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Edwards/Jacobs

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by manchesterwolf17, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. manchesterwolf17

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    I think there may be a slight misconception of Dave Edwards in regards to his goal scoring abilities. I have seen countless posts conceding Edwards' lack of overall impact and limited attributes tagged with the line 'yeh but he does score goals' Well does he?

    I've just been looking at his statistics for this season, and in around 26 league games, virtually all of which barre the odd one, I believe he has started, he has scored a total of 4 goals (2 of which have came this month) hardly prolific is it?


    I've never been his greatest fan but at the same time don't have some sort of vendetta against him, i just feel at this level he is at best a useful substitute to bring on when the game is stretched. Surely though, if you're going to deprive the team of a second striker, then an overall impact and greater goal tally is required?


    In connection, i also see a lot of people ruling out Jacobs and stating that he isn't up for it at this level. Well from what i can recall, in the league, he has only played in his best position once (at home to Cardiff when he came on as a substitute). By no means do i think he has impressed in those cameos but surely he deserves more of a consistent chance given how impressive he was in that role last season, during which I felt we played our best and most entertaining football. Perhaps as some suspect, there is more to it off the field.


    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Sketchead

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    My thoughts are that if Edwards hadn't scored those goals, where the $$$$ would they have come from?

    As sad as it sounds, he's our third top scorer with four goals. Anyone who has a habit of being in the right place at the right time needs to start.
     
  3. FLEET WOLF

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    Exactly, McDonald, Price and Saville could play 40 games each and get no where near scoring (in fact that might be true!).
     
  4. manchesterwolf17

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    I agree with what you're saying in regards to McDonald etc, but my point is that what people justify Edwards' selection with isn't exactly convincing when you look at those stats, whilst also considering he plays a far more advanced role than the other centre midfielder's whilst at the same time depriving us of a second striker.
     
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    Price is going to be the Wolves version of Tony Hibbert. In 12 years we'll have to lay on a penalty for him in a testimonial.
     
  6. Berks_WWFC

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    My view is that Edwards make runs/moves that others don't/cant and reads the game very well.
    His partnership with Dicko at the back end of last season and first few months of this season were great and it's no coincidence that the bad run in November was off the back of Dicko being injured and Edwards being 'rotated'.

    From the opportunities, however limited they have been, I have not seen the quality that Edwards brings from Saville, Evans or Jacobs in that role.

    Edwards movement and runs have helped create space for Dicko to score his goals too, I think both compliment each other and long may they continue to do so.
     
  7. I'd never been a massive fan of Edwards, particularly pre-Jackett. I always felt like he was a spare part with poor technique, but I have to say Jackett has turned him into a decent player. Not only does he do a lot off the ball, as he always has, but his technique has improved and his overall attacking-midfield play. He's twice the player Jacobs is.

    You also have to trust the manager and coaching staff re who is picked. We don't see them day in day out like they do so you have to assume that Jacobs is not doing enough on the training pitch, whereas Edwards obviously is!

    For me, the question is what players are available in the transfer market to offer Edwards some competition. He doesn't have any and that's a real issue.
     
  8. Tom S

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    His constant harrying of defences and non-stop movement creates as many opportunities for others as his goals contribute. Whilst I agree that Jacobs has been misused this season (for example should definitely have come on rather than Doherty on Sat), Jackett clearly does not agree.

    What is desperately needed is competition for Edwards, preferably looking for someone who encompasses his work rate with a little more guile on the ball. I appreciate that everyone wants this kind of player but it should the priority position that Thelwell is tasked with recruiting for.
     
  9. DawleyWolf

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    Dangerous does two things no-one else on the team does

    A) he is constantly at the heels of the opposition midfielders closing them down; and
    B) he is always makes himself available to receive a pass in all parts of the field

    not quite priceless, but very valuable
     
  10. Mr Wolf

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    It's up to La Parra, Henry, McDonald & a Striker to make the most of his workrate & runs. We need to get the ball to Afobe/Dickos feet more & work off them but we barely do this.
     
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    But they will add a lot more to the team.

    Do you guys even watch football or just the highlight clips?
     
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    Edwards isn't technically great but he fits into the team so well

    That's why he plays, as the team is greater than the sum of its parts
     
  13. Dan G WWFC

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    A) Is closing down on his own a good thing, leaving space behind him as teams will just pace around most of the time. Would have a player that presses when ever body else does, wouldn't that be better?

    B) I don't think he does. Many times he is hiding from the play trying to ghost behind the defence, that's why he goes massive periods of the game unnoticed.

    C) he does score goals. But is the lack of anything else stoping other players from scoring goals. Would playing Jacobs for example mean more goals for Dicko etc
     
  14. Essex Wolf

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    Edwards does a lot more for the team than is often noticed and certainly not appreciated.
     
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    In my opinion I'd always sell him on Football Manager and replace him with either an Israeli or Cypriot player that I found out about on one of the forums. In my opinion Football Manager is the best way to judge how good a player is.

    Regardless of how Edwards performs on the pitch, how many goals he scores, how much his intelligent runs contribute to others scoring, how tirelessly he works for the team he'd always be the first person I'd drop. I base this solely on the fact that we signed him ages ago from Luton, he was rubbish for a bit and him playing well, scoring goals isn't nearly as exciting as signing somebody/anybody that currently plays for any other team in the world............................ Or playing Michael Jacobs.
     
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    Yes we do you, thanks for your condescension. I watch McDonald stand admiring his passes instead of moving to receive the ball back and Price making the easy pass every time.

    They have their place in the system but the fact is when we have played Evans or Saville in that more advanced role we have looked less dangerous and so far Edwards has demonstrated he needs competition.
     
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    in the last few games the three behind dicko have been static offering very little movement especially if the opponents have got back defending, the counter attack suits them better but often we are way too slow moving the ball from defence.
     
  18. Dan G WWFC

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    He does need competition, All our other midfielders aren't runners they are the passers.
     
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    It gets to a point though where closing down, making runs, and these so called positives he does that go unnoticed simply aren't enough. If these things he brings to us were really that effective, the team would be firing at all cylinders and we're quite clearly not. It's all good running about, but what about having some ability and creativity? Often I completely forget that he's even playing, and considering the role he takes up, that simply isn't good enough. An attacking midfielders should be taking players on, going for the jugular, spreading the ball about. Does Edwards offer any of that? Not one bit.
     
  20. Let's face it, Jackett doesn't rate or trust Jacobs right now, whatever the reasoning may be. Like you say, we need competition.

    I'd argue though that we're currently too reliant on Edwards and Sako and Parra, Henry and Dicko need to chip in with more goals.
     
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    Why have we never tried

    ...........Price.............McDonald

    Henry............La Parra............Sako

    ......................Dicko
     
  22. I like them both and am somewhat surprised that Jacobs hasn't made an impact. Looked very lightweight and lacking a turn of pace when I've seen him. I think the number ten role needs someday who can perhaps receive a high ball and hold it but Edwards can't do that. He is good at making runs and ratting in the final third. Doesn't look effective when we have a team like Charlton sitting back. If we had Jarvis and Kightly out wide he would get far more goals and needs a far quicker tempo to be at his best.
     
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    I suggested similar a while ago. If rvlp was told to run centrally we could do well, my only queries are does he have the workraste and shooting boots?
     
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    the problem is trying to find a player to replace Edwards who will score more goals than him within wolves budget.
    many people slag Edwards off but over a season he chips in with good few goals for a midfielder at the moment he is wolves joint 2nd highest goal scorer one behind sako and same as dicko
     
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    ...........
     
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  26. RAP WOLF

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    Don't really like either. Very average but Edwards is in good form. We need something in the summer because we won't get some of the results next season we have so far this term. That's a fact we need better players. We don't score enough
     
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    Or could we get a player that would get Dicko, Sako and Co scoring more.

    It's all well and good having players that can score goals but you need players to set them up.

    If we break down the 4231 in roles for the team. Simple as possible.

    St- Goals

    LW- Assists and some goals
    Am- Assists and some goals
    Rw- Assists and some goals

    Dm- Protection the defence and move the ball around
    Dm- Protection the defence and move the ball around

    Lb- cover the centrebacks and support the midfield and winger
    Cb- protect the goal keeper
    Cb- protect the goal keeper
    RB- cover the centrebacks and support the midfield and winger

    Gk- stop the ball going in the net.

    Do we have the correct players to do that?

    I think Van La Parra and Edwards lack that extra goals or assists.
     
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    We will have to keep Jacobs and start getting the best out of him at this rate due to our poor efforts in the transfer market.
     
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    I've never regarded Edwards as the "goalscoring midfielder" that he's tagged with in media reports.

    He's scored 24 goals in 194 games for us.

    Whenever he does score for us, he tends to have a run of form and scores 2 or 3 games when he scores regularly - so that gives the impression he scores more than he actually does.

    He is a useful player though. He may not be technically gifted. He may have his limitations and may only suit certain formations and tactics - but he is a useful option and he does offer something that nobody else in our squad can offer.

    He pops up with occasional goals because he's continually looking to run into spaces, run onto late balls in the box - and he's hard for the opposition to keep watch of all through the game. He pulls opposition defenders out of position - or his late runs into the box go unnoticed because defenders are marking other players.

    No other player in our squad offers that.

    I never used to rate him under McCarthy (because he never really fit into our system then) - but Jackett has brought out the best in him. If you watch his movement off the ball, he's actually quite a clever player when it comes to movement.

    What he lacks in footballing ability is made up for in thinking off the ball and work ethic. He's aware of all of his teammates around him and has the ability to read the game to put himself into spaces that they create - he's more valuable to us than people give him credit for.
     
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    If he could shoot , he would be excellent, but he can't, so he's only good. IMO

    *awaits someone to comment on his shot at blackburn*
     
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    All of this is great for now but if we're looking to the future, Dave Edwards is a player we should be looking to upgrade on. There are too many occasions when he has little impact on a game.
     
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    I'm confused as to what Edwards is, I don't watch football you see. Is he a passer? A runner? A shooter or something completely obscure like a Strong Safety or Middle Linebacker?
     
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    Woody please keep up mate. He's the latest scapegoat.:D
     
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    I thought that was Moxey and Morgan?
     
  35. Essex Wolf

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    No no no Woody, they're the ones who look for others to be scapegoats. Takes the flak away from them and allows them more time to totally mess up the club.
     
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    if van la parra and edwards were excellent players they wouldnt be playing for wolves they would off been cherry picked in edwards case or signed for a bigger club in van la parra case.

    wolves play with wingers/wide midfielders who should be the setting up the forwards.
     
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    2 DM to do $$$$ all positive in possession! Yes because that is working well!!
     
  38. Mr Wolf

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    Agreed, Sorry Dan but one of those midfielders need to drive on & join in with Edwards, give little give & goes slipping the wingers or forwards in. Playing tippy tap with Batth & Iorfa not enough.
     
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    2 Defensive midfielders....absolutely ridiculous.
     
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