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Glen and Arsenal - ’Special’ Relationship

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Hereford Wolf, Nov 29, 2005.

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  1. Hereford Wolf

    Hereford Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    So - whatever happened to all this nonsense banded around at the start of the season about the Wolves & Arsenal managers special relationship?


    Weren't we supposed to be having all these talented Arsenal reserves on loan ?


    Talking about loans - doesn't Glen have any Premiership contacts anymore ? There must be 100's of good young players who need a few games under their belts. Why do we just have one ? And look how good he is ! There must be more....


    Questions...questions.....
     
  2. Stan Cutlass

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    No



    No
     
  3. We don't have just one. Postma is on loan too...and Maurice Ross too...[​IMG]
     
  4. Hereford Wolf

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    Ah...I see..[​IMG]
     
  5. Hereford Wolf

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    Ah..thats OK then ! [​IMG]
     
  6. SOA Wolf

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    Well you see Hereford all the Hoddle fans were laughingly telling us that Hoddle had all these great contacts last year and he would be able to attract great players to the club......ffs he couldn't even convince Carlton Cole and Kevin Campbell.....wow, the respect he mustcommand in the game is almost terrifying.
     
  7. Essex Wolf

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    SOA, lets not forget though that GH may have the contacts? and may well have had player(s) lined up but if certain folk block the move, as was mentioned re Robbie Keane joining us on another thread recently, then what can he do?
     
  8. Mutchy

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    It would be nice if you stopped belittling everyone who thought Hoddle would do well every time you make a point. If you are right in what you say it will stand up on its own without the digs...
     
  9. AndyP

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    Think you should change that to ...


    "ffs he couldnt even convince Chelsea and the s!$* to give us their players" why not add Fulham while you're at it?


    Colecouldnt come here because of Drogba going to the Afican Nations Cup.
     
  10. Del Woppio

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    can we open a "no matter what goes wrong i will blame Glenn" forum?
     
  11. Bill McCai

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    </DIV>
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    Surely Hoddle would have been given assurances he'd be backed when negotiating his contract? Or he wouldn’t have signed would he!?
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    And using the 'Robbie Keane back at Wolves' rumour to 'back up' your opinion is farcical!!</DIV>
     
  12. SOA Wolf

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    Well who do you blame....? The Fans? Don't forget both he and Moxey have done that.
     
  13. Blackstrobe

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    Is Hoddle the first manager in history who when given the fullbacking of the board has elected to not spend any money in the transfer market? Why would he take that chance. If i was a manager id want my team to be as strong as possible at the start of the season!!


    Theres deffo been some funny goings on if you ask me.
     
  14. Bill McCai

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    </DIV>
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    Because he thought ( and said ) the current squad was good enough. Hence 'the icing on the cake' comment? Yes, he pursued Idiakez, but had no real second target until Anderton became available. We bid £2m for Rasiak, but he signed for Spurs ( no real surprise there! ), so money was available. He also beat other sides to the signatures of McNamara and Ricketts. He failed to sign a back up for Naylor and Paul Ince. Even so, I'd still wager we'd be better off ( points wise ) if we played a formation that our players could actually understand.</DIV>
     
  15. fenella

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    I think Glenda's special relationship with Wenger is similar to Dave Jones' special relationship with Latvia.
     
  16. Essex Wolf

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    BM, I was using it as an example and nothing else. I don't doubt for a second he wouldn't havejoined us but the scenario as to why is one I believe is very likely at Molineux.
     
  17. SOA Wolf

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    So how come you were not so quick to stop people on here calling anyone who pointed out what was obvious to them in the summer, pantwetters, etc....that was only stopped when posts were by certain posters asking for it to cease.


    Now that the predictions are coming to fruition it seems that some are a might sensitive....reeks of being able to dish it out but not being able to take it.


    ....it is still going on that whenever someone like me posts a comment about how clearly we see things are going wrong we are still accused of being in someway 'disloyal' and negative, when the fact is we are asking for people to become involved by voicing their dissatisfaction at the failure to deliver a reasonable product for the price that is being charged by the club.


    I will put my record of attendances, miles travelled...both home and away against anyone on this message board and I have always given 100% support at matches....yet I am supposed to accept watching the club I care about being made a laughing stock by highly paid so-called professionals and then being attacked by posters for pointing out what is clearly obvious to me and many others....if you are happy with our current position and the manner in which the club has progressed over the past 12 months, then fine....I find that alarming. The major issue, and that which it appears to me that Hoddle and Moxey are depending on is APATHY, it protects them from expectation and therefore criticism, it isthe biggest curse we could have and it is spreading through the supporters like wildfire...those that continue to accept the bilge that is currently being turned out by the club are only helping to accelerate that IMHO and so I do feel it is necessary to point out to them that they need to get more fired up and fight for our club......before it is too late
     
  18. Del Woppio

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    who do i blame for what? it seems to me that whatever makes you unhappy is directly the fault of Glenn. I'm not saying he is perfect. He is a decent manager. He earns more than he deserves. He appears to be a bit shortsighted in the transfer market(but we will never know for sure who he has targetted) he has improved some players. he has made the team play very fluid, exciting and chance laden football (at times). he has made us play soem boring, boring football (at times). There are many things wrong/that go wrong at Wolves. There are many different people to blame (obvisiously dependant on what the problem is). It is not always Glenn. It isnot alwaysthe fans. it is not always moxey. it is not always the board. Just for a laugh, why don't you try attactching the blame to the party at fault, and not just Glenn as a knee-jerk reaction.
     
  19. Mutchy

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    Its every post with you lately though SOA. I'm not arguing against what you are saying, but I think you do yourself an injustice by doing it the way you are. Folks will just read your posts as an attack rather than taking note of the real substance of them, ie you are in danger of alienating the people you want to convert even before you start.
     
  20. SOA Wolf

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    Del, ever heard the phrase 'the buck stops here' it is something that is used by effective, goodbosses in all professions when they are REALLY good....in this country we have a huge section of management that passes the buck to everyone and anyone but themselves.


    I do not disagree that there are sometimes other factors, put perhaps you would like to fine me the quotes.....sorry the QUOTE (even one) where Glenn admits to getting ANYTHING wrong....at the end of the day (sorry) HE picks the team, HE coaches the team, HE is responsible for the players coming in, etc etc...if he felt our squad was not good enough he should ahve strengthened, if it was then we should be doing better, if players are underperforming he should deal with it....he should stop blaming everything else, players, pitch, facilities, injuries, supporters, luck etc etc.


    When he DOES take responsibility maybe I will get off his back, until then consider me as a balance to the cr*p he comes out with.
     
  21. SOA Wolf

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    Then that is fine Mutchy, would rather get them wound up and caring than the malaise which is sweeping over the supporters right now. I have a thick skin, so it does not worry me what people think of me...but I do care about my club....if they get angry at least they are thinking about it and that matters more to me than supporting something that I feel is wrong and people just accepting it.
     
  22. basher

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    I'm wondering if Essex has morphed into SOA???


    There are striking parallels between the anti-DJ rants of 12-18 months ago and SOA's Hoddle rants!!!
     
  23. Blackstrobe

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    Mutchy, In my opinion there are posters who are far more attacking in the nature of their posts than SOA is!
     
  24. SOA Wolf

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    It has taken me ages to cut and paste all those old Essex posts and ensure I have changed DJ to Hoddle in each one.[​IMG]
     
  25. SOA Wolf

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    Thanks Blackstrobe and I would say that if anyone takes a personal affront to what I say...and I mean to them personally, first I will apologise now, but they are always welcome to pm me and I will happily discuss this with them one to one if they prefer (and no I am not talking about meeting in a car park or any such guff...just talking)
     
  26. Mutchy

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    Rubbish, he's the worst by far![​IMG][​IMG]
     
  27. Del Woppio

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  28. Sheriff Woody

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    Aah the unmistakable stench of disgruntled Wolves fans. A week and a bit ago you were all saying how we've turned the corner after the Derby win now you're all suicidal again. It's like as if when Wolves drop out of the play-off spots you all start whingeing. 'Nobody's good enough, so and so's doing this and that wrong'............how predictably dull.
     
  29. basher

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    Sherriff


    It's called "Molineux Mince Meltdown" or MMM.


    A recognised medical condition.
     
  30. Blackstrobe

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    Its not the points situation thats causing me to completely lose faith in wolves this season its the level of performance that we're consistently seeing. If you guys are happy with how we've been playing then thats fair enough. However, im not happy with it. We were awful against southampton when we should have had our tails up on the back of two wins and a draw against the top team!


    Do you realise they charge £27 a game for none season ticket holders!! No wonder the crowds are down. When you consider £27 for the 90 minutes of drivel we've been repeatedly seeing then small wonder people are constantly complaining about it and in my opinion we have a right to.


    How anybody can be happy with whats goin on at the mol these days is beyond me.
     
  31. Sheriff Woody

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    Simple really if you don't like what you see don't go or don't renew your season tickets, the only problem with that theory is somebody else will most probably replace you. It doesn't make you any less of a man or woman for that matter. People complain about it not being their club anymore and being taken for a ride but you keep paying the money and so do I.


    Until twenty odd thousand people turn their backs and stop believing the spin and hype from the powers thatbethe club can afford to charge as much as they like.Football clubs up and down the country have been holding fans to ransom for years, it's not just Wolves. To put things into perspective look at Forest, just as big, much more successful in the last 30 years nowlanguishing in the 2nd division. I know where I'd rather be.


    Bleating and moaning about performances on a discussions forum, saying the same things over and over and over again, 'I pay my money, blah, blah', 'Moxey ate my kids', 'Hoddle is a devil worshipper because he's not bought half of Arsenal's youth team and persuaded Pele and Beckenbauer to come out of retirement', 'The club made me buy a replica shirt I don't likewith thename and number of a player I despise and it cost me four months wages', 'This kind of thing never happened when Bully was here' is going to achieve nothing.


    How about we go for some completely alien phenomenon to lots of Wolves fans and actually support the team..........no don't be silly!





    Edited by: Sheriff Woody
     
  32. Axle

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    Think you might be missing the point there Woody. the very reason that people moan about the club means that they care about it and are passionate about the team that they support. It's not really about the money either; I know that I cared about the club as much as when I paid £4 to stand on the South Bank as when I pay £25 these days.


    If, for example 'bleating on a discussion forum' won't do anything, then why did you take the time to construct an eloquent, reasoned argument? It's kind of denying the existence of God while going to church don't you think?Edited by: Axle
     
  33. IMAB

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    Condesending *****
     
  34. Sheriff Woody

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    Yep, but I'm not complaining about the club or people who pass comment and make interesting or factual comments. I do get bored of certain posters basically saying the same drivel over and over again making it sound like they're about commit suicide because the club has not delivered again. There is always someone to blame and always something not quite right, perhaps those people need to re-evaluate the club and it's ambitions, are they really sucked in that much by what a Chief Exec says, he's trying to sell a product why should he say that we are going to finish mid table and not buy anybody of any talent whatsoever.
     
  35. Sheriff Woody

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    IMAB - Condesending, have you been reading the Guardian to have picked up such a large word? Clearly you are bereft of any kind of intelligence or ability to make a constructive comment and are reduced to insulting people because you have nothing of any interest to add to any discussion regardless of whether it is about Wolves or not.


    It never ceases to amaze me howodd and tedious you are....see it is possible to pass comment without reducing a discussion to a volley of swear words.
     
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    Obious little c*!$! aren't you?


    It never ceases to amaze me how you hang around this message board complaining people aren't happy and accusing them of not supporting the club when they voice their displeasure.


    Why don't you follow your own advice and stop posting, there are plenty of people ready to take your place.
     
  37. wolfie smith

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    SOAareyou saying that ifwe dont persistently moan about the way things are going at the momentwe dont care or give a s!$* about the club as that is how it sounds to me. seeing as you care more about the club than anyone, why dont you start a hoddle out protest outside the ground right now, go on, dont you care enough[​IMG]
     
  38. Jim Bowen

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    M Almunia, E Eboue, S Larsson, P Senderos, K Gilbert, F Muamba, J Djourou, M Flamini, J Reyes, Q Owusu-Abeyie, R Van Persie (63 A Lupoli)
    Subs: P Cygan, M Poom, N Bendtner, M Connolly, A Lupoli

    That's the Arsenal team tonight and are currently beating Reading 3-0, surely we could get players like Larsson, Gilbert, Muamba, Djoura and Lupoli. Admittedly I haven't seen much of these but they always seem to do well in the Carling cup. But obviously their relationship isn't as good as people made out.Edited by: Jim Bowen
     
  39. SOA Wolf

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    Sheriff Woody...you said that it was only a week or so back that we were all happy because we had won a few games....wrong...many of us remained true to our conviction that these were merely blips in a poor season and proved nothing.


    You then say:


    Simple really if you don't like what you see don't go or don't renew your season tickets, the only problem with that theory is somebody else will most probably replace you.


    If you believe this then you are blind...gates are falling, no one is replacing the 3000 that did not renew...or has that 'fact' passed you by. Anyway, why should I be forced out of watching my club by thefailures of any paid employee...if you have that attitude and would do so in a situation that you disagree with it PROVES that I am a more loyal fan, as I do not intend to let the transient employees make a mess of my club and I intend to fight for it...sounds like you would just give up....


    And then we get to the very point I have been making...this comment


    How about we go for some completely alien phenomenon to lots of Wolves fans and actually support the team..........no don't be silly!


    Utterly pathetic....I do support the team, I don't support Hoddle and the mess he is making of it....you on the other hand support a bunch of individuals...who are merely employees....if you cannot see the difference then there is little point in responding to my posts.


    To back up the fact you cannot have read many of my posts you say:


    Yep, but I'm not complaining about the club or people who pass comment and make interesting or factual comments.


    The majority of my posts are backed up with statistics and quotes...however it is interesting that when I do this...i.e. put in facts, I get comments such as 'you can make statistics prove anything' or ' I'm sure what Hoddle meant was..' it seems that very few of the pre-Hoddle and pro - Moxey brigade are the ones who are able to put together their own coherent fact based arguments, instead they tend to re-hash the spin put out by the club.


    My understanding of a forum is that these matters are for discussion....so when Hoddle and Moxey continually churn out nonsense, which they have done in great numbers over the past couple of weeks, then posters, like myself, respond....especially when a few on here quote the same nonsense as if it the ultimate truth....it is called having a balanced forum.


    As you say if you do not like something stay away....that is your argument, not mine...if you truly are fed up of what is written, take your own advice and stay away....no one forces you to come on here.


    Wolfie, you said:


    SOAareyou saying that ifwe dont persistently moan about the way things are going at the momentwe dont care or give a s!$* about the club as that is how it sounds to me. seeing as you care more about the club than anyone, why dont you start a hoddle out protest outside the ground right now, go on, dont you care enough


    If you read the whole of my post you will see that I was merely saying that if you take offence at the inference that by moaning we must care more, then that is how those of us feel when people, such as Woody has done here, makes the comment that anyone who moans is not a 'real fan'. It hurts doesn't it, to have your loyalty questioned and to be made to feel as if you do not care when you do.


    I have posted here before saying that I believe anyone who takes time to post on here must be pretty fanatical, especially when added to the time that they spend at matches....personally I do not doubt the loyalty of any supporter here, but to suggest that showing discontent with the current regime means I am a true fan is appalling. I did not want the Bhattis and campaigned to get them out too....did that make me disloyal?
     
  40. whitemouse75

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    seriously, what makes you think we can compete with arsenal to attract these players?
     
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