the FA Cup, with a deflected goal in the 90th minute!:D:D:D
     
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    Nice one! You’re on the right path then ar kid :)
     
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    Chopper Jefferson , blind as a bat !
     

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