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Do you lot actually want to go up?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by mrboing, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. mrboing

    mrboing Senior Member

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    Not a wind up, a genuine question, based on conversation with some mates who are Wolves fans. I was just reading the thread comparing your current side & season to other promtion seasons youve had. I was talking to one lad the other day saying you reminded me of our 99 side that finished 6th, not the complete package but goals and confidence coming at a good time and a crowd that was more patient than other seasons due to expectation levels.

    Some of them say to me they think it's too early to go up but realistically who deep down ever wants their side to spend another season at a lower level, however hard the jump is?

    Jackett has done an incredible job really, hard to see whether he has ever had the chance to prove that he can go that step further than McCarthy seems capable of and manage as effectively at the top level.

    Anyway, it makes a rare change to have a spell where both clubs (in context) are having a relatively positive time of things.

    Of what I've seen of the Champ, on and off, Norwich and Derby look like the two sides with genuine quality all over the park. I saw Bournemouth beat us earlier in the year and thought they looked very decent, but if you make somehwere between 3rd & 6th i'd say itll be a flip of a coin between the sides beneath the eventual top 2.
     
  2. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Yes I would love to go up....

    I have a dream, a Perfect Season

    Wolves Promoted, Baggies Relegated
     
  3. Poole Wolf

    Poole Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    You are joking. I'm emigrating to Thailand this year. Premier equals coverage, Championship equals exile to outer space, we may as well not exist.

    Oh and I hope Baggies stay up if we make it. Great local derby. Great for the Midlands, someone will need to replace Villa.
     
  4. mrboing

    mrboing Senior Member

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    I'm sure you do :D
     
  5. Paul76

    Paul76 Just doesn't shut up

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    No. We want to get relegated so we can take 10k2Mk again.
     
  6. mrboing

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    Very true, global media wise they are worlds apart. And even if you live here you get to go to bed at least half an hour earlier on a Saturday.
     
  7. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    I knew you would like it :D
     
  8. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    Absolutely 100% yes. The Sky money alone means it is never too early to go up.

    We have the nucleus of a decent, young side but being realistic, only Sako (who we'll lose if we don't go up) and Afobe look genuine Premier League quality so we would have to invest very wisely to have a chance of staying up.

    The longer we're away though, the bigger the gap becomes - as illustrated by the fact that Dorrans who is surplus to requirements at your place is seen as a huge coup for a Championship side.

    As monotonous and predictable as the Premier League is, it is the only place to be.
     
  9. ginboomerang

    ginboomerang Just doesn't shut up

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    Yes.

    Financial implications plus my pride has been hurting for too long.

    Then ditch Moxey, he's had two goes at it and cocked it up both times claiming lessons have been learnt, I've learnt he's a $$$$.
     
  10. mrboing

    mrboing Senior Member

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    Yep, agreed on all points. I also think with the high possibility of Villa going the other way, it's probably an even better time to leap out of The Champ.
     
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    arctic rime Just doesn't shut up

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    JW Just doesn't shut up

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    Yes for the thrill of going up, but once up the premier league prices are a joke and not really affordable
     
  13. sensiblewolf

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    Any fan that doesn't want us to get promoted isn't a fan as far as I'm concerned
     
  14. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

    WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax Moderator

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    Yes. We'd get demolished with the current squad but I feel we'll shed the remaining deadwood in the summer and be in a position to shape a squad ready for an attempt to survive. There's a nucleus of good enough players, Ikeme, Stearman, Sako, Afobe, but we'd need to add big style to be competitive. Stay down and we lose Sako which would be an immense set back. There's certainly an argument that it'd be too soon to get promoted but you can simply assume we'd finish higher next year.
     
  15. QB Wolf

    QB Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    You can't pick and choose when you go up, so if opportunity knocks, you've got to go for it.
     
  16. Rhoswolf

    Rhoswolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Agree about Moxey, personally not sure I want promotion with ticket cost in Premiership but good for all the local fans who can stream games.
     
  17. ginboomerang

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    I have a plan to counter away ticket prices.
     
  18. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    The annoying thing is that the journey to get there is so much more exciting than the actual Premier League itself.

    A question in return for you Mr. Boing? It must get fairly boring knowing that a great season in the Premier League is to finish somewhere around 14th/15th with no chance in hell of breaking into the top four. After the Mel and Irvine 'eras', would you swap one year in the Premier League if you could guarantee coming straight back up as Champions of the Championship? Silverware, feel-good factor of seeing your team win every week?
     
  19. andyc225

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    Yes, the Sky bunce takes priority over things like "building for the future".
     
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    Yes purely from the financial aspect. The stupid ko times frustrate mind
     
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    As I said on another thread I was at the poorthorns yesterday and both teams looked very average to me.

    one moment of quality made the goal and then Albion just let saints play it in front of them. I wouldnt be happy with pulis tactics but it worked, however I wouldn't be afraid of playing either team.

    Pelle for saints was awful, reminded me of the Hoff. Didn't win a header all game.

    So yes lets go up as you may aswell give it a go, look at Orient in league one after how they played last season
     
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    Rhoswolf Just doesn't shut up

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    As a business agree totally, but as a spectator not so sure.
     
  23. Mr Wolf

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    There is no such thing with going up with a team that is ready, look at Leicester. You get up & appoint a manager that knows how to keep you up.
     
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    I suppose in a way Tring, you hit part of the essence of why I asked the question and where the original conversation I had stems from. Wanting promotion to the Prem sometimes seems to me like wanting to burn your own house down so you can enjoy the bonfire.

    The direct answer is no, as we did that in 2008, however, I have two ambitions both of which are achievable if difficult - to see us win a cup and therefore also play in Europe. Thankfully, Pulis takes cups far more seroiusly than most of our previous managers and games such as Bournemouth 4th round this year and Ipswich quarter final a couple of years back are games we are far more likely to win under him.

    I can tolerate the finishing between 11th and 17th thing when we are playing with the gusto that we are at the moment - but i'm sure there are elements of that that will wear thin. I think like most of you lot with Jackett era though, you can take a lot more as a fan when the players actually play like they give a $$$$.
     
  25. Smithy

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    I don't think the question is do we want to go up. The obvious awnser is yes, of course. The real question is will people see missing out on promotion this season, and seeing the summer as a platform to build a much stronger push for next season to go for promotion as a missed opportunity.

    Personally as much as promotion this season would be great I would still greatly applaud the efforts of a strong season and anticipate a big push next season.
     
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    Agree largely, I think partly as a consenquence of us having to play that way until we dont have to (if that makes sense). It doesnt make games good to watch, but we havent got 4 clean sheets on the spin at that level through luck either. I'd also say your observation can be applied to virtually all the bottom half at the moment. Pulis said the other week that every clean sheet at that level is worth over 2 points when all factors added up. At the moment, if we 1-0 our way to a semi or a final and safety, i'll take that.
     
  27. Tring Wolf

    Tring Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Winner 2011-2012 and r

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    Cheers for the reply - agree with all of that.

    Have to admit, they're pretty similar to my dreams for Wolves too. Have heard all the stories about the great floodlit European nights at Molineux and would love to just sample one of them myself.

    Unfortunately, with our record in the Cups, we probably do actually have a better chance of making it via a top four Premier League finish...
     
  28. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Like I've said any team can compete with Hull, Burnley, Leciester & QPR I really don't understand what there is to fear. Posters who think we need to build instead of going up I really don't get.
     
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    It wasn't just the 10 men behind the ball MrB if was he horrific time wasting. From about the 10th minute Foster was taking the $$$$, Dowd looked over at Pulis and outstretched his arms as if to say "we playing this game with 80 mins left?"
    It was an obvious tactic from him and I can't believe the ref took another 50 mins to book him, even if it was a different ref.
    couldn't watch that week in week out
     
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    I agree completely, there were some very cynical elements involved. But at that level, in the position we are in, it's the sort of stuff that makes the difference between above or below the dividing line. I've no argument with those that say they hate that side of the game. Personally, i'll make those judgements next season when I see if he gets us playing like his Palace did or his Stoke did. Love him or hate him, the difference between our organisation, fitness and tempo now to 2 momths ago is just a different planet. He's a leader and i'm happy.

    Anyway, thanks for all the replies, you're hitting form at the right time and in my eyes Wolves always do better when no one has been expecting much, so who knows. I don't want a derby-free Prem, and if you don't go up, ive no dount that's what it will be.
     
  31. WarstonesWolf

    WarstonesWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Yes is the only place to be, it would be fantastic if we could do it this season.
     
  32. Leigh72

    Leigh72 Just doesn't shut up

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    You cannot and should not, pick and choose when to go up, whether the board will back the manager properly is the only question, but the riches on offer make it a no-brainer.
     
  33. Erick1011

    Erick1011 MolMix Poster of the Season 2012-2013

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    Interesting thread, Mr. Boing. In my opinion, promotion is there for the taking, and if we don't go up this season, we could regret it. Sako will be out of contract in the summer, and that will be a huge loss for us. It's not easy to replace a 10+ goals a season winger, and even if we bring someone of genuine quality, it's hard to say if they'd fit right in. Add to that, the fact that some sides such as Villa could be coming down, and we'd have to hit the season running from the off. Can't count on form, injuries and even luck to be the same next season. We could buy someone to replace Sako, and he could get injured on his first game. I mean, there's always Boukari! :D
     
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    Nah, Boukari is gearing himself for the 2018 Premier League campaign.
     
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    singwolf_1 Just doesn't shut up

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    Promotion of course! I want to see some Wolves shirts on the streets of Singapore being worn by someone other than me and Fullmoon ;-)
     
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    Do you actually wanna go down?

    After all you would win more games in the Championship, stop with the stupid posts.
     
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    Thrill of going up would be great
    Misery of trying to stay up would also be great
     
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    Mugwump Just doesn't shut up

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    I would love us to go up. What's the point of having a football team to support if they don't challenge themselves.
     
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    But there is such a thing as being more prepared.

    You can go up with a side that just needs 3 or 4 additions to be good enough to stay up - or you can go up with a squad that is nowhere near Premiership quality and need 9 or 10+ players to be good enough to stay up.

    This team is inconsistent as it is in the Championship - so in the Premiership, it'll get dicked every week.

    If we go up with this squad, we'll need a lot of money putting in to buy the right players - and we're just not going to put the amount of money required into the side.

    So do we really want to see us go up, get dicked every week, sack Jackett in January when the fans inevitably start booing and turning on the team each week - and then go through the managerial merry go round and rebuilding process all over again, which will set us back again?

    Our last relegation from the Premiership set us back years.

    It amazes me that the impatience of our fans makes them prefer a one season trip back the the Premiership, with over inflated ticket prices, the inevitable dicking, managerial sacking and squad rebuild upon relegation rather than spending an extra season down here and getting ourselves better prepared first.

    Our fans are far too impatient. We seem to think we have a god given right to be in the Premiership - and if we're not there, we'll have a good sulk about it.

    It would be irrelevant whether we have Jackett or Mourinho as manager in the Premiership - we'll never be able to compete financially. We haven't got the money - and even if we did, Morgan and Moxey will not spend it because they're too conservative.
     
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  40. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Expectation can really affect our crowd i admit, but in the premier it didnt help much when we didnt expect much.

    No doubt Pulis has worked his usual wonders, tho his effect tends to level out (inevitably) after a while. Got to give it t Peace tho, I just wish we had had him and you had had Moxey last 15 years, I have little doubt we would be in reverse places. I know thats harsh on moxey in some ways, but I think Peace is on a different level to Moxey.
     

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