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Charlton Verdict

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  1. WS10Wolf

    WS10Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season 2013-14

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    Didn't know where to post this, feel free to move it.

    Definitely a case of two points dropped today, I'm afraid. Charlton's confidence was pretty low after their drubbing last week, but we were unable to take advantage. We failed to carve out enough chances to score, and whilst in the main we were solid defensively, there was a distinct lack of creativity. I don't think we really dragged their defence out of position enough, they were comfortable heading things away and defending the width of the box, and we really played into their hands.

    Kenny sprung something of a surprise before kick off by starting Afobe ahead of Dicko. I know that the club are being very careful with Dicko, given recent injury concerns, but I was still surprised that Dicko was left out. Our first half performance was one of relative comfort. We had plenty of possession, got into some good areas, but the final ball wasn't there. Henry and Van La Parra were both guilty of some wasteful crosses. McDonald almost sent Afobe through with a terrific pass, but it was just overhit. The young full backs weren't pushed on enough, and as I mentioned last week, our central players were about 10 yards too deep. Charlton's defence were big but lacked mobility, so it was so disappointing that we didn't try and stretch them. The one time Afobe did get away from them, they were terrified, but it didn't happen nearly enough. Charlton fizzed one dangerous ball across the box, but other than that offered nothing as an attacking threat. Gudmundsson looked a very tidy player in possession, but that was it.

    The first 5-10 minutes of the second half were about as good as it got. Dicko and Golbourne came on at half time, and the team seemed rejuvinated. There was one cleared off the line, a couple of other dangerous situations and one blocked away with Afobe waiting for a tap in. The game opened up and Charlton came forward a bit more, forcing Ikeme to push away a long range effort. For me the frustration of the second half was that we kept doing the same things, they kept not working. We'd move to within 20-25 yards of goal, move the ball sideways and backwards, and lose it. There was a distinct lack of guile in our team today. When Sako doesn't play, we don't have anybody who can do the unexpected. We created a couple of openings, but didn't test their goalkeeper. Like the Blackpool match last week, we had to be patient, but I think the difference was Charlton were a little bit better organised. As frustrating as Blackpool were last week, there was always going to be a chance, whereas I think we could still be playing now and it would be 0-0.

    I forgot Andy D'Urso was still around, but I don't think he did too badly. Probably should have pulled Charlton up for a few niggly fouls, but tried to play the game. His assistant on the Billy Wright side had a shocker though.

    Overall, as I say, given the relative form of the two sides, it's a case of two points dropped. Just on the balance of play though, I would be hard pressed to find any evidence to suggest we should have won. I probably can't even argue that we were the better side, as we didn't do enough in the final third. The positives though, another clean sheet, another point. I do get the feeling that today showed why we will probably finish somewhere between 7th-14th. I think better sides than us (Derby, Middlesbrough) would have found a way to win that, whereas Charlton could probably have nicked it had they been playing someone in worse form than us.

    Ratings:

    Ikeme- 8. Made two important saves, one from long range and another a one on one. There was also one terrific goal kick first half which almost played Van La Parra clean through on goal.

    Iorfa- 7. Perhaps not his best game, but he got forward at times and got involved. Won every one on one he had against his marker, and there was one fantastic piece of defending second half, as under pressure, he controlled the ball in the six yard box and played it off an attacker for a goal kick.

    Batth- 6. I actually, and this may surprise a few people, thought Batth was pretty poor today. There were some woeful sliced clearances under little pressure, and Vetokele seemed to escape him a few times. He also allowed the ball to bounce on a couple of occasions.

    Stearman- 8- MotM. Contined his excellent run of form. Made two or three vital interceptions, and brought the ball out of defence with great confidence. Dealt with any threats with ease. Given that the rest of the defence are aged 19, 19 and 23 (I think), it's great to see Stearman adding that experience.

    Hause- 6. Very shaky today I thought, I called the half time substitution after about 35 minutes. Gave the ball away too often, and didn't get into any really threatening positions.

    Price- 8. I've seen him get mixed reviews for today, but I thought personally he was one of our better players. You can argue all you like about whether he was too deep, and although I think both midfielders were too deep, Price is far more effective playing from the deeper position. A couple of times he dug us out of potential trouble on the edge of the box, and although there wasn't the incision in his passing that we saw against Blackpool, he still kept things moving along.

    McDonald- 6. I don't think he did enough today. He saw plenty of the ball, but apart from the one pass I mentioned which nearly sent Afobe through, there was little in the way of creativity. I acknowledge that he's not a naturally creative player, but for me, with Price playing well in that deeper role, McDonald has to be the one to get forward more, especially at home. We saw last season that he's very hard to disposess or stop, so I think we need more from him in the opponent's third.

    Henry- 6. Showed a couple of neat touches, but on the occasions he got into crossing positions, could only find the arms of the keeper. Not totally convinced by this constant switching round with Van La Parra, for me it overcomplicates things when your wingers keep switching flanks, I like to see a winger spend 90 minutes running at the same full bacj, breaking him down.

    Edwards- 7. Plenty of running, but I think he suffered more than anybody for Kenny's half time switches. He's been at Wolves for about 7 years now I think, and it took us about 2 to realise he's not a winger. He'll work himself into the ground for you out wide, but he's been so effective in the 10 role lately, it really didn't help the fluidity of the team, as he kept drifting in, leaving Golbourne trying to do two jobs at once.

    Van La Parra- 7. It would be interesting to see some detailed possession stats, because it looked to me as though he spent as much time on the ball as anybody. What he does with the ball is frustrating though. He needs to look up more often, because so many times today there was acres of space behind the full back, but he turned inside and was crowded out. He has the pace and the skill to destroy a full back on the outside, for me though he doesn't do it enough.

    Afobe- 7. When he got on the ball first half he looked good, he showed a bit of tenacity and a nice change of pace, but without the ball he doesn't offer as much as Dicko. On today's showing I'm not 100% convinced he's the ideal player to play up front on his own, but obviously it's only one game so I won't say that for definite.

    Subs:

    Golbourne- 7. Great to have him back, I thought he looked very good. Played almost as a wing back at times, got into some decent positions, and made one important clearance.

    Dicko- 7. Added a bit more energy to the team, but didn't get on the ball enough. Had a couple of penalty appeals late on which I can't comment on from where I sit, certainly the one in stoppage time looked like there might have been a case.

    Doherty- 6. Not really on the pitch long enough to make an impact, spent more time going forward than he did in defence, such was the nature of the last 10-15 minutes.
     
  2. Netherton Wolf

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    I think your scores are far too generous WS10, personally don't think anyone deserved more than a six.:(:(
     
  3. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Your reports Sir are superb, very readable, and accurate

    RVLP MOTM for me
     
  4. Rhoswolf

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    Agreed.
     
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    Ws10 sorry stears was woeful and most around me said the same!! He gave the ball away far more than Batth was out of position repeatedly , differing opinions I guess
     
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    Thanks WS10, I agree with most of that, although I also agree with Netherton you are too generous with the scores overall.

    I thought their striker playing against Batth did well and he certainly had his hands full, I think 6 is fair, but wouldn't give the others as high. Stearman did well but really annoyed me with a stupid yellow card that put him under some pressure later on. I didn't think Price was anywhere near an 8, although I agree that McDonald is the one who should be producing more, I would be really tempted to give Evans a run soon if he doesn't improve.

    I also thought Hause would go off at half time, it's not that he did anything very bad, but he seems to be reluctant to go over the halfway line and as the only left footed player he should be providing the width that Golbourne did to some extent in the second half. Having said that it is a lot to ask of a CH playing LB. I feel sorry for Henry as I thought he did quite well in his brief spells on the right, but offered very little from the left (certainly not width).

    Van la Parra was MotM for me - although horribly short of end product at least he was trying to make something happen. The 3 upfront second half (which I think we were playing?) just didn't seem to work at all.
     
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    RVLP man of the match. The only player who created chances. The midfield ain't cutting it. We are crying out for a decent centre midfield player in this transfer window
     
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    Bored , uninspiring..
    Watford have smashed 12 goals against these two teams , in the mean time.... We labour to one win/one draw....
    Our midfield 2 is what's letting us down period if we need to put teams to the sword....
     
  9. Tony

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    Price was a 5 out of 10. Stears made 2 bad errors- 6. VLP deserved an 8 but I've taken a mark off him for show boating too often-7. Afobe 6, Edwards a 7 for the first half, 4 for the second. Hause 5. Iorfa 6. Henry 6. Batth 7. Ikeme 7. Kmac 6. KJ 5. Dicko 5. Golbourne 6. Doc 5

    A poor show to put on in front of those we want to tempt back. Typical Wolves!
     
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    Dicko a 7? Not entirely sure what he did other than be offside and get $$$$ed off
     
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    I thought we looked stale today. We play too deep and have no real cutting edge. If today doesn't prove that we badly need a snotter and another forward I don't know what does. To have two half hearted attempts against a woeful side is just not good enough. Any talk of play off victory all of a sudden seems very distant
     
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    On the other hand we have moved a long way forward from this $$$$

    http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=90859

    Also we didn't need a snotter or another striker. We needed a left sided wide player and possibly a creative no. 10
     
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    Worst game I've ever seen
     
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    JOS in pant-wetting shocker!
     
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    You've watched a completely different game to me.
     
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    i thought the problem was our style, little to no tempo any sort of break was halted until everyone was in position, no pressing. over played at the back again until everyone was back in there pre determined position with little to no movement, no sako means no flair or individuality and a bunch of pre programmed robots.

    if todays performance was a colour it would be beige.
     
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    We were decent in the first half but poor in the second half IMO Jackett lost us the game putting Edwards on the left wing plus Dicko & Afobe looking lost up top having zero service compounded our misery. One thing that was evident today we were too pedestrian in possession of the ball and we had no urgency going forward we were very flat.

    I thought RVLP was poor he did look threatening at times and wanted to grab the game by the scruff of it's neck but he kept losing the ball or putting in poor balls he was a mixed bag. Today was a game we desperately needed Sako's individual brilliance some one who can make something out of nothing he badly missed him.

    One thing is for certain we desperately need a winger this window Henry isn't no alternative to Sako and RVLP is so damn inconsistent.
     
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    I thouht VLP had his best game for us today.
     
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    RVLP at least tried to be positive but he slows the play down too often giving the opposition time to get back into position.

    Can't understand the harsh words against Price, I thought he did his job ok. Sat in front of the back four and seemed to be involved in every breakup of their attack nipping in to pick up loose ends. The problem is in a game like today we needed more going forward, which just isn't Jacks game.

    Batth is infuriating anytime he isn't heading or shinning the ball. Very uncultured in his play and his lumps upfield (if they don't go out of play) usually end up in a loss of possession.

    It was refreshing to see Golbourne back in at left back who looked positive when he came on.
     
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    VLP - 8

    Iorfa - 7

    The rest - 6
     
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    A highly forgettable game. No tempo and no guile. Definitely an off day.

    Charlton came for a point and got it, so well done.

    I thought RVLP was very good, just needed a bit more movement in front of him rather than players just standing there waiting for a pass. Thought Kmac looks ok in bursts.

    The best player on the pitch was Jack Price. Yes he made some silly passes and shinned a couple straight up into orbit for no good reason, but his break up play was second to none and his distribution, for the most part, was class.

    The most memorable part of the day............was a toasted ham pannini/ciabata thing with lovely chips at the Spread Eagle Pub, with the obligatory 2 pints of Peroni.
     
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    Why do so many of you undervalue goalies? Especially in a match like this for so long they will be doing nothing and then have to react when needed.
    What did Ikeme do today to value him less?
     
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    Made a couple of crucial saves to keep is in the game : D
     
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    You have a point. :D

    Iorfa and Kemes - 7..........although the latter could be a 10 but for the fact we didn't know what might have been if he had been truly tested. :D
     
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    Never…. ever... looked like scoring a goal against very poor opposition.
    Very very disappointing but of course not at all surprising.
    Some great stuff from VLP who was really good to watch, but the rest… ZZZzzzzzz
     
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    Many thanks WS10, another very thorough report.
     
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    He kept us in the game twice!
     
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    Agree with Elvis, it is always a pleasure to read your reports, WS10, cheers.

    Obviously, fans sometimes see games and players in a different light, but you do a great job.
     
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    this game sounds a lot like the first 70 minutes against Blackpool
     
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    Clearly you werent at Preston at home in Championship winning year, it was below freezing and we lost 3-1, Stephen Elliot scored 2 and we were just non existent all game its was horrible
     
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    Ikeme 8 kept us in the game, and great kick early on to RVLP

    Iorfa 7 superb at defending but just not attacking enough , RVLP had 2 men on him all the time as a result

    Batth 5 major $$$$ up (after stearmans $$$$ up also) , and some aimless hoofs today.

    Stearman 6 couple of mistakes but good distribution on floor.

    Hause 7 same as iorfa

    Price 6 as much as it's his job to break up play, if your a centre mid you need to do a hell of a lot more in games like today. Seems like he can only pass to McDonald!

    Mccdonald 6 left to do it all in the middle in terms of with the ball due to the above point. Moved ball too slow however and shooting is abysmal. Would have replaced him with Evans.

    Henry 7 didn't do a lot wrong but like RVLP can't play left wing. We are so unbalanced at the moment !

    RVLP 7 played well, but final ball wasn't there. That said, he only needs 1 a game so wouldn't get on his back too much. Confidence is high at the moment and he is doin great. Difficult to tell if poor balls or poor movement . Combination of both I suspect.

    Edwards 6 ran around a lot but I don't remember our cam haven't an effort on goal? Worrying .

    Afoebe 7 holds ball up well , but defenders were sharp today. Not quite as much pace as dicko which caused them some problems. Would have liked him to try this a bit more as opposed to holding it up towards own goal

    Dicko 6 his speed causes problems every time but today e was off the boil and didn't respond to being dropped at all.

    Golbourne 7 superb to have him back. What a joy to see an overlapping full back again.

    Doherty - wrong end of the pitch for me to judge .

    Jackett 8 felt he got the 2 subs at half time correct, but I would have replaced McDonald with Evans. We also seemed to lack any plans to break down a team like last week. (Isn't this what they should work on before games like this?)

    Fans - 2 One of the worst atmospheres I can remember recently. Only sing when we are winning!!! It's only a 2 because of te new afoebe song by a group of about 20.
     
  33. It's almost as if we've got a set-up to suit each one of our attacking players without having one to fit all or even two of them together. We haven't quite found the formula in the final third all season.

    A game too far for the full backs today but great potential and they will have big parts to play in the future. Have to say I much prefer Scott Golbourne in at left back so that leaves Hause on the tails of Baath I reckon. Suspect KJ is fearful of our midfield playing further forward because our defence will get turned and leaky.

    Quite happy with Price who'll mop up and pick a pass out all day but Mac and Henry while they are great in possession and rarely get dispossessed just don't have enough in front of them moving and making runs. We didn't have much variation in midfield but I don't think they're having bad games. In time Afobe will be very dangerous for us, but I'm not sure about VLP or Dicko. For me we are still short of a striker and a quick wide player.
     
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    Kemes: 7 - Couple of good saves, wasn't really tested (long may that continue!). Nothing to mark him down on.

    Iorfa: 6.5 - A few mistakes where he charged straight into players with the ball. Seemed unwilling to get past his man, which is strange when he did that last week for Dave's goal. Looked a little lacking in confidence today. Harsh subbing.

    Hause: 5 - Not a great showing, and deserved to be subbed.

    Stears: 5.5 - A disappointing game today, where he let attackers get through several times which almost led to them scoring.

    Danny: 6.5 - Not exactly the game of his life, but one of the better players today.


    KMac: 6.5 - Better than I've seen in some weeks recently, though his passes weren't the most constructive. A few mistakes.

    Price: 6 - Some solid defensive work as usual, but also some sloppy play.

    Henry: 6.5 - A cpuple of times he did well to get past his man and get a cross in. No way near the worst player on the pitch today.

    Dave: 6 - Tireless running, but not much happened. Did get into a very good position earlier where he'd have been well placed for a shot, but Dom didn't see him.

    VLP: 6 - Pace but limited end product. Some flashes of brilliance, followed by plenty of dribbling into no man's land in the centre of the park.

    Afobe: 6 - Didn't have amazing service, chased down a few things well. Felt he was better in the first half.


    Subs:

    Scotty: 6 - Clearly no way near fit enough, and he seemed extremely reluctant to run and get forward. Decent cross at the end for our best chance.

    Dicko: 5.5 - Chased but largely anonymous. As with Afobe, largely poor service. Was at the other end for the incident at the death... anyone in the SB that can weigh in on what happened? Looked like the ref was pointing to the spot for a second.

    Doc: 6 - Didn't really offer much, but there weren't many attacking options available to KJ at that point.


    Ref: Seemed okay for the most part, but did like the attention at times, particularly with his fun spray foam toy. The incident at the end was ridiculous given how much time he spent lecturing.

    BW linesman seemed awful and slow to react.


    Biggest weakness of the team today was the very slow tempo, a lack of movement and not looking for the ball. Time and time again the ball was released too late instead of players running onto it.

    Charlton looked the better team, particularly towards the end. A poor performance, and a particular shame given that the deal gave a great chance to bring some more numbers in.
     
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    Ventekole was the best player on the pitch by miles IMO.

    Very good frontman for Charlton.
     
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    hoddlesque entertainment wise. a quicker movement and tempo required when there is so little space in the opponents final third but I think this is jacketts style of play although its hard to play against teams who come for a point.
     
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    The 4 5 1 gives a lot of protection defensively. When we went two up top it exposed the centre backs, Batth especially. DB seemed to take an age to make decisions when he had possession. Ikeme had to make some game savers. Macdonald and Price made a lot of unforced errors which meant that our play did not flow particularly well and our build up at times was ponderous. Price was poor today. RVLP was our best player and was the player most likely to create an opening. Dave Edwards was sat out on the left and added nothing out there. May as well have left Henry on. Afobe was willing but especially first half was marked by 4 defenders. Should probably have scored with our best chance, a header from good build up play. Good to see Golbourne back. Thought Charlton executed their game plan well. Verdict = *yawn*
     
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    All in all very dull game, 2 points lost, RVLP was the MOTM , Kemes kept us in it with a couple of good saves, and great to see Golbourne back.
     
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    I normally agree with WS10 but he is very generous with his marking today! Someone should work out the average marks for players from people who watched the whole game. No way was Price an 8!
     
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    price wasn't that bad. for me mc wasn't really on his game and nobody on the left stunted us in the 2nd half. would have given Jacobs a run out in place of dave but we can all get it right after the event as most of us do on here.
     

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