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Club statement re strengthening squad

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by cannockwolves, Dec 4, 2008.

  1. cannockwolves

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    http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/12/04/mccarthy-happy-to-stick-with-squad/

    http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~1475898,00.html


    So what does everyone make of this then?

    Interesting that the E&S put the slant on it that we are not going to do any business, whereas the WOW article looks more like its a barganing statement along the lines of "we might not be bothered if you ask silly money".

    There also looks like there is a little bit of positioning to the squad as well.

    I still think we will sign one or two.
     
  2. Sozzled Wolf

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    Don't you just love the E&S???

    The title is "McCarthy happy to stick with Squad", and still they use the following in the main copy:

     
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  3. MobNet Wolf

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    Nothing new really. I also still expect us to sign one or two. He seems more at pains to stress he isn't 'necessarily' going to do nothing, than to say we probably won't.
     
  4. Tuco

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    No great surprise is it. Mick is very loyal to his players, and as they are top of the division he sees very little need to change things. This would change if SEB got injured IMV, but as we seem capable of matcing most teams in this division (not sure what happened against Reading) I see little need for major changes.

    We already have defenders who can't get a game, maybe a left sided player (doesn't seem many good ones about) to compete with Jarvis. But withput significant investment I can't see many players about better than what we have now.

    Keep the money now and get our targets sorted out for next season.
     
  5. PabloWolfo

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    I don't think I'd be too bothered if Jan came a went and we hadn't signed anyone, as long as we kept winning in the meantime. It's worth seeing the state of the table and the squad in 4 or 5 weeks time.
     
  6. goldeneyed

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    We MUST get in another winger. Perhaps Carlos Edwards back on loan or Scott Sinclair. Otherwise if someone like Surman/Watson is available at a good price then definitely worth strenghtening midfield. Daniel Sturridge on loan would be handy too if Man City bring in another striker or two but somewhat unlikely. We don't need much but a couple of classy additions would give just the right boost at this vital time in the season with some of our rivals strengthening no doubt.
     
  7. ROVERT47

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    Mancienne for the rest of the season is the only addition needed.
     
  8. Sozzled Wolf

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    Indeed - in fact this shows we're in a very advantageous position:

    If we get good results throughout the hectic Xmas period and maintain or even improve our healthy lead at the top, then you've got to feel confident about our chances of going up and that a big squad strengthening exercise isn't required. December - due to the fixture pile-up - is often a time that gives a great indication of a club's credentials/capabilities.

    Conversely, if we hit a poor run of results before Jan, at least we have a few weeks to address the problem areas by going on a recruitment drive.
     
  9. wolvesman

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    Yep...Makes a lot of sense.
     
  10. hollo

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    We need more than manicienne. We need a winger in to compete with jarvis. Two wingers is not enough. After that we need a central midfielder. and then a striker.
     
  11. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    To me it seems fairly simple: Don't buy people for the sake of it, but if we need someone or a player is available at the right price, then go for it. There's no point declaring for certain whether we will or won't spend in Januray... and that's exactly what Mick has done. Nice to know he's starting to approach my level of managerial excellence!
     
  12. Taffywolf

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    I still think we need another winger, If we were to lose Kights or Jarvis or even both of them we would really struggle as we do not have any one that could slot in.
    Sinclair for the rest of the season would be top signing..
     
  13. The Bear

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    Edwards might be available in January as their new manager will surely be told to trim their huge squad before bringing new players in. Would £1-1.5m be too much for him, considering he can cover both wings?
     
  14. JR's Boots

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    We mustn't leave anything to chance. This is the best opportunity we've had in 20 years to gain automatic promotion. If we can strengthen our squad in January and hopefully Reading and Blues lose one or two of their better players, we should be a powerful position.
     
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    Agree with you JR. I think it's important to get the balance right with incoming players too, in that they don't unsettle the squad. Getting any 'big time charlies' in looking for the glory of promotion and without the work ethic MM has instilled could have a negative effect.
     
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    Spot-on JR; I wrote almost the exact same thing not long ago.

    If we can afford to bring players in I don't see why we should hold back and take a risk.
     
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    loans
     
  18. northnorfolkwolf

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    Agree 100%. Have to admire the complacency on this site.
    I know we are sitting well clear at present but an injury to one of our 'stars' and a ccouple of suspensions could really upset things if we don't strengthen. Did we not lose 3 out of 4 when players were missing.
    We will never have a better chance at auto than now - lets go for it by strengthening the squad. If the Potter's and keogh's are not happy so be it.
     
  19. Atlas 1951

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    You're right: he could well be leaving. At that price I'd be tempted, though I don't know what sort of wages he commands. I'm still more concerned about centre-midfield, though.
     
  20. PabloWolfo

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    Honestly, there should be laws against playing Football Manager for too long.
     
  21. Sozzled Wolf

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    Given his age I think you could get Edwards for £750k.

    Agreed we need to focus on midfield too, but in priority terms it'd be on par with a winger. I am totally convinced Watson would be the icing on the cake to seal promotion.
     
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    My take on this is easy - I stopped trying to 2nd guess MM and Jez' transfer activity a long time ago, I just sit back and let them get on with it in what has been an admirable fashion. I think they are best placed to know what we need and what we don't to ensure we get promoted - let's face it the signings of Hill, Friend and Edwards on loan, have demonstrated they are not prepared to risk having no cover and the loan signing of Mancienne demonstrated their finger is on the pulse of the availability of loan players who will improve the overall quality of the squad.
     
  23. cannockwolves

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    I am sure your right, but Hollo is right too - We have the best chance in 20 years of audtomatic promotion.

    You have got to say what's it worth? Spending £2-£3m now too build on the squad. As long as they are the right sort of players (Surman, John-Joe, Ben Watson type) where clubs are in financial difficulties its the right time.

    I would love to know the long term team strategy that Morgan/Jess/Mick are working too. Can we see any plan. We all know the young and hungry line which is right, but I wonder if we are building two squads. One squad to be the basis of promotion and core of prem season one, with a second younger set waiting in the wings (possibly going out on loan) if we fail to make prem season two.

    I know this might sound a bit extreme having read Branson's book on his virgin empire he keeps preaching "plan for and defend the downside".

    If we do go up and Hennersey, Kightly, Stearman, Foley, SEB, and Jarvis do become the core of our season one prem team how many would stay at the club if relegated?

    Maybe buying the likes of John-Joe, Surman, or Fryatt and loaning out Vokes, Keogh, Davies etc gives you the basis of a good championship team if you fail in the prem.
     
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    Exactly. The Sun makes a rash statement...MM just restores the balance....then business as usual.
    We won't make any statements on players until they're signed, but are always looking to strengthen if possible.
     
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    You have to be kidding.

    A player who struggled at the championship level, and is hardly setting the league 1 on fire. Over 2 players who are proven good players at Championship level.

    I am so glad your not running things
     
  26. As long as SEB and Iwelumo don't get crocked for any length of time, I would strongle advise not tampering with the striking department. Strikers typically need to feel involved, get on a run and keep scoring. We had so many problems last season because we couldn't decide (until SEB and Keogh get on a run) who our best partnership was. As a result we kept chopping and changing and no one found any form or confidence.

    Vokes and Keogh have proven to be useful subs and have clearly (to me at least) the ability to much more if required. I think we should learn from last season and not tinker with an area we've got nailed down for once. As I say a couple of serious injuries would change my thinking, but the loan market is made for situations like that.

    I'd certainly be up for a rapid winger from somewhere who can play left or right, although I'm not sure who that would be. Mancienne for as long as possible of course.

    Generally the lads are doing a great job, however we're clearly 10 times more effective when we have two dynamic wingers so that seems the area in need of bolstering because whenever those two are out we are much less effective which is too risky in a title race.
     
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    I think just extend Mancienne's loan and look to bring in a winger on loan as cover for what we have. More than happy with the strength in depth we have elsewhere. I know it'd be a big blow to lose someone like SEB for a couple of months but the fact is that NO championship club would be able to bring in a like for like replacement when you're talking about a player of that quality and I think that having Keogh and Vokes is sufficient back up.
     
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    Extend Mancienne's loan, sign a winger (for example Edwards) and a central midfielder (John-Joe O'Toole seems likely at the minute if reports are to be believed).

    We also need to try and shift some of the dead wood.. Darren Ward, Darren Potter et al.
     
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  29. rincewind

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    If MM brings in squad players they will be youngsters like Friend & Vokes with an eye to a couple of seasons time. There is no point wasting big money on players no better than we have and if we are 10 pts or similar clear come Jan 1st we HAVE to start thinking about promotion. Wouldn't incomers need to be better than what we have? But these sort of players will be expensive or likely out of our wage structure. I would imagine loans would be the way forward (barring a major injury crisis). For me keep Mancienne until season end and a winger loan would be fine unless a real bargain is available (Watson at Palace is the one I would keep an eye on, perhaps Surman as well).
    No doubt MM/Jez will turn up somone we have never heard of though!
     
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    Thanks Glasgow for your kind words, but if you look at the words I used I actually said "players the likes of...."

    I am not saying Fryatt is the player we should sign, but players in the 20-23 age group that are considered talented and could be purchased relatively cheaply because either the clubs concerned are in financial trouble or the players contract are running down.

    Now the players that fall into that group could be the likes of Surman, Watson, Frayatt, John-Joe, and probably half the West Ham squad.

    Mick has tried to sign Frayatt before he got SEB, and 14 goals in less than half a season looks promising when you consider that in Keogh's two seasons in that divison he did not score more than 12 goals in any one season.

    I know Keogh is probably a better all round player but Frayatt has scored 53 goals in 136 games compared to keogh's 38 in 139 games. I beleive we do need an out and out goal scorer to cover for SEB simply because I don't think Keogh is a finisher.

    Don't forget that Frayatt is still only 22 - premier league strikers have got to come from somewhere who is to say in 5 years time he won't be a decent prem striker?

    I just think that stiker that are in their early twenties with pace and a good goals to game ratio are worth considering for the right money. I tell you another player worth looking at and that is Simeon Jackson at Gillingham. Only just 21 and blistering quick in the Jarvis mould and has scored 52 goals in 92 games for Rushden and Gillingham - that is the sort of player who has the potential to make an impact.
     
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    Just been an interview with Mick on Sky Sports news saying "if a player became available that would improve on what we already have then we might do business" or something along those lines. Made reference to the signings of Kightly, McIndoe, Ebanks-Blake and forgive me if I've forgotten anyone ........... David Edwards was another.
     
  32. Shergar

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    When these players were signed comments were made that they had been watched and trailed over a period of time, that they were not impulse buys, homework had been done.
    Consequently, I wouldn't be surprised if a deal has already been agreed for a Prem (central) midfielder;).
     
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    I will be very surprised if We sign anyone, for the first team.

    We may get a youngster ala Friend
     
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    It is a difficult decision whether to buy or not this January as we do know the effect that a bad run of injuries can have to the team. I just feel that we should think twice about spending large amounts of money on any player who could not cut it in the Prem.

    In view of that securing the services of Mancienne for the rest of the season [at least] as well as maybe Edwards should do it IMO...
     
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    an alternative view is that to successfully survive you need an effective premiership team to get you poromotion thus getting the advantage of team spirit and familiarity with each other. If you just recruit in the summer you risk losing both and ending up coming straight back down with a huge wage bill:cool:
     

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