Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by andy-in-seat-190, Dec 20, 2008.
Ratings / verdicts here please...
Stats and BBC ratings here :
Hard to trust those stats when, so I've heard, in the first half we had a shot saved and then cleared off the line and we scored a goal so that makes at least 3 shots on target, not 2.
Add to that Foleys effort in the 2nd half that their keeper saved.
Just got back, getting out of the car park took about 45 mins i guess parking in a shoping retail park was a little naive!
Not an overly good performance from Wolves, especially in the first half, we failed to keep the ball very well and only through the good performance of Henry in the second half and the introduction of Iwelumo and Jarvis did we deserve this win. How we didn't score in one incident in the first half is beyond me, we hit the bar twice, had one cleared off the line and there was a save from Sullivan in there two, all that happened in around 4 seconds. Doncaster also came close when a counter-attack from a weak Kightly cross led to a good shot being tipped onto the bar from Hennessey.
Overall a very good three points against what seemed a very motivated and organised Doncaster which belies their lowly position, although they were fairly inept up front.
Hennessey – Made two good saves, one tipping on to the bar in first half and another in the second from an intelligent corner and volley from Donny, the ref. didn’t give a corner though oddly enough. Still not confident enough coming for crosses for my liking, but overall a good performance with good kicking (except one) – 7/10
Foley – For once his distribution let him down at times, both with crosses (where he failed to beat the first man on at least 3 occasions) and also with balls to Kightly, who today just didn’t seem to be one another’s wavelength. He defended stoutly though as ever, and won quite a few headers. 7/10
Stearman – Had a good game, made two or three barnstorming runs as we have become accustomed to as well as 3 or 4 wonderfully committed challenges, he seemed comfortable allowing Collins to do the aerial work while Stearman did the ball work. 8/10
Collins – I was surprised to see him in the side but pleased as I feel in away games where we are under more pressure he is ideal for dealing with the physical and aerial bombardments that a lot of teams in this division throw at us. He won everything in the air and looked surprisingly pacey at times. I feared for him in the second half as I felt he was going to be sent off for what looked like a great challenge (although in fairness it was difficult to tell from where I was stood) on a breaking Rovers striker. A “brave and brilliant” goal from Collins got us the three points, he has such a wonderfully committed attitude and without it and him I don’t think we would have won today. My man of the match 9.5/10
Hill – I felt he had a good first half, I was surprised to see him substituted, though McCarthy’s decision was vindicated. Hill made a few excellent headed clearances, also a great clearance from a dangerous Doncaster corner. 7/10
Kightly - A little bit of an enigma at the moment, his form isn’t good, but is this because we are comparing him with the high standards he has set himself? He made a few crossfield runs and was unlucky to find 2 shots well blocked. But, I felt his decision making was poor at times, particularly in one good position in the second half where he should have fed Foley but dwelt on the ball for far too long (which led to him getting frustrated and getting booked). His delivery from open play was poor, but he got an assist from a great ball for Collins for the goal. I think missing a game against will be a blessing in disguise long term and hopefully he will come back stronger. 6.5/10
Henry – In the first half I felt he was getting muscled out of it and was giving the ball away too easily. In the second half it was as if McCarthy had told him this, his tackles became more biting and his passing improved no end. Perhaps because he had more movement in front of him in the second half and it became easier. I felt he was carrying Edwards a little bit and thus was getting outfought. It also looked as though Donny had 3 across the centre, so again perhaps this was why our midfield seemed to struggle today. If Henry had played as well in the first as he did the second he would have been man of the match. 8/10
Edwards – Was in headless chicken mode today I felt, he ran around a lot but the game seemed to pass him by, he almost does too much work rather than making himself available for an easy ball (like Henry does) he seems to get into positions where it’s difficult for him to be found. He needs to improve his performances to continue to keep Jones out of the team and also keep a potential midfield signing out too. Not good enough today. 6/10
Ward – Another incredibly committed player and as it stands I would vote him player of the season, his new found confidence means he is more willing to take on his man, and as ever he is so strong in the challenge and good in the air. Always makes himself available and worked well with both Hill and Jarvis. Had a good game. 8/10
SEB – Struggled to hold the ball up today, Donny defenders were right up his $$$$ all game and he struggled to wriggle away and get a shot off. He linked better with Iwelumo than Keogh, but he never really looked like scoring. The correct decision to replace him with Vokes. 6/10
Keogh – A frustrating display from Keogh, he was good when he had the ball, he retains possession and looks threatening when running at players. BUT he is far too weak when he is challenging for the ball both in the air and on the floor, he is knocked of the ball too easily and in his current form he is not the kind of player that will be very successful away from home. 6/10
Jarvis – Didn’t get as much of the ball as I had hoped, but added a certain intensity to our play, always looks to take on his man and his delivery was fairly good. I just wish he would shoot more! 7.5/10
Iwelumo – Excellent performance, exactly what we needed after Keogh’s lightweight display, tried hard to work 1-2s with SEB but more through bad luck than judgement it failed to come off. He had a couple of poor shots that flew into the Wolves fans, but he like Jarvis helped us increase our tempo and intensity and with him playing the ball actually started to stick up front which meant Kightly and Jarvis could get more involved. Displayed good determination regularly and aggressively closing down their defenders and Sullivan, once when he saved the ball going out for a goal kick springs to mind. He was back to his best today. 8/10
Vokes – Did ok, is raw but very positive, I think with time he could become a very important player for us. 7/10
Fans – There in good numbers today, seemed nervous though and not all that noisy until we scored. When we did score a fan jumped onto the pitch, and whilst I don’t condone this behavior the way he was dealt with by stewards was provocative to other fans. After jumping around with players briefly he tried to jump back in with the Wolves fans but was hauled out of the stand by a completely over-zealous steward who probably injured others in his attempts to pull this chap out. This caused a lot of anger and annoyance; they really should have just left him to it. Jobsworths.
It was good to see the players acknowledging the fans so much, Iwelumo, Hennessey, Collins, Foley and others all throwing their shirts into the crowd, also Ward looked really fired up with the win. Great scenes!
McCarthy – I wasn’t surprised to see an unchanged team (except Collins) Mick probably felt he shouldn’t change a winning team and knew that Jarvis and Iwelumo to come on as impact players if things were going well would probably get us the points. It did and you have to give McCarthy credit for that. Good man management too as Keogh would have known he would have Iwelumo breathing down his neck. Not that it really helped his performance!
Ground – What a soulless bowl. Walking to the ground there seems to be no indication that this is actually Doncaster Rovers ground. No signs on the exterior of the ground with “Doncaster FC” or the like, I didn’t see a club shop and it just seemed to be “somewhere that Doncaster play” rather than their “home” no mention of their history or anything. The stands are imaginatively titled North, East, South and the West Stand (although they are sponsored too) it really is a soulless place. I hope we never go down this route with ground development.
Hi...just back,,,and a brief one from me...
I agree with most of the above.
Awful first half,,like watching schoolboys bunching one side of the pitch...but MM changed it at half time to bring Jarvis on and widen the play.
Collins ,,,best player on pitch...closely followed by Ward, and i thought Edwards had a good game.
Men of the match..without doubt....the dozen or so santas on the right side who with 5 mins to go , left " The North Pole!!!"....to start a conga
Also took me 45 mins to go 2 miles to M18 !!
Good win and day thou
Just another thing about today...the pitch looked as if it had been shortened by about 3 metres at our end...new lines, worn grass..old lines showing through.
Can they do that midway through a season...or were the markings for something else?
They have egg chasing there too.
Well, that was crap.
Found a pub with the Blues v Reading match on, only 10 mins walk to the ground although you had to cross a muddy field !
Donny fans singing in the pub with an impressive repertoire. Particularly liked the Partridge in a Pear Tree Song. ........my true love sent to me...six strikers, five striiiiikerrrrs. Four strikers, three strikers, two strikers...and..a...striker....who....can...score....goals....! The brother-in-law informs me on the way up that he had a dream in the week that Neil Collins scores the winner, I kid you not. Bloody hope he's not required says I.
Get in the ground, hear the team news, said brother-in-law disappears off to Ladbrokes !
First half, we were awful, they looked like they were just waiting for us to score and when they realised we weren't they gained confidence. Our left hand side was a disaster, I thought Hill was playing centre-half, couldn't pass the ball and couldn't hold the ball upfront.
The two changes were correct and surprisingly well timed. Straight away, we retained possession and caused their defence problems they didn't have first half. Trouble was our delivery into the box was terrible apart from the free-kick that got us the goal. Cue jubilant scenes, especially big gambler brother-in-law who'd had Â£2 @ 25/1 for Collins to score the first goal. Never felt in danger after that but not a good performance at all.
Hennessey - Made a couple of great saves early on, routine second half.
Foley - Comfortable defensively but suffered from lack of options going forward. Should have squared a couple of balls late on but greedily tried to add to his tally.
Collins - Played well, Donny played to his strengths but he did the basics and scored the vital goal.
Stearman - Good performance.
Hill - Poor, out of position too frequently.
Kightly - Poor, couldn't get going, looked lethargic yet knocked in the free-kick for the goal.
Edwards - Busy busy but lacked quality.
Henry - Worked his $$$$$$$$ off to keep us going during long spells of $$$$ness.
Ward - Crap in midfield, good at left back, apart from his abysmal crosses.
SEB - Struggled through with mainly poor service but leaden booted today.
Keogh - Terrible, lightweight in the extreme and constantly failed to keep possession.
Iwelumo - Big impact on his return, giving Donny plenty to think about.
Jarvis - Quiet due to lack of decent balls in the right areas but his mere presence pinned their first half danger man back second half.
Vokes - Very good. Got well involved for 20 mins.
In the pub in Burton for ten past six.
Poor performance, three points, move on.
Quite an enjoyable day!! my mates made me wear a i love pies t-shirt which got me a few funny looks all day!! I was a bit worried about the local police after reading some not too favourable comments about them on here, but when they pulled our mini-bus over on the motorway slip road they were quite good. We wanted to go to the dome complex, but compromised and escorted us to a bomb site in the middle of some high rise flats, (the Chatsworth estate had nothing on this place!!). We had a pint in the pub there then they came back for us at 2.30 to escort us to the ground.
The match was absolutley dreadful first half, apart from a manic spell when we hit the bar twice in a couple of seconds we did nothing. Was very surprised that MM made the changes at half time because he usually waits for the hour mark, glad he did though because it made the game much more bearable!!
Hennessey-7 one geat save when he pushed a shot onto the bar. Worry every time the ball comes into the box though as he is not commanding enough for my liking.
Foley -6 didn't have a lot to do defensively, didn't get forward enough.
Stearman -7 quite solid, must be difficult when you build up an understanding with a fellow centre half then someone else comes in
Collins - 8.5 looked very good on the ball, which is usually his weak point, really didn't look like scoring upto that point so a big well done to him.
Hill -5 Not convinced, Ward offers more to our team, their wingback had the beating of him.
Kightly -2 he only gets a 2 because of the assist. Been rubbish for a while now, today he looked totally disinterested. We need someone to cahllenge for his place. There has been talk of him being a Â£6m player, on his current form we would struggle to get the Â£25,000 we paid for him.
Edwards -5 too erratic, not as composed as jones. I prefer him as an impact player with half hr to go, or even behind a lone frontman.
Henry- 7 Quiet first half, bossed things in the second
Ward- 5 first half (out of position) 7 second half back home at left back!
Keogh -3 I really really want to see him do well but did nothing today, deservedly subbed
SEB -6 he really tried, you can't fault his workrate but he was far too isolated
Iwelumu- 7 the strength that we needed
Jarvis- 7 must start next game, because Kites is giving us no width at the moment. Looked lively as usual, not given enough of the ball though.
Vokes- 6 Put himself about a bit lokking like a real centre forward, could do with a goal
Excellent three points and ones that could make a real difference at the end of the season.
The performance was shocking first half, but MM made immediate changes and we responded straight away with a much improved second half display.
Doncaster looked neat and tidy, but with little cutting edge. I was, however, very impressed with their defence, who looked completely at ease until big chris came on.
Special mention must go to the fans, who turned up in huge numbers. If it wasn't for us, it would have been a morgue and the right hand corner was in good voice throughout.
Are we starting to believe????
Hennessey 8: Excellent display, topped off by the tip onto the bar in the fist half. Kept three clean sheets in a row now and he's played a big part in this.
Foley 7: Solid display, but a few more mistakes than normal. Still an excellent half-season Kev!
Hill 6: Did ok against a very good right side for Doncaster. Wasn't surprised when he was subbed as I think S Ward is the better option.
Collins 9: Fantastic display. Won everything aerially, dominated his man and scored the winner. Topped it all with a cryuff turn with five minutes to go.
Stearman 6: I worry about this lad as he continually switches off leaving him having to make a last ditch tackle or, in today's case, resulting in a one-on-one which Hennessey saved. Still can't argue with three clean sheets I suppose.
Kightly 5: As many have said, MK is going through a difficult time at the moment. He really needs to ignore all the nonsense, realise he's not maradonna and get back to doing what he does best. Still made the assist, but he did have about eight chances to beat the first man.
Edwards 5: Awful, awful distribution. Impact player for me, so can we have DJ back next game please? In fact, I'd go one stage further and look to bring in another CM in the summer.
Henry 8: A true captain's performance in the second half, winning countless challenges and surging forward. Well done Karl.
Ward 7: Satisfactory as a winger, excellent as a left back.
SEB 5: Didn't get a sniff today, thanks mainly to some excllent work by their centre back and terrible creative play by us in the first half.
Keogh 5: Just never convinced he's going to contribute anything and for that reason he should have been subbed.
Big Chris 7: Helped to change the game by giving them something different to think about and also in his hold-up play.
Jarvis 6: Not as threatening as at QPR
Vokes 7: Won loads when he came on and was important near the end when we were looking to close out the game.
Mick 8: Changes quick and immediate and it paid off. The spirit he has engendered with the players was evident at the end and in Collins' outstanding performance.
The Keepmoat - Excellent facilities, but an absolute concrete bowl devoid of any identity and atmosphere.
Was very disappointed at the atmosphere, which apart from ten schoolkids on the right hand side was virtually non-existent. The fact that they were having a go at how we celebrated on their site says everything about what they are using to seeing and hearing.
As everyone says awful 1st half, much better in the second and mighty relieved when we got that goal. Another victory towards automatic promotion.
Hennessey - 7
Foley - 6
Stearman - 6
Collins - 8
Hill - 6
Kightly - 5
Edwards - 5
Henry - 7
Ward - 6
SEB - 6
Keogh - 6
Iwelumo - 7
Vokes - 7
Jarvis - 6
Thanks for the reports guys
Hennessey - Good save onto the bar, generally pretty solid but a scary moment late in the 2nd half where he came too far for the ball, had to try not to handle it and then pushed their striker over in the box. 7
Foley - Bit off his game, few misplaced passes, but did get forward with a few good lay-offs 6
Collins - Couple of minor mistakes, looked 50/50 when he got booked and scored... a typical Collins performance! 7
Stearman - Solid if unspectacular. Managed a few runs forward and drew some fouls. 7
Hill - Didn't seem to do much at all really, very forgettable. 5
Kightly - Not at all up to usual standards, got the assist but can't remember a single mazy run and only a couple of times running on the edge of the box. 6
Edwards - Came in and out of the game. Didn't add too much in attack IMO and left Henry to do the defending. 6
Henry - Donny seemed to be playing a lot of forward balls that Henry probably could have been stopping. Did get forward towards the end though. 6
Ward - Largely ineffective at left wing but much more solid at LB. 6
SEB - Sometimes he has games where he does nothing and then scores. Today he did nothing and didn't score, it just wasn't his day. 3. Seems OTT, but SEB literally added nothing today.
Keogh - Very unlucky to hit the bar with a guided effort, and maybe snatched at the second one that hit the post. Like SEB wasn't involved much otherwise. 6
Iwelumo - Made the difference, gave us another option. Not much goal threat, but brought other players in and helped us keep the ball upfront. 7
Jarvis - Looked lively and had pace to burn, but seems to ALWAYS be looking to have a race with the full-back for the through ball, at times yesterday Ward had no option other than to try an inch perfect pass past the defender but without putting it out for a goal-kick. In a less congested game he'd have done better. 6
Vokes - As usual had a few chances and probably had the most goal threat of any of our forwards. 7
Make no mistake, we played badly but Donny aren't a bad side, they don't look far short of being a mid-table team, just didn't take their chances. They should've been at least 1 up by the time we scored, but equally in the last 10 minutes we could have scored 1 or 2 more... I expect a lot of Wolves fans won't have seen that though, having too much fun in the conga!!
I know this is not a verdict, but bloody hell I had to post, I don't think I've ever seen one of those before, it's like a sighting of a rare and endangered species- a Foley getting less than 7 verdict! Is the End of Days approaching?! Do I need to paint myself white and hide under the kitchen table?
Haha I knew a 6 would cause some controvesy! The whole team were just a bit off and though Foley did OK he didn't deserve his usual 7. Had Kites been a bit more involved maybe Foley would've found it easy to shine, as it was he was forced into trying to do too much.
It was a really enjoyable day out yesterday. We managed to find the Fitzwilliam Arms (Kenny posted the information for it on here last week, so thanks for that) even though it was in the middle of a dodgy-looking estate. A nice meal of pie, chips, gravy and mushy peas was accompanied by plenty of beer.
The ground was unimpressive and situated in bland surroundings but it was tidy atleast. Like many other new grounds it was "nice" but certainly missing something.
As others have said, we were poor in the first half and, apart from that amazing sequence of quickfire chances, created nothing. The introduction of Iwelumo and Jarvis gave us energy and the early impetus in the second half; however, no one seemed eager to have a dig and their keeper was rarely troubled. Doncaster defended well but, just as it was heading for stalemate, our much maligned third choice centre back won us the game. It was one of the first headers we had won in their box all match.
Hennessey: Great save onto the bar in the first half. Lucky not to give away a penalty in the second.
Foley: Good display as usual but he did make a few sloppy passes in the second half. We were on top at one point but he played a really poor ball that rolled out of play when everyone was pouring into the box.
Stearman: Brang the ball out of defence as usual. Didn't let much past.
Collins: A good display capped with a goal. Obviously Mancienne is the first choice but he does bring an added option at set pieces. Deserves to start the next game.
Hill: Didn't do much wrong but most of Doncaster's joy came down our left side during the first half.
Kightly: I do think people expect too much from him but he was poor today. I don't agree with this view that he is trying to do too much though. He'll get back to his bext soon. His booking came about from trying to win the ball back from his own sloppy ball. Never hides and made a few important tackles when tracking back late on.
Henry: Dominated by a tidy Doncaster midfield in the first half. Drove the team on in the second.
Edwards: Not convinced that he gives as much to the team as Jones does from the start. Can't fault his effort but he just lacks that bit of quality needed to dominate a midfield battle.
Ward: Mr Versatile is having a great season. Had a tidy game but is more effective at left back.
Keogh: Unlucky not to score today. Good finish for his first effort that hit the bar and then powered the second one against the post. Still the correct decision to take him off though. Iwelumo had to come on.
Ebanks: Didn't get a sniff. Hopefully will be back with a bang on Friday.
Iwelumo: The game was crying out for him. He delivered with a powerful display. Has a great presence.
Jarvis: Gave the side an added dimension. Doncaster marshalled him fairly well though.
Vokes: Another tidy display. Going to be a very good player.
Great support in terms of numbers today but you can tell everyone is nervous. It's a shame that so many channel this by getting on the players backs when it is not going so well. Good atmosphere once we were infront though.
All in all, an excellent win against one of the meanest home defences in ther league. They had only conceded ONE goal at home in the previous three months. Bring on Boxing Day.
The most moronic comment i think i've have ever heard on Molineux Mix.
Yes he was poor today but guess what he supplied the cross for the goal that won us the game.
Kightly has got some very undeserved stick this last few games. He is our most important player by an absolute mile.
We wouldn't get 25k for him? ...
He's not going to play well for 50 games a season you tool! No attacking player does in any side. He'll come back strong towards the end of the season but at least he's on the pitch for us and provides a problem for the opposition by merely being there.
Superb cross for the goal I might add.
Nicely put Proud. Yes Kightly's not been at his best recently but what would you do if you were an opposing Manager? Think "oh he's been $$$$ lately so we don't need to bother marking him" Very dangerous thing to do especially with a player as influential as Kightly.
Stuart Pearce doesn't rate him very highly for no good reason.
Did you even go to the game PAL??? because I don't see your review on here. On current form he offers very little to our team. Yes he supplied the cross for the goal, but messed up countless set pieces throughout the game. I don't want to knock him because I know he is a class act, but I am confused to why he looks so disinterested.
P.S. your message was edited by Mutchy so I'm guessing you had a little more to say. PM me and we'll have a chat about it
Glad to see you have edited it yerself as the first edit was way over the top
The story of his life hey??
I dont want to waste another 45 minutes against Sheff U to learn what everyone already knows, that Iwelumo has to start.
But according to GlasgowWolf, once Keogh went off we were useless upfront! However these ratings would make you believe the complete opposite.
He isn't bothered and yet the reason he got booked was because he was trying to win back a ball he lost! You couldn't make it up could you.
7 goals and 11 assists, hardly $$$$. We simply can't drop him.
Agreed. If fit, he plays. End of.
The most important player for us since Steve Bull.
I stopped reading after this.
Think your forgetting the impact and loss of Mark Kennedy through injury in the choke season. Kightly's impact is very similar.
Given Blues were beaten, it was imperative we capitalised and extended our lead at the top. Also it we had dropped points to the bottom of the table team, it would have spurred on the chasing pack and dented our confidence. On that basis alone, this was arguably one of the most important wins of the season. Thankyou Neil.
That said, we got away with it to some degree, as Mick picked the wrong starting X1 and we so nearly dropped points as a result. Without two wingers, we lack width and attacking threat. Ward is not a winger full stop. Keough is a useful squad player but not a goal scorer. Edwards is a good player to have on the bench but Jones is a better midfield player.
Leaving out Jarvis, Iwelumo and Jones is like trying to win a game with one arm tied behind your back. I hope against Sheff Utd, we start with our proper first team out.
If I agree with what you say I'll openly agree.
There are too many on here who just see a posters name and disagree for the sake of it.
I agree that Iwelumo has to start the next game and was surprised he wasn't on from the start against Donny. That said, Keogh was unlucky with those two chances.
On the subject of Kightly, he was getting quite a bit of stick around me on Saturday. I really don't agree with this assumption that he "doesn't look interested". He was still tracking back and winning tackles in the last few minutes despite being on a booking. He might not be at his best but he's still highly influential.
Those saying kightly doesn't look interested are simply stupid.
Yeah, only missed one game all season - Norwich away.
He was poor on Saturday i agree but had he not have been on the pitch, he wouldn't have supplied the cross for the goal. He isn't going to play like a world beater every week. Would you drop Ronaldo for two or three poor performances? No, thought not. And thats how important Kightly is to us, just as important as Ronaldo is to Manure.
I don't think it has anything to do with disinterest. He's just going through a period of average form. Do you honestly think Mccarthy would pick him (knowing what sort of manager he is) if Kightly had even given a hint of lack of interest? I don't.
Kightly has been poor for months though the QPR game for example, something's not quite right - what he needs is some competition for his place liven his ideas up a little!!
Apart from Doncaster and QPR when has he really been poor?
You say poor but do you not just mean, by his standards poor because there is a major difference.
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