This site is supported by the advertisements on it, please disable your AdBlocker so we can continue to provide you with the quality content you expect.

Forgive me. But.....

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by North West Wanderer, Feb 7, 2015.

  1. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    Is anyone else doubting Jackett or is it just me?

    Baffling team selections and clearly not getting the best out of his available players?

    Fully expect a verbal battering but I have severe doubts he's capable of taking us further.

    I would love to be proved wrong.
     
  2. Summer_Wolf

    Summer_Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,805
    Likes Received:
    1,325
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2013
    Not playing Edwards in a 4-4-2 would be a start.
     
  3. Summer_Wolf

    Summer_Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,805
    Likes Received:
    1,325
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2013
    But yes, I'm not sure about him I must admit. Balance of the team has been wrong for ages
     
  4. Bumbamuffin

    Bumbamuffin Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    1,151
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    No.

    In an ideal world,he'd go at the end of the season for me. We've got 1 parachute payment left and he gives us no chance of going up with his awful brand of football at this level.

    It won't happen of course.
     
  5. bod101

    bod101 Admin & No.4

    Messages:
    7,834
    Likes Received:
    1,976
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2005
    i am starting to wonder why we stopped playing the higher tempo game from the second half of last season, its almost as if he never wanted to play like that.
     
  6. WednesburyWolf

    WednesburyWolf Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,232
    Likes Received:
    599
    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    If it truly was Kenny who said he was happy with the squad then he needs to be questioned.

    It's not Morgan or Moxey who choose to play a back 6.

    We have a distinct lack of creativity and it's worrying.
     
  7. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
  8. Leigh72

    Leigh72 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,165
    Likes Received:
    949
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2013
    I agree, he is far too negative to get us out of this division, now with a bit more quality available it might be better, but he doesn't have the players in key positions for me.
    And that might not be his fault.
     
  9. NewarkWolf

    NewarkWolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    14,378
    Likes Received:
    1,443
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2005
    You don't need to ask if I doubt him Stu.......... There's a reason why at his age he hasn't been in a position to challenge for a prem place...........
     
  10. Like him. Suspect he's trying a few things. Might as well. I hope he understands the majority of that team aren't good enough. They won't get anywhere near what is required playing the system and style that is the club rule. Get safe and put a few kids in. It's getting very zzzzzzzzzzzz

    The recruitment team don't seem to be able to match the plan.
     
  11. Wolf316

    Wolf316 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    6,890
    Likes Received:
    3,557
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    Completely agree. He was the right man for where we were last season but I don't see him taking us any further than mid table. What's funny is that when McLaren was mentioned a number of posters on here didn't want him yet it looks like Derby are going up this season and he looks like a forward thinking coach.
     
  12. SuperTigerWolf

    SuperTigerWolf Senior Member

    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    3
    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2005
    I was concerned with today's selections, but then I was always keen for KJ to ignore the anti-Price calls and never been a Doherty fan.
     
  13. JW

    JW Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    14,447
    Likes Received:
    2,123
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2007
    Doubted him for a while NWW. He comes across as clueless a number of times now
     
  14. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

    Messages:
    21,373
    Likes Received:
    7,029
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    I only deal in FACT.

    That is pure conjecture. Where's your evidence?

    Welcome to the club NWW = New Wolves Wetter :D
     
  15. Ercall Wolves

    Ercall Wolves Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    5,677
    Likes Received:
    2,595
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2015
    No it can't just be you.I suspect many are doubting Jackett, I for one have doubted his ability at this level for a long time, since his appointment actually.

    His history as a manager in this division is not even average.
    He sets up the team each week as though we are playing Barcelona and is negative. Today on his post match interview on WM he said he picked the team to win, surely if you picked a team to win you would include Dicko
    For me I would replace him sooner rather than later but we all know that won't happen.
    I too would loved to be proved wrong
    Try not to be too abusive if you respond to this post, just going to the garage to get my tin hat
     
  16. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    This is an opinion!
     
  17. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    You mistake me for someone who constantly has a go ;)

    I am surprised everyone agrees with me.
    28000 posts it took haha!!
     
  18. Bumbamuffin

    Bumbamuffin Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    1,151
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    I think everyone wants KJ to succeed. He is a nice guy.

    However,we need more than a nice bloke.
     
  19. Bend It Like Dennison

    Bend It Like Dennison Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,643
    Likes Received:
    69
    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2006
    The team selection today after a 9 match unbeaten run was baffling. FIVE changes?? Has that happened ever in the history of football??

    Mad Mick could pick a disjointed team but even Jackett surpassed him today in terms of baffling team selection.

    Jackett is a mid table championship manager and this season was his make or break season. The recruitment has been poor this season and now it's starting to show. Bournemouth and Derby aside, there isn't much to pick between the other 6 teams making up the top 8.
     
  20. Sedgley Gold N Black

    Sedgley Gold N Black Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    20,252
    Likes Received:
    2,990
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Today I think he got it wrong both with the selection and subs and there have been a couple of other times too but everyone makes the odd mistake and on the whole he's got far more right than wrong.

    I don't agree with the negative style claims either really, where were these claims when we were playing some great football with Jacobs in the pivotal no.10 role last season?

    The problem is that in the two windows we haven't strengthened anywhere near what was required especially in two critical positions to making this formation work, the striker and the no.10.

    We've seemingly solved the striker issue, half a season too late, by bringing in Afobe to provide competition to Dicko but we haven't solved the all important no.10 issue.

    Jacobs is no longer in the picture and I trust Jackett's decision on that as it seems to be off the field issues that are the reason. I don't believe for one second that Jackett wouldn't want to improve the squad and bring in a better unfortunately I think he's being badly let down by those above him.

    He does have a tendency to tinker too much though when it isn't going great but I think that's more to do with a lack of options where he would want them ie attacking players which are often changed.
     
  21. GY Wolf

    GY Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,587
    Likes Received:
    738
    Joined:
    May 4, 2009
    A couple of wins and the doubts will subside again, I've just accepted that people will be fickle between now and the end of the season, which is the time to assess Jackett.
     
  22. North West Wanderer

    North West Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    36,519
    Likes Received:
    3,847
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    Absolutely.

    This isn't about who we didn't sign. It's about who we have and how they are used
     
  23. Bumbamuffin

    Bumbamuffin Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,812
    Likes Received:
    1,151
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    34 goals.29 games.

    That's why he'll never succeed at this level.

    We aren't playing Carlisle anymore.
     
  24. Jim Bowen

    Jim Bowen Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    8,050
    Likes Received:
    7,148
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    He's the perfect fit though for the cheap and cheerful Wolves approach, he's just happy to be in charge of a big club and Morgan is delighted to have him as he's good enough to keep us in the top half within touching distance of the play-offs, despite not being quite good to get us there. So everyone is happy all round, well except the long suffering fans and if they do criticise, just convince enough posters on message boards to tell them they are just too negative and impatience.
     
  25. Paul76

    Paul76 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    13,456
    Likes Received:
    308
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2007
    Yes. Because changing managers in the recent past has worked wonders for us.

    Fools.
     
  26. Dewsburywolf

    Dewsburywolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    39,109
    Likes Received:
    105
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2007
    Why did he change BOTH full-backs?

    Meaning three of the five at the back if you factor in Ikeme's injury
     
  27. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

    Messages:
    19,320
    Likes Received:
    9,617
    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2011
    I don't think there is anyone who doesn't have any doubts at all as to whether he will get us promoted.

    But I think his record so far more than justifies him being given at least another year to have the chance to find out.

    Think there's a few parallels with Mick's second season where we also struggled with creativity and he made some equally baffling decisions (Darron Gibson on the right wing).

    I guess it depends on if you think he is over or underperforming with this squad. Given the squad he inherited, I'm veering slightly towards the former.
     
  28. Pessimistic Wolf

    Pessimistic Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,753
    Likes Received:
    212
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2009
    Whilst I am inclined to agree that tinkering with the defensive setup today was a mistake, surely the time to assess the managerial situation is once we've had an opportunity to step back and look at things in perspective.

    Whilst not accusing you of yourself being fickle (because I've read enough of your posts to know that you're a thoughtful contributor to the forum), opinion on any manager ebbs and flows in an incredibly predictable manner.

    When results don't go our way, the entire kitchen sink gets thrown at Jackett in mob-mentality kind of way, which erodes confidence and support. When they do go our way, all of those little gripes about "negative football", "sticking with Edwards", "not enough ambition", etc. just mysteriously disappear, which is odd, because presumably most of these criticisms would be pertinent regardless of results?

    I fundamentally disagree that Jackett has indicated that he can't take us any further, not out of any particular support for Jackett but out of consideration that it would be rather difficult to predict the long-term outcome of situation after only observing about 55% of its first trial.

    Responses on the Mix are pretty disproportionate to what has happened. Today ends our 8 game unbeaten run, during which we had won 5 and drawn 3. I reckon that's fairly good, considering we're knocking on the playoff spots after being in League 1 last season. Fair enough, the double relegation was an anomaly, and I also fully appreciate the desire to constantly do better, but I think if a neutral looked at the situation they'd be surprised to find us up in arms.

    Moreover, I always find grand declarations like "will never be X" or "can never do Y" rather bizarre. It implies possession of both unbelievably nuanced strategic awareness, and a sort of mystical foresight. It boggles the mind why, if someone were so gifted, they would spend their time moaning on Molineux Mix on a Saturday night.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 7, 2015
  29. Jonzy54

    Jonzy54 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    38,389
    Likes Received:
    10,387
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Too cautious.Tinkers too much.
    The answers won't come from within and now necessitate loanees arriving albeit we all know players should have arrived in January.
    Arrogance across the board to think we are strong enough .We ain't .
     
  30. JW

    JW Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    14,447
    Likes Received:
    2,123
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2007
    Clown
     
  31. Jim Bowen

    Jim Bowen Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    8,050
    Likes Received:
    7,148
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    It all depends on who is picking the new manager, with Morgan's track record I'd be tempted to offer Kenny a new and improved contract.
     
  32. Bugsy911

    Bugsy911 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    5,272
    Likes Received:
    931
    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2005
    In easily 6 or 7 games this season I've looked in dismay at the team sheet and had a very bad feeling regarding the selections and today was again one of those days.

    It has been apparent the last few games at home that we have really struggled to break pretty poor teams down and that the squad really did need a few additions during the window.

    This didn't happen and so far I think KJ has been able to hide behind the 2 clowns in charge of our wonderful club however after his interview tonight for the first time I also have grave doubts about what he is doing.

    Don't even get me started on his subs as today when we went with the 2nd striker Price should have been on at the same time as Edwards was like little boy lost and before it was changed we were 2 - 1 and then that wasn't the time to bring Price on as he wouldn't score in a month of Sunday's ......clueless !!!

    The whole club stinks of apathy and lack of ambition and this stems from the owner and until he goes it wont change as he will be more than happy sitting in mid table with a half empty stadium.
     
  33. Ercall Wolves

    Ercall Wolves Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    5,677
    Likes Received:
    2,595
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2015
    You mistook what I said "No it can't be just you" was a response to you saying "Is it just me"
     
  34. Wolf316

    Wolf316 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    6,890
    Likes Received:
    3,557
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    Changing managers may have worked if we'd chosen better. In fact you could say we couldn't have chosen much worse! Where would we be now if we'd hired Steve Bruce instead of Clipboard?
     
  35. wwbug

    wwbug Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,509
    Likes Received:
    1,225
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Yes but Morgan probably likes a nice bloke !
     
  36. Big Nosed Wolf

    Big Nosed Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    6,831
    Likes Received:
    1,451
    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2011
    Probably in roughly the same position.

    There were similar threads a few weeks back.

    Let's see now.

    KJ takes on a club in turmoil in freefall through the divisions. In his second season he has it in sight of a play off place to the top league. He has done it with limited funding and bloodied some youngsters which everyone wanted to see.

    He tries a few changes because that's what part of his job is, they don't come off.

    Meanwhile the lack lustre performances are all down to his ' tinkering'. Nothing to do with trying to implement the 'Wolves Way' the 'modern' way with players who for the most part are still learning or have come in for vast sums of money like 2 million quid or so, which gets you exactly what there is, mainly competent second tier players who lack the vision to play this way like those who, generally, cost at least 5 million upwards.

    Looking in the wrong place on this thread and many others.
     
  37. wwbug

    wwbug Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,509
    Likes Received:
    1,225
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    It is not the act of changing . It is the person you appoint.
     
  38. Wolfman jack

    Wolfman jack Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,951
    Likes Received:
    248
    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2005
    Very strange team selection today . would always have Golbourne above Hause, Iorfa above Doherty and always Dicko to start. I assume they were fit as they were on the bench. Left it too late for sub's - we clearly needed to change as we were not threatening their goal at all. Our drive forward is virtually non existent at times and although Sako tried to make things happen single handed, our lack of creativity is frightening. The loan window will define our season but no way will KJ be dismissed or will walk but I felt today that the crowd is getting restless for the first time.
     
  39. Perton Wolf

    Perton Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    11,407
    Likes Received:
    2,258
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2010
    I actually agree, his tactics and team selection in general has been crap, today was baffling.
     
  40. CTA91

    CTA91 Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,151
    Likes Received:
    1,468
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    I said it when he was appointed, he'll get us back up and that he should get a shot in the championship, but he will not cut it in the premiership.
     

Share This Page