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Delusional from Jackett

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  1. wolvesjoe

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    http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2015/03/05/wolves-wont-recall-george-saville-just-yet/

    Some very ill-judged and ominous remarks from Jackett in his latest interview.

    Apart from the obvious BS about Saville, who now cant even make the bench at League One level, he goes onto indirectly defend himself for putting in Edwards over Price in the midfield. He claims that Edwards has been connected with good results during his time at Wolves, but by the same token Price has the best stats of the whole squad.

    And a blind man can see how poorly Edwards has played in most of his games as the holding midfielder.

    This looks like Jackett showing his stubborn side to me, digging his heels in in the face of an obvious selection mistake. I fear that he will continue with using Edwards there, and us slumping out of the playoff picture. This stubborness is his achilles heel I fear.
     
  2. andyc225

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    Saville has little to offer at Wolves. He was a poor buy and needs to be chalked up to experience. Move him on if possible in the summer.
     
  3. Penk Wolf

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    From past experiences, Jackett usually does the opposite to what he says to the press and I guess this also applies when talking about the above.

    You also have to have a think about how the question was put to Jackett.
     
  4. Mr Wolf

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    We all know you prefer Price but we got rolled over vs Norwich with him in the middle then Edwards came in & we did win 3/4 so I wouldn't say he's been poor & it didn't work.

    It was a mistake to drop Price from his wide midfield role mid week but KJ did go for pace on the break it seems.
     
  5. Tring Wolf

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    How I see it too, even if I would personally play Price ahead of Edwards in a midfield two.

    And when it comes to stats, we got over-run at Bolton and Norwich when we played a midfield two of Price and McDonald (Price came off when we were losing at Bolton). He also played in a two with Evans when we lost at home to Northampton. So we have lost (were losing) in 3 out of 13 games when Price started as opposed to around 8 in 30 with Edwards (which should actually be 7 as he went off after 10 minutes at Ipswich). The percentages this year aren't that different.
     
  6. those were the days

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    If anyone has progammes to hand, be interesting to see which Wolves player has the best points per game record for games they've started since Jackett joined. My guess is Stearman, Dicko, Golbourne and Price wld also be up near the top along with Edwards.
     
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    It would be Price, who has only been involved in 2 league defeats.
     
  8. Penk Wolf

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    Obviously before Jackett, but it used to be Matt Hill, which tells you all you need to know about points per game ratio for individuals.
     
  9. xbomber

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    We are all frustrated that there is a strong chance we are not promotion material this season.

    That said we've come a massive way in two seasons. Cast your mind back this time 2 years ago. Forest rolled us over 3-1. We then scraped a win v Bristol City (when Doyle used to sometimes score) the following week and then had a couple of nice wins around Easter. Then it went to $$$$. Bolton beat us. We lost a 6 pointer to $$$$ing Huddersfield after taking the lead. Charlton, Burnley beatings at home and then Brighton. We all know about Brighton.

    The most depressing time to be a Wolves fan.

    The work Jackett did in then stripping out the poison and bouncing us back up should never be forgotten. He's earned the right to make a few mistakes and unlike some of his predecessors he at least talks through his logic.

    I think some people need to get used to the idea that we're not likely to go up this year and never were. This year is about removing the final remnants of an awful few seasons and get in our new Paul Ince midfielder bedded for next season.

    Next season could be a very good season for us. At last.
     
  10. Tring Wolf

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    Am almost certain it would be Price. I just think it's too simplistic to say that the reason we lost was having Edwards centrally considering we had the exact same issue of being over-run in the two away games prior to that.

    Edwards and McDonald have started 6 games together as a central two. We've won 4 and lost 2 (both against Bournemouth and the first of those should have been a win). It's not a bad record even if I would personally prefer Price there.

    I think they are both better in their respective positions in a 3-man midfield.
     
  11. FLEET WOLF

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    I agree with a lot of this, to an extent and I think it also worth noting that all managers make mistakes. All I shall say is that for next season we may have to re-build to cover potential losses in the summer-quite probably Sako and there may be one or two others. The other point really is that I think any club with a half decent chance of going up should go for it, in the sense of signings. All clubs need to spend a lot of money going into the PL, but in my view, the longer we leave it, the worse it gets and my worry is that we could stagnate in this league for a few years.
     
  12. Edgmond Wolf

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    Always like your positive posts :rolleyes:
     
  13. PREM.L.L

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    Good post. I think if it happens then great, like Jackett says we'll worry about it when it happens. If we're in this position next season Jackett will be gone. This season though it's a terrific feat.
     
  14. Essex Wolf

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    Bottom line is that the midfield area still needs improvement as it has all season long.

    FWIW I like Edwards and feel he gets maligned unfairly at times but also recognise that this chop changing around in midfield can't really help and tends to indicate KJ still doesn't know what's best.

    Find and then bring in the quality midfield player that's so clearly needed.
     
  15. RosehillWolf

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    On what basis is next year going to be any better? This year this League is bang average, when Leicester, Burnley and QPR drop it will be even harder than this year
    We will also lose Sako, and so please tell me who is going to chip in with his performance and goals from this year
    Couple this with a very unambitious board and lethargy in transfer markets and I would say its mid table fodder again next year
     
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    I tend to agree with this, up to a point-we might be better next year, provided we 'replace' Sako and bring in say 3 other players better than we have. However, I think both Burnley and QPR will lose buckets loads of their decent players, but perhaps not so much Leicester. It will be, as ever, a very competitive league.
     
  17. PREM.L.L

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    Yeah because Fulham, Cardiff and Wigan have stormed it this year.......
     
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    in jacketts interview about Saturdays game he took the opportunity to mention Watford building their squad consistently before mentioning our need to play to our upmost ability. don't know if its me, but he always seem to manage to get a mention about strengthening the squad as a regular and necessary action to achieve success but it constantly falls on deaf ears.
     
  19. mikic

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    Every manager could do better than they are currently. The thread title is unfair imo and kj should be given time and credit for what he has achieved thus far.

    Remember where we were when he took over.
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    Sadly I agree.
     
  21. xbomber

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    As prem said, Wigan, Fulham and Cardiff (and us not too long ago) and many other examples show how more often than not a case of a team on the slide dropping in and conquering all. In fact I'm struggling to think of some examples. Even toon with all their resources made hard work of it.

    Look it's just my opinion but... almost two seasons ago we needed creativity in the middle. Mcdonald arrived. Left back was a perennial issue... Golbourne. Recently we blatantly needed a reinforcement up front and our friend Afobe arrived. We are not operating in a vacuum and they will have a whole list drawn up for when we sadly lose Sako.

    What I'll give you though, and what I would struggle to defend the club though... is the risk aversion and lack of speed getting deals done. I think they were right last window as Delort turned out to be horrendous, Graham on paper should have been good and not convinced on Wood BUT this last month I would have loved them to have gambled on a top quality central midfielder. A Dave Edwards with skill.

    I think they've left out too late now. Would love to be proved wrong. Could have been the difference.
     
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    The team we have now is one midfielder off a solid play off team, as it stands at the start of next season we will be at least a central midfielder and a top quality winger off a play off side. Assuming no injuries and no players other than Sako going. Next season will certainly be no easier.
     
  23. bigbadwolftoo

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    KJ has made some strange team selections of late, IMHO.

    Edwards and MacDonald with 2 showboaters in Sako and RVLP, doesn't make the midfield anywhere near tight enough for a match like at Bournemouth and probably for a reasonably free scoring on the break team like Watford.

    We ain't good enough to go completely out and out for it I don't think. I would go with a tighter central 2 of Price and MacDonald, Sako and Henry. Goldboune and Iorfa to give some impetus from the back (same as Mel Eves suggestions in fact in the B+S).

    KJ needs players and he knows it. The unambitious upper management see to that, missing the opportunity of all seasons to have a go for it this year.

    Signings this year 1 good one, one poor one. The frees nothing special and just squad fodder.

    Morgan has a reputation for being a tight-ar*e. Any fellow Scouser of his will tell you that; I think we can confirm it.
     
  24. xbomber

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    I can see both of your points. And I agree Kenny had hardly had a black cheque book. I've airways thought that. I think it'll be a repeat of last season's close season and we'll see re the midfielder and winger.

    It's telling that when we've been bettered this season it's normally by a higher team with more resources. Recently at least. Team's with bigger resources show up the weak links but Kenny can only play the cards he has and keep things positive. I absolute don't agree this makes him delusional though. He's said many times he's trying to build something here and we're getting a young team with potential. My view would be let him get on with it.
     
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    As far as I am concerned the man deserves only praise for totally transforming our fortunes (at a small cost) and dramatically reducing the overall wage bill.
    We easily could have found ourselves still stuck in League 1 as there is no guarantee any other manager would have succeeded at the first attempt, whilst having to make so many wholesale changes.
    All this has been achieved at an overall transfer deficit of just under £2million with an incredible 20 odd players going out the door and the following 15 new players brought in :

    S Ricketts, K Mcdonald, S Golbourne, J Henry, N Dicko, M Jacobs, L Clarke, T Rowe, G Saville, RVLP, B Afobe, K Hause, J Graham, T Kuszczak and A Simpson.
    Amongst these are at least two gems, four or five very decent, three
    or four better than average, one or two still to prove themselves and one or two poor buys.

    Overall a splendid bit of player purchasing with a very high success rate.

    With 11 games to go we're still in the hunt for a play-off place although
    I do believe we will just fall short and curse the fact we were not ambitious enough; just 2 more quality players could have guaranteed another promotion from a very weak Championship. (next season will be considerably tougher)

    You never know, KJ might manage to squeeze a bit more out of his very small but very gutsy squad.
    Fingers crossed.
     
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    Not sure I agree that if Wolves are on the edge of playoffs this time next year, KJ will be gone. At least I hope not. MM's second year in the Champ with us was a tread-water season, just outside the playoffs, but then he followed that with promotion and 3 years in the PL. Building a successful first team and squad does not happen overnight. Now if the team drops into the lower half of the Champ next season (assuming we don't go up this season), I can see where KJ might not survive the year. But if this is really a long-term project, patience must be part of the equation, and patience and trust in leadership is atop that list.
     
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    Boooo Jackett out.

    O'Driscoll in.
     
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    Great post.
     
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    Great factual post
     
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    Completely agree I find it strange that people can criticise KJ considering the positives he has bought and the fact we're hardly invested with much gusto in the transfer market.
     
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    He's done well, but isn't above criticism for me. I'd say Afobe is hardly without gusto too!
     
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    I do agree with this
     
  33. Edgmond Wolf

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    This in Spades

    Kenny has changed our very culture, got rid of the cancer and has given kids a chance

    Long may it continue
     
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    Been an absolutely superb manager for us so far. Rebuilt practically the whole first team squad and doesn't get the credit he deserves. Some fans are deluded as to how far we have come under his tenor.
     
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    I have never believed that we are "just two players" short of winning promotion this year. These special two players (either transfer listed in January or available for loan now) don't really exist do they?

    KJ did a great job rebuilding the team to get us out of L1 - he needs to do the same again if we are going to get up next year. And the young players who have come to the fore this season will be even better next time round.
     
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    Couple of odd team selections and a few buys that haven't worked out for one reason or another. Other than that, the blokes worked $$$$in miracles. Anyone who can't see that is a clown.
     
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    And maybe some of these fans are not the ones who have been banging on about playoffs and even automatic promotion. Maybe that is where the delusion is. If KJ and co had put the emphasis on still building a team and lets see how far we can go, then we could recognise the progress more.
    Another factor comes into this though and that is especially games like Norwich where the team look disjointed and not trying. For all the good that Kenny has done he also has to take responsibility for the downsides aswell.
     
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    The pluses far outweigh the minuses imo.
     
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    Anyone that thinks Edwards has been poor needs their head reading. It also coincides with Kmac finding his best form.
     
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    Don't assume things will necessarily get any better next season... we should grasp the opportunity whilst it's here.
     

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