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  1. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Just before taking my seat, or should I say standing position in front of one, before Saturdays game I was waiting for my two mates in the concourse area.

    As one of them approached me he made reference to the fact there were so very few youngsters at the game and how many of the Wolves supporters seemed late 20's and upwards. Looking around I realised the point he was making and whilst there were a few youngsters about in general his comment seemed spot on.

    It may seem strange but his comments have played on my mind on and off since Saturday as I fear the club, whilst having excellent support, are losing it and as time passes it will only get worse?

    Here in Essex the majority of kids will follow either Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Spurs or WHU. You see the odd Ipswich top and maybe a random top of a club miles from this neck of the woods but overall there's a handful of clubs that grab their attention.

    Now I know from my trips back home this is a trend that seems prevalent far and wide and whilst I suppose it's obvious the more successful clubs will draw the support of the younger generation it's a worry that in time teams like Wolves will find their own support dwindling?

    Maybe I'm worrying unduly and someone who lives in the Wolverhampton area will say there are loads of kids who follow Wolves and the future is bright on that front but I can't help but feel the club isn't doing enough, in many fronts, to attract the support for the future?:confused:
     
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    Not many 14 year olds & under would go to away games I would say, especially a rip off like Norwich. Plenty attend Molineux regularly but you only have to look at the U21 game to see what sensible prices does to attract the casual youth fan.

    Even vs Fulham there were loads lined up willing to pay a fiver at the ticket office on the night. Make an U16 ticket & I would put them all in the NB corner for a fiver a man or the Bully lower if moving the away fans.
     
  3. reanswolf

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    The one thing that keeps the support there is through family connection and dragging kids along.

    But I too worry about our support of the future - who would you support if you lived in borderline areas with Albion to the south, and Stoke to the north?

    It has to be diminishing, we cannot be so poor for so long and realistically expect to challenge these two clubs.
     
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    8 quid to get in bus fare and something to eat is a lot of money for parents to fork out most weeks. I have two young boys and I simply can't afford to take them with my ticket and there's it's nearly 50 quid I know that doesn't sound a lot to some but for me being a student at the minute it's just unaffordable.
     
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    Thats what happens when the club (and football itself) increasingly price out its traditional working class support.

    Most kids start by going with their Dad, Mom, uncle etc but then when get older will also attract their mates (whos mom dad etc might not have gone). Less and less people can afford to take their kids (and certainly less regularly) not so much about the kids tickets (Wolves do some decent offers) more the adult tickets they have to pay when taking them. Meaning generations (and their mates) really have been lost.

    Its less noticeable with adults (although attendances are down) because of a mix of two things

    Adults tend to be replaced by the newer breed of fan. A breed that isn't likely to result in the kids tagging along with their mates (they can't all fit in the car from leafy staffordshire like they could on the 79 from Bilston).

    Also adults who really should be priced out by now but grew up watching Wolves really find a way of just about affording it because its all theyve ever known. We've go to the stage now where kids from such backgrounds really haven't know that so won't go to the same extents.
     
  6. Essex Wolf

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    Nice to read something positive.
     
  7. QB Wolf

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    I take my lad to under 8s football, there are a few Man U tops, a load of liverpool, load of albion, one in a wolves kit. Makes me feel extremely proud of my son to rise above the easy option and reminds me of the situation, when I fell for Wolves, but is a bit of an indication of our current standing.
     
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    One of the big reasons I went on Saturday was because my lad was pestering me to go as its one of the grounds he hasn't ticked off. For the fact I have been so many times and don't pariculalry like going there was one of the reasons I wasn't going to bother. Not sure if that was going through many other people's head.
     
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    I found it interesting that when referring to Essex you did not mention the smaller clubs like Orient, Dagenham, Southend. Are they as passionate about their clubs? Many kids may support teams like this as they are more affordable.
    As far as Wolves go who in the Wolverhampton are will the schoolkids be talking about about or even wearing the shirt. How much is Moxey focusing on developing links with youngsters?
    Especially with so much football on TV many youngsters will have the opportunity of seeing whatever club they choose including foreign clubs. So locality may not be as important for them as in the past.
     
  10. Essex Wolf

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    Never seen an Orient top on display all the years I've lived in Essex although I know of one supporter inn the village I live. Likewise never seen a Dagenham top but that's miles from me.

    Southend is far end of the county for me OGW and see the odd top but rarely.

    They may have youngster who follow their clubs but I'm talking about Wolves here.
     
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    A few weeks back we had a "wear your football shirt to work" day. Amongst the more interesting shirts was a German bloke in the research department who had a Sandhausen shirt. We had the usual selection of London teams plus me and a couple of others. The majority were plastic reds who have no connections to Manchester.

    Wolverhampton is unusual in that kids in the area generally support their home town team. Go to many towns around the country, including those with a reasonably good team and you'll see people wearing Man United shirts despite the fact that these people have probably been to Manchester as many times as I've been to the moon. If, for instance, their parents never regularly attended matches at their local team, it makes some sense that the kids will pick a team off the television.
     
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    My lads have lost interest. Not just in Wolves, but in the game itself. I don't think they even bothered to watch more than one England game in the World Cup.

    "What's the point? The same teams win every season. We're never going to win anything. It's boring."

    Out of the mouths of babes oft times come gems.
     
  13. reanswolf

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    I think even kids realise that supporting Wolves is pretty futile, we are a poorly run and weakly performing club.

    It breaks my heart to see us as we are to be honest. But until we are competitive again in the real sense of the word, there will be no pride & certainly little fan growth. Our fanbase is ageing and declining and this will have effect in the next decade or so.

    Even Moxey has realised that we must "try" to increase the fanbase, reluctantly accepting that early bird should eb open to all - as per the wishes of 70% of responding existing ST holders. Problem is, who is going to be attracted to this club at present?
     
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    Good points reans.
    It really pains me to see the chasm appearing between us and the likes of Albion, and Stoke when not that long ago we were considered to be on an even par.

    It also pains me to see Reading, Blackburn Rovers and Bradford City in the FA Cup Quarter finals but that's for another debate !!
     
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    I was converted into a Wolves nut by my father and uncles, who were converted by their father.
    I managed, with great difficulty and hundreds of long journeys to convert my eldest two children of 22 and 18.
    Although I am beginning to lose interest, (under the current regime) it appears I have successfully converted my 6 year old daughter. At the moment my 2yr old son has no choice over the matter, although I am having thoughts of breaking family tradition, and letting him choose for himself; only so he doesn't have to suffer in the current bleak looking future.

    Well outside of Wolverhampton, if you tell a kid under the age of 12 that you support Wolves they either say who are they? or they simply laugh.
    Even during our brief stay in The Premiership we were still almost unknown to most youngsters.
    The same can be said for about another 75 clubs in the top 4 divisions, as to become known you need a degree of success or at least a minimum 10 year stint in the top flight.

    Considering our size, history and fanbase, we have for over a decade shown absolutely no ambition to win a domestic cup. The way things are going, we looked doomed to be a mid-table second division club at best.
    I would imagine the majority of our supporters are middle-aged or older; they won't live for ever.

    The future support of our club is in serious trouble unless our hierarchy promptly do something about it.
    The problem is I, as many others, have absolutely no faith whatsoever in them.
    Unless there are major changes in action and attitude, the future looks very bleak indeed.
     
  16. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    I think it needs another family member to indoctrinate the youngsters into attending games. The fact of the matter is, in the seventies football (live games)were a rarity on TV...now its the norm.

    Before they are old enough to attend a game kids grow up watching premier League teams, Spanish football, German football. If there is no strong hand coaxing their kids in to watching the Wolves (and subsequently bearing the same cross as we all do) then their support will be lost to the glamour teams.
     
  17. reanswolf

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    I have got my kids past the glory hunting stage, but it's hard to generate much interest from them when we are happy to linger in the middrift of the Championship.

    The number of kids wearing Manure tops seems to have dropped off the edge of the cliff bizarrely. But you know they will reappear with success.

    But beyond all this, I really struggle to see how West Brom quite often don't sell 23000 home tickets (nearer 21000-22000 v Swansea). They do not really seem (yet) to have maximised their obvious on the pitch superiority over us. I'm really not sure why. I understand the £40 Cat A games not selling well mind, just not the other ones.
     
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    Being established in the Premier League is absolutely key for future support.
     
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    Although the attitude towards fans at the club has been $$$$poor for quite some time by people who don't understand or can empathise with them much of the changes are outside the club.

    Drip feeding of the media game, social changes, legislation based on prejudice since 1989 and exploitation via the pocket in football have changed what supporting your club used to be about.

    I don't think it is coincidence that posters on here who still attend are the ones who travel away a lot or 'make a noise' are in the 45-65 age group and there seems to be as many, if not more, in relation to those younger than that.

    The proverbial 'change is inevitable' plays it part but not all change is for the better and that certainly applies in football.
     
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    Depends where u sit. S1/SL1 is full of younger kids & obviously the Billy Wright lower/upper will families.

    Just think the majority of the people in S5-S3 are ST holders who have been going for x years so the faces rarely change
     
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    A lot of it is to do with tv and advertising. When I was a kid in wall heath it was mainly wolves, Albion and I knew a villa fan. Now I see more man Utd, Chelsea, city and real Madrid shirts than wolves or Albion.
     
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    True but I was basing my comments Stefan on the turn out at Norwich.
     
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    Thats a really good idea. A 14-18 year old section, pay on the gate. I know I started to go with my mates around that age. A demographic with disposable income.
     
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    Excellent and very interesting point raised Essex.
    The reason I am saying that is before the game in the concourse and again at half time I also noticed the average age of the Wolves fans seemed like it was about 50 years of age.
    I have also noticed this on other away games this season.
    I travelled to Norwich on the coach with my 8 year old son, my friend and his 11 year old grandson, the average age on the coach was about 50.
    I also believe, notwithstanding the result and the performance that was also a contributing factor why the Wolves fans were not as vocal as usual, could be wrong on that point just an observation.
    However on home games there seems to be a healthy proportion of youngsters around
     
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    You could shut off the NB corner not serve alcohol etc & put 12-17 year olds I would say in there, in fact any kid really as long as the parents don't mind, charge them a fiver £80 ST etc. Might give the NB some noise also in a high pitch Villa sound.

    No doubt something needs doing with these seats in the wings though, why not fill them with kids. Try a few special offers out Wolves see how it goes.
     
  26. Essex Wolf

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    Nice to think the club are attracting youngsters to carry on the tradition Ercall.

    And I was in the Complete Angler Saturday but missed you obviously?
     
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    I'm 22 and my first away game was at 20. The demographics I would imagine are the same for every other team in the FL.
     
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    we are fast becoming the big brother of Walsall and there isnt many of there supporters living outside the local area. we cant have a decent pa system, video walls or a full squad but we do have a half built stadium with badly faded seating on 3 sides of the ground. unless the clubs directors get things upgraded we will sink into the lower leagues and largely be forgotten outside of the immediate area.
     
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    I was sat in the right hand corner as you walk in under the TV screen, next time
     
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    The points you make have absolutely no bearing on your last statement which I do agree with
     
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    Must have been just feet from you mate. I was at the end of the bar where you come in. Yup next time mate.
     
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    Next time defo
     
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    Regardless of pricing, you have to ask yourself are kids more likely to enjoy watching the game in silence with the odd song, or enjoy singing and bouncing all game having fun regardless of a $$$$ team?
     
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    Not much on terrestrial TV though is there, champions league, which is on too late for my lad and FA cup, which seems to be a at odd times. Used to love the central soccer Sunday afternoon games in the mid 90s would love that to be back on and would be an ideal intro to local professional football.
     
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    Where do you sit Essex?

    Let me guess, it's not the South Bank.
     
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    the point is as things slip away neglectfully, unless you alter the trend, people become more distanced from the club. a successful vibrant approach will help sustain that interest.
     
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    Loved those
     
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    very good point, I do think pricing plays a massive part but lets face it going is just not fun anymore!

    Most adults still go through loyalty and habit more than anything. Younger generations don't have that so why would they go.

    Now I'm not talking about things on the pitch (that results in ups and downs throughout the years and that will always be the same).

    When I was a kid (and this wasn't in some golden era of a formidable South or Northbank terrace, this was mostly with an all seater stadium early to mid 90s) I'd sit in the family enclosure and EVERY game love the whole matchday. The flags carried over the Northbank (sometimes Southbank), the liquidator as the teams came out, the noise coming at me from both ends loud and clear (clear enough to make out the swear words to repeat on the playground Monday as I was a naughty little $$$$). This was pure tribalism and I loved it, you then couldn't wait to get older and get behind one of the goals and play your own part. So then as a teenager you start going with you mates a good group of you jumping on the bus together (maybe even going for a prematch drink as soon as you could some how pass for 18) and spending the game, singing about your favourite players, abusing the away fans/ref etc.

    Now what have they got, a corporate lead sterile shell of a ground that often resembles a libray. If I was a teenager now I don't think I'd bother!
     
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    I think this does play a big part in attendances. I used to watch those religiously each Sunday as a teenager - and Wolves seemed to be on more often than other midlands teams. It as watching those that got me into football - and it was through seeing Wolves regularly that made them my team. I loved watching Bully. I loved De Wolf, Goodman, etc. Something just pulled me into the Wolves. From watching each Sunday, I then went to my first match - a pre-season friendly against Arsenal. I then became hooked. Had a season ticket in the family enclosure for two years, before moving to the South Bank. Never looked back since. From watching Sunday afternoon footy on the box, it converted me into a football addict and Wolves supporter. That was 20 years ago now.

    I got into cricket the same way. Test matches on the BBC drawing me in.

    Kids don't have access to sport now unless their parents subscribe to expensive sports packages. It's all gone. No footy on ITV, no test matches on the BBC. No F1 on the BBC. No Italian football on channel 4 to draw the kids into football. It's all gone.

    Kids don't get to see the sports - so they don't become interested in them any more.

    The lack of exposure to sports now will have an impact on attendances in the future when the 40/50/60 year old regulars now become older and stop going. The younger generation won't be coming through to replace them.

    Football will self destruct eventually. The greed of today will kill the game tomorrow.

    These TV deals are becoming bigger and bigger every time contracts get renewed. It's gone from millions of pounds deals to billions of pounds deals. That can't go on forever. Those prices will be passed on to our sky packages - and at the rate they're increasing, it won't be long before people will be paying over £100 for a sky package with sports channels.

    Wages aren't rising at the same rate - so it'll become too expensive for some. Eventually, the TV deals will self destruct - and that money will dry up.

    Then clubs will go back to needing fans in the grounds for money - and attendances will be down because the younger generation haven't come through in high numbers.
     
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    I think a young persons section pay cash turnstile/section would be superb, but i fear a step too far for the club who want your address, dob, sperm count etc.

    I have advocated this previously, it would need to be something that is advertised and repeatedly publicised through schools. We are going to have 10-12000 empty seats on average next season - we really ought to be addressing the declining interest.
     

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