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Current midfield will cost us promotion.

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Veins Of Old Gold, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. The midfield didn't turn up against Sheffield United and tonight for a large spell of the game, until Ward came on it was being bypassed.

    What happened to pass and move?

    Dave Edwards is not good enough.

    Karl Henry seems to be running into constant brick walls mainly due to lack of movement.

    I've seen cases of Ebanks Blake coming back into his own half to collect the ball. This shouldn't be happening. We are sitting a little too deep at times.

    Get the cheque book out Morgan and Mick sign a decent,physical, quality central midfielder that can hold the ball up and help Henry out.

    If it costs £3mil so be it.
     
  2. dolmanrj

    dolmanrj Guest

    I agree that David Edwards isnt the answer, Jones should start ahead of him but if our current midfield has got us to top of the league 7 points clear before the new year, why cant they do the same in 2009 and win us promotion?We play better when Jones and Henry sit and let the front four do the attacking work, thats when we have been at our real best.
     
  3. How many times has Edwards started in those games though?

    He runs his $$$$ off but thats it really :confused:

    Jones is good at set pieces and can hold the ball up well, Edwards just bombs forward and if he can't find a striker or opening, loses posession.

    Any idea what the reasoning behind the lack of Jones has been lately?

    If Mick has doubts in him, he should sign a player that can do the job and if he costs a fair bit so be it.
     
  4. tomhughes395

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    I started a thread on this weeks ago and just got slated. Now it seems people are actually starting to realise the truth, we haven't got a good enough centre midfield!
     
  5. dolmanrj

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    Maybe he wanted to see what D.Edwards can really do?I agree that Edwards just runs around like a headless chicken and leaves Henry awfully exposed whereas Jones doesnt. I still think he should stick with Jones, hes good enough for this league and he proved at the start of the season that he is more than capable to take on that role and lead us to promotion.
     
  6. ice cream head

    ice cream head Just doesn't shut up

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    I don't see how you've come to the conclusion that the current midfield who have been regulars in a team that are 7 points clear at the top will cost us promotion. Are you drunk?

    However, Mark Davies will improve an already competent (for this league) central midfield.

    We may be out of sight by the end of Feb, because alongside Reading, Wolves are far, far too good for the majority of teams this division.
     
  7. Wolves are far far too good for who then? Did you watch the game tonight or go on boxing day?

    We've drawn against Blackpool? The midfield until ward came on did not turn up tonight. Likewise boxing day.

    We had a little spell, where Jarvis scored that highlighted a tad bit of quality. Are you happy with a draw against Blackpool, a team high flying Wolves should destroy in all honesty.

    Did Jones make an impact when he came on? Hardly.

    Sheffield United should have stuffed us on boxing day, we were $$$$ for vast spells of the game.

    There is no creativity from the center of the park at the moment. Distribution is atrocious.
     
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  8. dolmanrj

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    It is good enough, hence we wouldnt be in the position that we are in!Its like Birmingham with their strikers. They've got decent strikers but they havent scored as many goals as us but still have 51 points.
     
  9. PeteWolf

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    Dave Edwards is a useful player to come off the bench when we need something late on, but his (and our) problem is that he pushes too far forward, leaving Henry exposed and overrun. A little like Olofinjana in a way.

    If we're being honest, even Henry isn't good enough if we are to make it up, but before then, then we do need something different. Jones is the better option, Mark Davies certainly worth a try.
     
  10. Sedgley Wolf

    Sedgley Wolf Guest

    To say the current midfield will cost us promotion is a complete over-reaction.

    It is one area that we could improve but, as dolmanrj has said, the KH/DJ/DE trio has hardly let us down thus far. In any case, McCarthy will strengthen in January if need be.

    Why are Wolves fans so eager to press the panic button FFS?
     
  11. I think if Davies remains fit he will come straight into the side.

    It's frustrating seeing such a lack of creativity at the moment and Karl Henry struggling as if it's a 3 man midfield not a 4.

    Another worrying point is our midfield is being bypassed quite easily by players who wouldnt make our reserve team.
     
  12. rincewind

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    CM certainly the area that appears weakest but hey were 7 points clear!! If we avoid defeat at Blues and Reading we will be hard to catch.
     
  13. ice cream head

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    We're 7 points clear. What is the problem?

    Did you not witness the games when we tore teams to shreads, because if you did you must have a very short memory. We have lost 4 games out of 26 played. We have won 18 games out of 26, and yet you're claiming we've done this with a midfield that will cost us promotion? I don't think so.

    If we carry on in this vein, we will have 105 points by the end of the season.
     
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  14. I think we'll pick a draw up at best at Reading with the current midfield.

    I'm hoping Davies will be in the side by then.

    He is on a months loan at Leicester is he not?
     
  15. Powelly

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    It's harsh on the midfield to blame them for the boxing day game..

    for a start Sheff U are amongst the hardest teams to beat in this division.. particularly just a few weeks after a smash and grab win at Bramall Lane.

    The biggest factor is that Sheff U played a 4-5-1 formation with only 1 out and out winger... Mccarthy could easily have done as many managers in this league would have done and match the formation.. Instead he stuck with the 4-4-2 and 2 wingers in an attempt to bring out the best of our attacking strength which has taken us to our current position... for that he deserves credit... yes we probably should have lost the game on Friday but we could also have won it late on due to our style of play.

    I'm not saying i disagree with the point of the thread but the facts above have been overlooked..
     
  16. PeteWolf

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    Good managers pick up on their opponents weak points. Just because something worked before doesn't mean it will continue to do so.

    Complacency is a killer.
     
  17. We should be 9 points clear.

    Blackpool posed no threat at all tonight.

    As for watching us tear teams apart, I can't recall that happening for weeks, if not months.


    My issue and reason for this thread is due to a lack of spark in central midfield.

    Too much chopping and changing? Maybe
     
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  18. Powelly

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    The only side we have "tore to shreads" this season is Forest
     
  19. dolmanrj

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    Add to that Sheffield Wednesday and Preston
     
  20. Ian

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    I don't think centre midfield is the problem as such...I think its more that currently we seem to be bypassing it!

    Bit hard to have much influence on the game when the ball keeps being hoofed over your head.
     
  21. PeteWolf

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    Sheffield Wednesday were all over us in the first half. Preston wasn't exactly a walkover either bar 30 minutes after half-time.
     
  22. dolmanrj

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    Still examples of when we played football at our complete best
     
  23. ice cream head

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    For $$$$s sake, we're 7 points clear at the top of the league. What a bunch of nit picking, negative miserable $$$$$$$s some of you really are.
     
  24. Del Woppio

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    Quite.

    It's odd that the thread starter chooses a game where two poorly defended set pieces have cost us the win the chastise the centre midfield. For what it's worth; not one of the centre midfielders we have is good enough for the Premier League; but, for now, that is irrelevant. They are good enough for the Championship, as evidenced by the fact we have scored more points than anyone else in Britain.
     
  25. PeteWolf

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    I don't think it's quite a case of not being happy with what we have, more a point of addessing the weak points to make sure we still have it in the future.

    Until we reach perfection there's always room for self-analysis. Anything less is resting on our laurels which is a sure-fire way of getting caught.
     
  26. cannockwolves

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    mick cost us the three points tonight by changing the back four around he should have kept foley at right back gone with either collins or manciene not both. The defence was all over the place at times - and the midfield was poor just huff ball. will not finish in the top two unless we buy well in jan!
     
  27. If this is your attitude you are in for a shock in 2009.

    Are you happy with what you saw tonight?

    Are you happy with what you have seen over the last month? I'm not and I, like others, believe it is stemming from central midfield.
     
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  28. manc_wolf

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    FFS!! 2 draws and where the hell have these moaning $$$$$$$s come from all of a sudden!!???

    all these webmongs have just about had a go at every single position over the last couple of years, until mick "shuts them up" by going and doing something completely stupid, like buying a quality player to fill that position - so the only bit of the formation left is centre midfield - in 1 week we've gone from "battling, promotion certainties" to relegation fodder...

    i'm off till we're promoted... see you at the party in May...
     
  29. Del Woppio

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    Pap. We could not buy a player in January and still finish top two. Too many fans are really overestimating the ability of Blues and Reading, as well as under-estimating us.
     
  30. Do you watch Wolves often?

    If you do you must surely realise something has been up for a month now.
     
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  31. Del Woppio

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    I do, yes. Our midfield is more than good enough for this league, as evidenced by the fact we are top by a not inconsiderable distance.
     
  32. PL jaspa888

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    Agreed. So far. But our recent performances have not matched our previous form, and may be that is what is worrying some people. Perhaps people are subconsciously thinking of the choke season, where we could all see the wheels coming off before Jones did...

    While the reaction of some on this thread may be classed as hysterical, we should be cautious that some of recent performances (note: performance, not results) have below the standards that this team has set for itself.

    This is an evolving team, and hopefully will have a nucleus that we can take forward into PL. It is about continuous improvement, and while over-the-top pant wetting is not helpful, neither is a head-in-the-sand mentality.
     
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  33. ice cream head

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    I admit Henry can annoy with his passing at times but he more than makes up for that with his defensive work. Jones puts in a good dead ball and can also pick a pass. Both are excellent at this level but perhaps the PL is one step too far for them. We shall see - Personally, I think Henry could still do a job in the top division as long as all he has to do is harrass, tackle and play an easy pass to the more technical players in the side.
     
  34. Bawtry Wolf

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    Interestingly over the last 14 games we have picked 33 points, increased our goal difference by 15 and scored 26 goals; birmingham in the same period have managed 24 points, increased their goal difference by 3 and scored 19 goals; whilst Reading have managed 28 points, increased their goal difference by 14 and scored 24 goals. This is in the period where reading some of the posts on here we have been playing porrly, been lucky and are just waiting for Reading and Birmingham to overtake us. I am not saying it wo't happen but not a bad return when we haven't been playing at our best.

    What concerns me is the fact that we seem to want to launch it to Ilewumo all the time when he is on the pitch and then he gets penalised. Central midfield is bypassed. I also think this is a problem with Hennesey, his distribution is poor and cost Stearman a yellow card tonight. Because he has a huge boot on him he launches it forward rather than looking for an outlet. This was a problem last season when after a season with Murray in goal we had got used to him launching attacks with very good and accurate throws.

    I thought the central midfield didn't do badly tonight and looked better with Jones. Foley was a bit wasted and I wasn't sure what position he was playing but it wasn't wide midfield but Ward offered more. I wouldn't mind seeing a midfield three similar to Liverpools with Henry and Jones doing the holding role with someone like davies sitting behind SEB and Kightly and Jarvis wide. For me Edwards is an impact sub who works best when the game is stretched but wouldn't get a game in the prem. What we currently lack which is what Davies offers from what I have seen of him, is a midfield player who is willing to get beyond the opposition midfield and run at the back four thus pulling them out of position. Tonight both Jones and Henry had those opportunities but they want to pass it and are not comfortable moving into space therefore we are quite easy to mark as they know the central midfield will pass it forward, having a player with the ability to run at you presents different problems. It was part of the reason for the turnaround vs Birmingham where Keogh began runing from deeper positions and tonight Ward created the goal by running past a couple of players thus changing the tempo.
     
  35. Why didn't Jones start today and Friday?
     
  36. Midfield was a bit disjointed tonight granted, but I look forward to the next game: kites and jarvo on the wings? That's two outlets to go down, taking pressure off the central midfield. Playing with two wingers will make all the difference, and hopefully with a settled back 4 - most likely Foley, Stearman, Macienne, and Ward.
     
  37. manc_wolf

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    so every team promoted has always sustained MORE than 2 points per game have they? cos in the last month we have attained 11 points in 6 matches - that is championship winning form in my view, and in a month in which Mick has been nominated for manager of the month

    it's got nothing to do with the centre of midfield - and our season will NOT be defined by the last month's form...

    point is - if hennessey had come and collected THAT ball tonight, we would be sitting 9 points clear now with the SAME centre midfield - everything would be rosy, and you would still be under your rock...
     
  38. ice cream head

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    As long as we keep averaging 2 points per game (which we are doing, quite easily) I don't worry too much about the performance. Give me 10 more ground out 1-0 wins and i'll be a happy bunny.


    Sorry, i'm not sure I follow. Not helpful to who?
     
  39. Black Suit

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    You are, it seems, wilfully missing the point here Del. We have struggled against Doncaster, Blades and Blackpool. We HAVE avoided defeat, but look very, very ordinary at times.

    There were flashes of good football in the second half, but if we do not improve, it will become very uncomfortable over the next month.

    Too many players out of position again, for me.

    Great to be 7 points ahead, but we threw it away tonight. Having said that, the penalty was a little harsh, but we got the nod, this time.

    Ward was excellent, and Vokes postioning for the two deep headers worked well, but he wasn't rewarded.
     
  40. This isn't just about tonight.

    The midfield has been woeful for weeks.
     

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