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Challenge for Nuno

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Norwegian Wolf, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. Norwegian Wolf

    Norwegian Wolf Senior Member

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    With all the talk about some of the players suffering from nerves yesterday and needing to improve, the same challenge probably also applies to Nuno after his first game in the PL. We had 45 minutes against 10 men and yet we often seemed more concerned about keeping possession in our own half rather than seizing the initiative to force a win.

    Last season our 3 at the back and attacking wing backs caught a lot of Championship managers out as they didn’t know how to deal with the formation. The World Cup has changed that and PL teams won’t be caught out as much by last seasons tactic of slow build up and 50 yard diagonal balls from Coady and Neves. Everton showed that keeping tight on our wing backs means that Jota and Costa are then starved of possession and we become easy to defend against. We have no real attacking movement in the centre of the park and yesterday saw no width to the attack on the left until Vinagre came on. Personally I think Nuno should have changed it around much earlier and brought Vinagre and MGW on to run at the team that was a man short.

    Nuno has done no wrong so far, but the challenge he now faces in the next month is to show that he can out think smart managers like Puel and Pep and Mourinho, in the same way that he did against some of the tactical dinosaurs we saw in the Championship last season. Having Traore and Cav back will help, but as with the players, Nuno also needs to show that he can step up and lead us forward against the big boys.
     
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    The challenge is for Nuno to be able to adapt a different formation/ Plan B when the game isn’t going our way. On a couple of occasions last season, he tried to tweak things, and it didn’t work. We were so much better than most teams last season, it almost didn’t matter. Perhaps Traore is this different plan? Interesting to see.
     
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  3. Ewok vs Wolf

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    It will certainly be interesting to see how our play develops. Wingbacks have been quite popular choice in the Prem since Conte's first season so its nothing new for Prem sides to come up against.
    One thing we know about Nuno is he isn't going to move away from the current formation, and will look to find solutions using our current setup, whether this is our success or downfall at this level only time will tell.
     
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    The press coverage too is completely on the next level, so much more exposure than he is used to
     
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    That is something that was very noticeable in the last week. We are used to a 2-minute video on the Wolves youtube channel and a brief interview on BBC WM. Now he has to talk to multiple broadcasters. I watched him being interview by NBC yesterday and he came across very well.
     
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    Excellent post, NW.
    You’ve put into words exactly what I was thinking in the second half.
     
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  7. Chisels_n_ommers

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    I agree with a lot of what the OP says.
    But our "non-pressing" style where it's all about shape, shape, shape actually suits playing against the bigger boys than not.
    If you're playing City or Liverpool or Arsenal and so on if you press them (and it's not your natural game) they'll rip you apart.

    The teams below them are more of a concern, whereby we need to take the games to them more. Will we get enough (meaningful/territorial) possession to do that?

    Now if Cody, the spare man at the back, could step up now and then and bring the ball out, rather than playing 10 yards behind (safety and easy backwards pass on all the time) then that would push us on to the lower sides in the prem.

    Cody's role is the key one in the prem IMO. It's a luxury at this level to have a player playing so deep. Watching England play the same system, John Stones doesn't play so deep and brings the ball out and gets involved when England are in possession.

    Whereas Cody's only gets involved (when Wolves have the ball) when a move hits the skids and that (blind) backwards pass is always on. It's a very safety orientated set up.

    I'm just wondering if Dendoncker has been signed for this Cody role. His style of play, from what I've seen, looks perfect for that role.
     
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    I’ve been thinking this too. From what I’ve seen of him he also seems to have a good engine so maybe he could be used as a box-to-box midfielder against weaker opposition too. The beauty of having multi-functional players.
     
  9. Pengwern

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    Nuno will embrace the challenge and we'll see which players do over the next few games.
    Our opening fixtures are all vs teams with confidence, so our position is likely to be in the bottom half initially, I think.
     
  10. kennyB

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    It's a learning experience for both him and the players and staff. It will take a little time to get fully up to speed for everyone but hopefully not too long. The same will apply to Fulham and Cardiff although I thought that Fulham looked decent yesterday and were caught napping a couple of times. They'll learn too.
     
  11. Chisels_n_ommers

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    I'm talking about being in possession here.....If you watch Man City & England, it's actually the keeper that plays the role of the Cody out ball (backwards blind pass - player always knowing it's on).

    Putting it bluntly.....Cody is not effective when we're in possession (certainly at this level). This cross field diagonal is his only offensive weapon - yet Neves plays that ball, even Boly does at times. And I also feel the cross field diagonal won't prove as effective in the prem anyway unless you play with tempo and then hit it. You can't saunter around at the back and then ping it out - the prem sides will gobble that ball up and it actually sets them up on attacks when intercepted in a lot of situations.

    What did Cody add to our side yesterday offensively? When we needed to push on to ten men.....
     
  12. groundhogwolf

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    I guess you are not a fan of Coady. Where would we be without him? Let's hope all his new replacements are up to the job, playing as a team is about partnership's, and the Coady one has worked more times than it has failed.
     
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    @Chisels_n_ommers ... I understand what you’re saying and agree to an extent. I was surprised, however, at how far forward Bennett in particular found himself when we finally pressed in the second half. That is when Coady provided the blind backwards safety pass option most effectively. I totally agree we would benefit from more directness through the middle at times - and this is possibly the main criticism of our midfield pairing. I was just musing on whether Dendoncker would add dynamism here.
     
  14. nomadwolf

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    only real challenge Nuno faces is what team to pick for Leicester...

    then the challenge of the bench

    to play a tried and trusted 3-4-3, 5-4-1 cum 3-2-5 as seen yesterday and all last season
     
  15. E is for idiot.

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    What you say makes sense to a degree, you have to take into account that Cav and Traore being missing yesterday meant that in terms of game changing subs Nuno was limited. If we had those two available and still had similar issues then I would be much more inclined to agree with you.
     
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    I thought Cody was fantastic last season. How could anyone not think that?
    The thread is about challenges for Nuno and the challenge is (IMO) how to adapt our players and systems to a new challenge.
    The Cody partnership has certainly worked many times. I'm yet to see it work in the Prem.
    I hope it does, with Cody's game adapting
     
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    Just remember Cardiff last season and how we learned from that.

    Nuno & the whole team are on a journey.
     
  18. Rhoswolf

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    So how many games exactly is that, one?:(
     
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  19. Norwegian Wolf

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    Next week’s challenge is how to deal with balls over the top of Coady’s head for Vardy to run onto. The week after it’s probably Sane running at Bennett and Sterling running at Boly. Different problems every week and Nuno will need to get his thinking cap on.
     
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    The next two games are going to be massively difficult for us, and even if they are both defeats, we must make sure it doesn’t create a negative vibe to take into the following games.
     
  21. E is for idiot.

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    100% We have a tough start to the season.
     
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    On a matter of detail, we did hit some long diagonal balls yesterday. The reason it wasn’t successful was nothing to do with Everton but simply because we weren’t accurate enough.

    In my view our distribution generally was below par and with the defence having an off day it led to us getting one point instead of three.

    Nuno can and will fix it.
     
  23. Chisels_n_ommers

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    I didn't start the thread.

    Barry Douglas had zero games.

    Manager's have to make big calls, which I'm sure Nuno will. And hopefully our formation adjusts to life in the prem
     
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    I think that if we had opened up (‘gone for it’), we could have easily lost that game. Whilst it was frustrating that we didn’t make our numerical advantage count, I think Nuno called it correctly. An opening day defeat would have hurt. The manager and team will grow over the season. That’s a mouth watering prospect. Will be really interesting to see how we are lining up in two years time.
     
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    Indeed.
     
  26. groundhogwolf

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    It like we only have player in defence, so every goal must be Coady's fault, some still haven't forgiven him for being average at right back, playing out of position four the team. As with all, both players and coaches nothing lasts forever, however, let's give him a chance.
     
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    We could always try a slight tweak by using a 3-4-1-2at times.
    With someone like jota playing a sort of number 10 role behind 2 forwards threading through balls in and giving a bit more room for the wing backs
     
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    No mention of goals. It's when we're in possession.

    Coady has been fantastic dropping, diagonal balls, mopping up and marshaling.

    When we play a Man City, Liverpool etc he will need to play exactly that role as we're going to be out of possession mainly.

    When we play a Palace or Bournemouth and assuming we're going after the game trying to win it, then his position in the prem will require someone that can utilise the space in front of them if the Palace's of this world play to cut off that diagonal.

    I'm hopeful Nuno can encourage Coady to do that, so my comments are actually on topic....Nuno's challenges - not a slight at Coady.
     
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    We're all on a journey - not just Nuno
     
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    A great OP Norwegian Wolf. After due consideration I believe you make very good points. :):)
     
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    I think he just needs to be honest with the players.
    "Look guys there were a few nerves out there, but your all human and remember you came back TWICE, half the teams in this league won't be as good as Everton, so that game is gone now, forget about the nerves and prepare for the next game".
     
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    Was really pleased we came back twice yesterday definitely thought it was a weak point for Nuno last season when we fell behind (not that it happened to often)

    Would never want to see the disaster of Costa and Cav as wing backs again like we saw against Forest.
     
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    Really important people don’t start getting frustrated because we’re not walking over teams like last season. There was a notable groan at one point second half yesterday when we were recycling the ball. Our system is all about moving the opposition and creating spaces for our front 3, with ten men Everton sat deeper and that became much harder and coupled with Jota and Costa having off days we couldn’t penetrate as much, but we still got loads of good balls out to Doherty who should have done a bit more and we’ve added an aerial threat from Jimenez that will have taken a few by surprise.

    Don’t panic, it was day one, as Nuno said they will improve
     
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    It's going to be hard at Molineux this season. We are going to play well in games (and not that well) and possibly not score goals, and concede a few as well. It's going to be dispiriting, and probably upsetting at times- but we have to grit our teeth- and think of the overall scheme of things. We are also going to ride our luck and win games we shouldn't. We are piddling in the ocean now, not ****ting in the paddling pool that was the Championship. We need to savour every goal we get like on Saturday. Enjoy the ride- remember how it was under Mick when we beat Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd, Spurs, drew at Arsenal- they were amazing- inter-twined with awful results against many other teams- this will hopefully be far better, but going to be just as hard. Not for the weak-willed. Things maybe different in 2 or 3 years, hopefully if Fosun do what they are claiming to do.
     
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    We are set-up, game-management wise to:- (1) not concede a goal (2) lose a match (3) be in the game with 20 minutes to go...this includes winning, drawing or being one goal behind... (4) be comfortable if oppo have the ball (5) hit on the break (6) keep to the same plan week after week, and change players, not systems...we play a mix of 3-4-3, 5-4-1 and 3-2-5

    Match day one...who have looked most likely to finish above us, on first show (not watched all games, but seen all goals), but would suggest...

    Teams impressed me:- Man C & Liverpool (albeit against less than impressive defending from Gooners & Hammers)...but they both play "total football" with players "a licence to roam" (not like see Bennett or Boly in oppo last third, unless a corner/free kick), and look forward to Man C in 2 weeks time...so of the rest

    Jury out on:- Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Wolves (only next few games to end September will tell)

    Potential bottom feeders...Terriers, Bluebirds, Seagulls,

    Mid table also-rans...Hammers, Hornets, Magpies, Toffees, Eagles, Cherries, Foxes, Saints, Clarets, Cottagers

    Not mentioned Man U:- the Pogba Tweets & Mourinho Mumblings over next 2 weeks will decide where fit in the above.
     
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    We're reading far too much into one game here, with talk of changing the system way too premature. I watched us struggle to create a single chance against a 10 man Sunderland last year. Saturday we scored two and Jimenez missed a one on one. Added to this Jota had a stinker, Costa not much better and Traore and Cav still to come in and I don't see a huge amount to worry about.
     
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    I agree. Cody (?) or even coady feels like the new danny batth in recent days. I thought he had a good game. The issue for mis that the ctntral midfielders passed sideways quite a bit and neithet jota or costa ran at anyone. We didnt take enough risks
     
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    We had 3/4 players way off their A game,we have 3 very good players to come in once fit, which will make the bench look much stronger and give us more options
    So i don't see too much to worry about yet
    I've said all along it will take 5/6 games until we settle,and we will be playing catch up points wise i'm sure after the first month or so
    Equally ,i'm sure as long as we don't panic and let things affect us too much,we can, and will ,match, or better, most teams in the Prem
    The top 6 or so will be too experienced, and basically too good for us this season,but once we settle we can beat enough teams to survive comfortably,i'm confident of a mid table finish ,although we will need to hold our nerve for the first few games,that's on and off the pitch
    Its a 10 year journey,and we have taken just 2 to make the first big strides,we may now have to take smaller steps to get to our goal
     
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    Nuno's formation suits us better away from home than at home and today we looked the better team for large parts of the game. Tactically we completely nullified Vardy and it was no surprise his frustration got the better of him.

    The only criticism of Nuno today would be that he was a little too hasty with the double substitutions - Traore on at HT was the right move, but I think Jota should have stayed on and moved centrally where he is much more effective. At 2-0 down its not usually a smart idea to take your best goalscorer off, even more so when they were down to 10 men and Bonatini showed that he really isn't up to it. Nuno will hopefully learn from it and realise that we need the goal threat of Raul and Jota in the box, not pushed out wide.
     
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    Poor tactics again from him today Second half, we need somebody in the hole who we can play through. The wingbacks just aren’t working, why the **** Coady, Neves or Moutinho can’t step up with the ball I don’t know. Side to side *******s is killing us, he should have put Jota in the hole taking off a defender.
     

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