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'Booing' your own players...

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by jbarnettuk1984, Dec 8, 2008.

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  1. Summed up very well by Alan Hansen regards the Eboue situation from the weekend -



    I know our usual boo-boys have laid off the likes of Neill Collins & Stephen Ward this season (mainly due to their improved performances), personally the unlucky one this year has been Andy Keogh.

    Maybe a few of the so called 'boo boys' who think it'll help our boys next time they miss-hit a pass, or miss-control the ball and automatically boo, will think otherwise.
     
  2. Bedford Wolf

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    There's the problem, right there.
     
  3. Adrian_Monk

    Adrian_Monk Just doesn't shut up

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    They won't unfortunately because thinking is sadly beyond them. I've heard the same pathetic arguments for booing reeled off over and over....they've alienated the fans with how much they earn (show me a human being that would rather earn less money in their job), they're not trying (even footballers realise the harder they try the more money/adulation they get...and being the vain bunch they are this does tend to be important) and that if you buy a ticket you have the right to vent your spleen (of course there's nothing stopping you, other than the fact it has never once raised the performance of a player or the team you supposedly "support", and not once have any of those points even struck a chord. That this is not just a wolves problem: liverpool are seeing it with lucas, arsenal with eboue, etc....doesn't make it remotely acceptable either and i'd rather these braindead spectators didn't bother turning up if they can't control their fury.
     
  4. Jack Regan

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    Was Eboue actually playing at right back in this game? How Wenger thinks he can get away playing him CM or right wing is beyond me.

    Seems to me a lot of this boo-boy antics is due to playing players out of position, the crowd got on Collins back when he was consistently played at full-back, Ward wide on the left and now Keogh also out wide.

    Seem to recall Kenny Miller used to get outrageous stick when played out on the left by Hoddle, despite the fact he used to work his $$$$$$$$ off.
     
  5. Mancwolf

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    Couldn't agree more. Players played out of position rarely play to their potential, which is occasionally met with negativity from the crowd, which can in turn damage a players confidence.

    Can the manager be blamed though? With injuries it's vital to have versatile players who can cover others. Maybe it needs a greater understanding from the fans.
     
  6. envillewolf

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    Superbly demonstrated by our own Stephen Ward .....
    How many were booing this lad last year when out of position?

    Mick obviously saw something in him ..... to quote many "he ain't a winger" .... he ain't a left back but he's makin a damned fine attempt at one!!

    Managers don't pick favourites - they pick players to do a job and win a football match ......
     
  7. Deutsch Wolf

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    They do.

    Perversely, I think McCarthy, the man who has most been charged with this, does it least. For example, Collins and Shackell both had very good games against Swansea. Yet Mancienne and Stearman played four days later at Cardiff. Another perceived favourite, Keogh, has started four games up front this season. Yet another, Potter, hasn't featured all season.

    You then get Dave Jones signing Paul Jones and playing Shaun Newton come rain or shine, or Colin Lee changing the whole team around to accomodate Neil Emblen....now THAT is picking favourites.
     
  8. These sort of 'chocolate box' ideals of never booing a player are fanciful and wholly unrealistic. They are based on the pretence that every player always gives 100% effort all of the time. With Mick's players I'd say this was pretty much true but there have been plenty over the years who haven't. How on earth is the common man supposed to relay their thoughts/feelings/annoyance if they are not allowed to boo - write a letter?, send them a text? or put a brick through their car.......NO! - the only genuine option available to them is to boo!

    If a factory worker was slacking at his job would his boss shower him with compliments and offer him a pay rise just so he wouldn't "hurt the poor little flower's confidence". NO NO NO he'd get a right kick up the backside and be told get on with his job or he's out! Football fan's way of giving underporming players a right royal kick up the ar#e is to Boo.

    How boring football would be if every player got cheered every week, however poorly they had played.
     
  9. Dewsburywolf

    Dewsburywolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Just heard this comment on TalkSport from Adrian Durham (yeah I know but........) "maybe players ought to go over and boo the fans when they fail to create a decent atmosphere at a game". Makes you think doesn't it?
     
  10. wamp_wolf

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    I'll agree booing players is very very unhelpful and can only harm a players confidence but I have a question: Where do you super-fans stand on the groaning and atmosphere created by mis-placed passes etc. For instance against Blues, Keogh is played a ball on the right wing and rather than going forward he stops, ponders and plays a crap ball back to Foley. As far as I could here, no one booed him but it was fairly obvious from the moans and groans that everyone was $$$$ed off with him. Are we still allowed to grumble at times like these or should we all sycophantically cheer every move made by our players?

    PS - At least admit there were times when it was acceptable to boo Mark Kennedy?!?!
     
  11. Dewsburywolf

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    Never actually booed him but I did call out that he was a waste of skin a few times.
     
  12. glasgowwolf

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    It don't matter a $$$$ where a player plays he gives 100%, he wants to do well.

    What right has some $$$$ing neanderthal got to decide he can boo someone for any reason.

    Hansen is preety much spot on.

    You see it on here, Keogh could make one mistake, but play well. Yet idiots on here will mark him at 3 and 4.

    Other players can make mistakes (Eastwood last season) who would you rather have coming on Eastwood or Keogh no brainer really.

    May be some on here should be watching Sky, Wenger, our own MM, Kevin Blackwell, and Tony Pullis, are all saying the same thing.

    But hey some brain dead $$$$s know better than people in the game.

    Cos it doe affect them innit.

    MM said something I had not thought about, the other players get affected as well, and other players can turn against the fans, it's there mate, it's alos possible it will be them on the end of the booing.

    Just think what Kites is thinking when he hears his mate Keogh getting booed, when he is working hard for the team, is it going to endear him to our fans........
     
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  13. glasgowwolf

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    No Player ever ever gives less than 100%.

    By making it the game, they have to give 100% every day, some are better trainsers than others but no player gives less than %100 ever.

    It's not true at Wolves either this $$$$$$$$ about never booing players who try......... $$$$ing load of $$$$, spouted by idiots. They pick a player and Boo him no matter what he does
     
  14. Mutchy

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    In no way do I believe in booing our own players, but the above statement is rubbish.
     
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    You are a very angry man. It saddens me deeply that you expect people to follow some sort of guideline on supporting one's team.

    "What right has some $$$$ing neanderthal got to decide he can boo someone for any reason. "

    :D - make your mind up on freedom of speech.
     
  16. Space Wolf

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    All these pundits should experience what it's like abroad. Players and managers get off lightly over here.

    After Roma's recent poor run the fans had no objections to letting the players know how they felt.

    http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=944250

    http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov2g.html

    When that starts happening over here, I'll agree that it's too far.
     
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  17. Uncle Festa

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    The sooner, cheating $$$$ers like Eboue get driven out of our game the better. Carry on booing the $$$$$.
     
  18. duanepipe

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    Personally I like the Danny Baker proposal:

    All the players should receive their paychecks in the centre circle at the end of each match along with an announcement about the value and what - if any - bonuses are on offer. Each player would stand in the tunnel until his name was read out - fans get to stay behind to applaud or not, depending on how the game's gone:

    "Next up to collect his cheque for £16,000 and appearance bonus of £1,000k, please give a warm round of applause to Thomas Frankowski....."
     
  19. glasgowwolf

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    No it's not Mutchy by nature Players are competitive.
    From day 1 they have had to compete against players coming in to take there place.
    Young boys at the academy are let go if someone comes in who is better.
    Players are released, players are dropped.

    Ot hurts players when they are not playing they just want to play football.

    Managers lose their job so would not play someone who is not giving 100%.

    Always amases me when people say he has not tried.... Players are competitive, it's what they do, once a player crosses the white line they give 100%.

    Some are not good trainers but they all give 100%.
     
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    I used to boo Carl Cort as he strolled around the pitch doing nothing....but only under my breath.

    I've never booed a Wolves player & never will. Why would I want to help the other team?
     
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  22. Mutchy

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    Cloud cuckoo land. You honestly think there are no lazy players, no players who let their lifestyle affect their career?
     
  23. Dewsburywolf

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    See post 11.

    First season almost got us promoted single handedly (until his injury we were still on course for second) after that he only played for the paycheque.
     
  24. wamp_wolf

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    Nonsense, utter nonsense! Its just part of human nature to not give 100% all the time. A player could feel ill, they could be thinking about a move, trying not to get injured, or they could just be so arrogant they think they don't have to give 100% all of the time. Either way, its more than likely that players don't ALWAYS give 100%.

    You think Adam Proudlock always gave 100%?
    You think there was not one single moment when Steve Claridge stoppped putting everything he's got into the Wolves cause?
    You think that Denes Rosa, when he plays away at Stourbridge in he Birmingham Senior cup (or whatever it is) is trying his hardest - really really trying his hardest?!

    Its all very well having a player not giving everything he's got if he's still performing and the team is winning, but if this stops then an honest player with a high work rate will always have more supporters (eg Neil Emblem, Steve Bull, Robbie Keane) but the lazy ones that go hiding are going to get abuse (Mark Kennedy, Keith Andrews).

    You may not like it and you may be able to see the bigger picture at all times in the rational ways that have been posted above, but it may shock you to know that not all people have such restraint. I'm sure half the people who boo regret it later, and half probably don't - but either way they'll probably boo again because some people get too caught up in the emotion of the game and have no other way to express themselves.
     
  25. SaleWolf

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    Dimitar Berbatov at Tottenham - please don't tell me he was giving 100%?! :eek:

    Booing players isn't helpful i agree. However, anyone that does has a right to. I've gone over this argument so many times so i'm not going to start again.

    Also, can't remember who posted the Adrian Durham thing but what an awful, pathetic argument that is.

    Makes you think? Yeah, only to say players are paid to play football, fans pay to watch them. If the players were paying to play rather than being paid then the fans not creating a decent atmosphere for them would mean they could justifiably go over and boo them. However, if the crowd created no noise at all, the fact that they've paid 25 quid plus to go and watch them, is enough support any day of the week.
     
  26. when i saw the highlights on MOTD the first thing i thought of was the Stephen Ward substitution last season when all the sarcastic cheers rang around the croud as he left the pitch
     
  27. Dewsburywolf

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    I did say it was Adrian Durham who I personally think is a complete pillock. The makes you think comment was also his.
     

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